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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 06:59 AM
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Gasoline prices - It's all about ANWR!!!!!
First, you have to grasp just how much the Republicans want to drill in ANWR. It goes back decades. There are sites and articles on the Internets devoted to getting access to the area, with pics supposedly showing oil just sitting on the surface, waiting to be scooped up. These guys are literally drooling over the area, and they have people devoted to the sole purpose of gaining access.

The Repub Congress was finally able to pass a bill to get access to ANWR in the 90's, but Clinton vetoed it (thank you, Bill!).

When Bush-Cheney Co. took office in 2000, they had their "list" of things to accomplish....what anyone else thought about their list, be damned. This aggressive compromise-be-damned list is one reason why Chaffee left the Repub Party. You were either with 'em or agin 'em. On that list was privatization of Social Security. ALSO on the list was ANWR.

Fast forward to the lame duck year of 2008. Rich friends start buying up commodity of crude oil, driving up the price. It's called speculation. It's called manipulation. I predicted they'd start the ANWR drum beat, and sure enough....

The Repub talking points memo went out, and the media has started to be saturated country-wide with tentacles of Repub dogs, all beating the ANWR drum. I got a newsletter a couple of months ago from my Repub Senator Cornyn, stating we must increase oil production at home to combat these dastardly rising gasoline prices! Then Bush hit the ANWR and California Continental Shelf drum beat. Then others jumped on board. Fox is beating the drum, too, of course.

In order for the Repubs to get their oily hands on ANWR, they are counting on weak Dems in Congress unable or unwilling to stop it. THIS MUST NOT HAPPEN!

They are thinking...they'll push thru an ANWR bill, and then have time to lower the gasoline prices in time for the November election.

WE MUST NOT DRILL IN ANWR!!!! The Dems in Congress must stand strong on this!
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:02 AM
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1. Absolutely. It's call EXTORTION and is a crime. The American
people are paying extortion money and being tortured with high prices until the extortionists, the Re-Pubic-Rats, get their way. :dem:
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wallunit Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:03 AM
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2. Gasoline prices - It's all about ANWR!!!!!
WE MUST NOT DRILL IN ANWR!!!!

I agree.

Where is a good place to drill?
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:05 AM
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3. "Where is a good place to drill?"
The Get-Off-Oil-And-Accept-That-Its-Time-for-Alternative-Energy Well


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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:13 AM
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5. Exactamundo! Drilling for more oil is NOT an answer. It only encourages....
more dependence on oil.

It's time to get crackin' on alternative energy. T. Boone Pickens just invested billions (with a "b") in wind energy. My state of TX now supplies 10% of the country's wind power. My electric co. gets part of its energy from the state's windmills.

We SHOULD have forced the auto makers to increase their MPG, but Congress didn't do it. Instead, we let the bozos sell Hummers, for gosh sakes, that get about 5 mpg. Now the auto makers are in financial trouble, and the citizens are stuck with gas guzzlers.

Electric cars that go 80 mph will be hitting our market in a couple of years.

These things collectively are the answer.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:35 AM
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15. There is no shortage just political manipulation.
We are using less. They closed down the petro distillation plants in the US, etc.

Those oil CEOs are crooks.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:30 AM
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27. hummers get 10-12 mpg, and there are plenty of cars just as bad, if not worse on mileage.
nt
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:10 AM
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4. ANWR will not be drilled - Ain't gonna happen anytime soon
The repukes have been trying to get in there more to stick their finger in the eye of the environmental community against ANWR drilling, than to actually get the meager amount of oil available. This is a last gasp from the failed pretzeldency of the little maggot soiling the Oval Office.

When you talk to the oil companies, they look at ANWR as a last resort because they can drill much more easily and cheaper in the deep ocean environments, like the Gulf of Mexico, than in the frozen Arctic.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:15 AM
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6. I hope you're right. But they already are drilling in the Gulf. They want CA's cont. shelf....
I think that the state of CA has to agree to that, though. If that is the case, I don't see that happening.

I hope you're right about ANWR. If there are long lines at gas stations, with people in a panic....I am worried the weak Dems will weaken under pressure to allow drilling in ANWR.

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:19 AM
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7. i just thought they were raising enough money to take over the renewable energy market..
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:19 AM
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8. They want the eastern Gulf of Mexico as well
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 07:21 AM by liberal N proud
Waters just off Florida's west coast is a target of the oil companies for drilling.

Drilling For Oil Off Florida Gulf Coast
by Billy House/Media General News Service
Published: June 10 2008 - 10:11 am Last Updated: June 10 2008 - 10:11 am

WASHINGTON -- As gas prices set another record by going above $4.02 a gallon on Monday, a Pennsylvania congressman planned to ask a House subcommittee this week to allow oil drilling off the Florida Gulf Coast.

“My boss has been proposing this for six years,” noted Patrick Creighton, a spokesman for GOP Rep. John Peterson.

Now, he said, Peterson believes rising American anxiousness over fuel prices will prompt enough support on the panel for his plan to lift the 26-year-old moratoriums on drilling off the East and West Coast and the Florida Gulf Coast.

Specifically, Peterson on Wednesday will ask the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Interior, Environment and Related Issues to amend a spending bill to lift the prohibition on oil exploration in areas between 50 and 200 miles off the coasts.


http://www.wkrg.com/news/article/drilling_for_oil_off_florida_gulf_coast/14704/
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:21 AM
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10. I think they got that after Katrina. FL allowed access, so that it would get
more money from oil production, which it needed after it was hit by hurricanes that year. That's what I recall.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:19 AM
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9. ANWR would just be a temporary fix that would not be
noticed for at least 7 years. Conservation, opening more refineries, and alternative fuels research are the real answers.
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Bosso 63 Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:23 AM
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11. If the moon bat libs would just let us drill that waste land
gas would be to cheap to meter!:sarcasm:
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sshan2525 Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:25 AM
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12. On WJ this morning....
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 07:38 AM by sshan2525
there was some dumb-ass Republican congressman from Michigan spreading this BS. This does seem to be the current meme. Of course it's all Clinton's fault because he didn't open up ANWR for drilling in the 90's and certainly, if he had, we'd all be swimming in cheap oil today. Unbelievable! Why is no one pointing out that currently, there is no supply & demand reason that oil would have doubled in cost in 2 years or even crazier, why it jumped 8% in one day last week. Where is the outrage? We are being fucked over folks. Do you want to know why? It's simple. Because they can and because they know that there will be no price to pay for it. People will bitch and moan but ultimately will just accept it and continue to pay more and more. Apathy and inaction. It's the American way.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:37 AM
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16. The town of Chantilly, VA should be ashamed of themselves
allowing Fascists to meet in a state where democracy was very much a goal of our founding fathers.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:00 AM
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18. I Heard That Idiot
All i can say in my head was "Duh!" What a buffoon. First of all, if there was a Repub prez, and a Repub Congress for 6 years, why didn't THEY do it?
The Professor
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:27 AM
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13. I've been thinking for some time that it's all a preplanned scheme
by big oil to get everything they want before Shrub is gone. They're hoping gas prices will force Congress to allow them to drill anywhere they want.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:33 AM
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14. Just like the last one.
President Charter said we needed to drill so we would not be dependent on foreign oil for a long time.

We built it at great expense. Who controls it? BP who sell it to the highest bidder in Asia. BP, etc.don't even pay their royalities and polute.

No fool this time around either.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:58 AM
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17. Thats public land
lets offer OUR oil to the big oil co. for $100.00/ barrel. Watch em STFU. Why do we give away OUR oil and then have to buy it back?
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Bettie Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:36 AM
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30. And don't forget the most important thing about BP
They don't pay taxes in the US.

As if any of the oil companies actually pay taxes.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:01 AM
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19. It's also about looting
Gotta shovel money into the corporate coffers while they still can.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:03 AM
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20. That's part of it
There are a lot of other places with recoverable petroleum resources besides ANWR.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:04 AM
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21. Repubs talking about drilling to place blame on Dems for price of oil.
Its a distraction method.

The only way out of the mess we are in is to transition into renewables, like sun, wind, geothermal, and ocean power.

Blaming greedy oil companies, drilling, OPEC etc. will land us nowhere because most of the easy oil has been extracted. Its all downhill from here folks.

So if you are not a part of the renewables/conservation solution you are a part of the problem. Stop living in denial people!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:05 AM
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22. The Oil Lobbyists are not gonna let up, esp since the Value has tripled + since 2000
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:10 AM
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23. And even if they started drilling in ANWR today, I bet it would be years before
any oil was extracted. Any oil-wise folks here, correct me if I'm wrong.

GWB SAID that a few days ago. mentioned ANWR, I mean.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:33 AM
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29. 8-10 years are the estimates i've heard...
as far as the time it would take from approval to drill to oil actually flowing.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:13 AM
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24. its all about ANWR and how these thuggish repigs are whining
to do it, which will do NOTHING. Can't we get off our oil addiction and resort to other means of energy, European countries did, and have. What the hell is wrong with us....:wtf:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:14 AM
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25. Always figured the environmental protections refineries have to build matter too
There haven't been refineries built here in a long time. Why? New construction would have to include better protection for the environment and Big Oil doesn't want to spend money on working cleaner.

Have long shouted that Big Business will keep squeezing the US workers until the workers themselves are so hungry THEY will demand Congress remove all the environmental protections in all industries just so they can have some chance at a few remaining shitty jobs. Big Business wants US workers in a Third World kind of desperation so they can do whatever they want to us and our nation.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:26 AM
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26. They could do it but lack the will wanting only the bottom line.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:38 AM
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32. Yes, they only care for hoarding more money
and no amount is enough. They would poison the entire planet and every living thing on it and STILL not have enough coin to fill up the holes in their souls.
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:31 AM
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28. And McLame has been toughting nuclear energy in his speeches as well
It's all about the Benjamins, baby.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:36 AM
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31. Any oil from ANWR goes into the world market and not to the US - so quit saying that.
eom
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:43 AM
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33. At the present time, all the oil produced in Alaska goes to Japan...
It does not come to America. It goes into a big pot called the world market. If they drill in ANWR, why would it be any different??
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