Kucinich on with Randi

[LSK]

http://www.novamradio.com/live/

[bdamomma]

1. listening now.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. So it is NOT DEAD, just on life support for thirty days

ok that is good news

[Freddie Stubbs]

13. What happens after 30 days?

:shrug:

[LSK]

18. He probably reads the whole thing to the House again for 6 hours

[Freddie Stubbs]

20. Reminds of the joke about the british police officer:

"Stop, or I'll say stop again!"

[LSK]

3. He just referred it to Committee

[LSK]

4. if there are no hearings in 30 days,he will come back with it again

[bdamomma]

6. what a bull dog he is, he will bring it back.

right on Dennis.

Dennis will not let it go, pitbull!!!!

[Cleita]

5. Telling Randi that it has not gone to committee to die but will be on hold

for thirty days. :bounce:

[LSparkle]

7. This guy has more SPINE AND GUTS in his small frame than ...

the rest of the House Dems PUT TOGETHER.

I know Obama wants to get elected, but if he wants to REALLY
change D.C., he'll quit siding with the Pelosi contingent and
express in some way (however subtle) that he AGREES with Dennis
on principle on this issue.

[Hart2008]

31. If the Dem's don't act, they will give Nader ammunition to attack them with for being complicit. n/t

[LSparkle]

32. You got it -- not to mention the loss of respect of all of US ...

Obama -- if he is the "real deal" as many of us have
believed -- needs to somehow send a message that he
agrees; otherwise all we're getting is more STATUS
QUO re-packaged.

[Hart2008]

39. Nader will say the Congress was too busy with fund raising to uphold the constitution.

Isn't that part of the objection by the House leadership?

"We don't have time to impeach and do other things..."

Like Andy Rooney would ask, "Why is that?"

[LSparkle]

46. I hope with Obama we have the chance to purge the party

of people like Nancy P. who care more about their
personal power than about doing what they're supposed
to be doing -- PUBLIC SERVICE.

From your screenname, were you hoping for a Gary Hart
campaign this cycle? I have immense respect for that
man and wished he had run in '04 ... I still hold out
hope that there's a place for him in the Obama Admin.

[Hart2008]

61. We all project our hopes on Obama.

It is hard to say what will be now. January 2009 is still a long way off in the future.

Hart was very close to running in 2004. In the end, he decided he couldn't raise the money that he needed to compete. He never liked raising money. He decided to focus on writing more books and working for his think tanks.

The tragedy of it was that I knew Kerry would be saddled with the Massachusetts liberal label and not be able to compete in the South and West.

[newmajority]

8. "I am NOT going to let this go!"

Get those bastards, Dennis!!

[bdamomma]

9. we should be the same way not let it go.

said we should call our Reps and tell them to co sponsor HR 1258. I will be calling mine.

[LSK]

10. HR 1258

[marylanddem]

11. Thanks for the Link! Conyers phone: [phone]

I have called Steny Hoyer (my congressman) & also Conyers. I really think this is going to happen. We can make it happen.

[bdamomma]

14. we have to hit them hard, and say we are not irrelevant.

because they treat us irrelevant they like to bring up our names Americans this and Americans that, but we have draw a line on the hill!! Remember this POS * has a 25% approval rating. I mean what the hell?

[marylanddem]

16. Yep.

[Breeze54]

12. "Call your REP and ask them to support H. R. 1258" ! ~Dennis Kucinich~

Hackers took his site down... they're working on it.

[seemslikeadream]

15. IMPEACH THE WHOLE HOUSE FOR NOT LIVING UP TO THEIR OATH OF OFFICE

WHY ARE YOU NOT DOING YOUR JOB?

[bdamomma]

17. oh, I am angry!!!!!!!!!!!!

[seemslikeadream]

19. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?

This isn't like that little IranContra thing! These idiots is going to start a world war!!

[Freddie Stubbs]

21. Members of the House are not subject to impeachment

[seemslikeadream]

23. JUST GET RID OF THEM I DON'T CARE HOW

RECALL, WHAT EVER

[Freddie Stubbs]

25. Members of the House are not subject to recall either

[seemslikeadream]

26. The individual states can't recall their reps?

[Freddie Stubbs]

29. No, they cannot

[seemslikeadream]

30. I see now that Conyers can and will get rid of Pelosi

That's just fine with me.

[Freddie Stubbs]

54. How will Conyers get rid of Pelosi?

:shrug:

[seemslikeadream]

28. The Constitution does not delegate any power to the Speaker to decide impeachment issues.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3430841&mesg_id=3430841



Refusal To Investigate: Alleged Complicity With War Crimes


The public must support the lawful removal of the Speaker. The GOP and DNC have a vested interest in preventing this. The GOP and DNC are in an illegal rebellion against the Constitution; they are the domestic enemies; and they are disloyal to the Constitution. They are the problem.

Our job must be to stand between the Speaker and the Constitution. The Speaker must be confronted. Otherwise, this tyranny will continue under the guise of freedom.

[Freddie Stubbs]

33. I guess that means that she can't stop Kucinich from impeaching Bush

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

35. But she seems to be stopping Conyers from doing his job, or someone is....

[Freddie Stubbs]

36. How exactly has she stopped Conyers from doing his job?

:shrug:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

37. I read somewhere, perhaps here, that a condition of him becoming Chairman of the Judicial Committee

was that he wouldn't touch Impeachment.

[Freddie Stubbs]

38. And Conyers hasn't had the balls to go to the Caucus and fight her on this?

:shrug:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

40. I don't know. Do you have any idea why a man that introduced his own Impeachment Resolution

when he wasn't Chairman is keeping away from both of Dennis' Impeachment Resolutions?

[Freddie Stubbs]

41. Perhaps because he knows that it is bad politics

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

42. Then to hell with our country because of politics?To hell with the Constitution because of politics?

To hell with all of those who have suffered under the hand of this corrupt administration because of politics?

Screw that.

[Freddie Stubbs]

43. Perhaps he, like a majority in the Democratic controlled House, doesn't believe that

the world will end if Bush is not impeached. Perhaps they would rather beat them in November instead of uniting the Republicans and risk losing to McCain.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

44. If they started a year and half ago, Bush would already be gone. I'm sorry, I don't buy it.

Also it will make McSame look even worse because of his close alliance to Shrub.

[Freddie Stubbs]

45. Or perhaps it would have failed to win a majority vote in the House

Do you remember how most Democrats did not support even debating Kucinich's bill to impeach Cheney?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

49. And that makes me wonder about a lot of their motives. I have a Progressive Congressman

who will not support Impeachment. I sent him a pocket Constitution. I know he's on Karl Rove's hit list (revealed at the Doann hearing) and I believe he has gone to Rahm Emmanuel for "protection".

[tsuki]

66. Makes me wonder what is on Bush's illegal wire-tappings. nt

[FlaGranny]

51. Have you thought about

the precedent this is setting? Is the next president or the one after that or any president from now on going to feel free to do the same as Bush - because Congress has set a precedent that these crimes are not worth pursuing in an impeachment trial? If so, then from now on, the U.S. is going to look more and more like a dictatorship.

[bdamomma]

47. maybe Pelosi has threatened Conyers to take away his

chairmanship if he introduces impeachment, there are alot of things flying below the radar, who says Pelosi doesn't have skeletons in her closet??? makes you wonder huh??

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

48. All I know is that with her actions, I have no trust in her at all.

[bdamomma]

52. we can all speculate but something is definitely going on with

her, with all this evidence and articles of impeachment and a president with 25% approval rating, how can we get to the bottom of this. This stinks can't you smell it too?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

53. It reeks. I get sick to my stomach when I see her playing nice nice with Shrub when she should be

shunning him.

[bdamomma]

55. Steny is involved too.

[Freddie Stubbs]

56. You can prove that?

:shrug:

[Freddie Stubbs]

59. Mature people are able to be civil to those with whom they disagree

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

60. So you would be politely civil to Ted Bundy? Charles Manson?

Stalin? I cannot be polite with a mass murderer, thank you very much.

George W. Bush is a criminal and has to be brought to justice.

[Freddie Stubbs]

58. She doesn't need to earn your trust. Only the trust of the Democrats in the House

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

63. Which leads me to mistrust their motives. There is a criminal in the oval office. Why don't they

care???

[Freddie Stubbs]

64. Perhaps they feel that the best strategy is focus on the November election rather than

something which may unite the Republicans and turn off swing voters.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

65. That is such BS. If the Congress Impeached and it went to trial, the media would finally have

to report on the high crimes and misdemeanors. Once the Watergate hearings started, Nixon was out in three months.

It will not hurt them at all.

On edit... Nixon's approval ratings before Watergate were far higher than Shrub's are now.

[Freddie Stubbs]

50. She cannot do that. Only a vote by the full House can remove him as Chairman

If you recall, LA Congressman William Jefferson (the guy with $90,000 in his freezer) was stripped his membership of the Way and Means Committee by a vote of the House.

Pelosi's can only get rid of Conyers if a majority in the House wants to get rid of him. I suppose that is possible if a majority in the House opposes impeachment.

[slipslidingaway]

22. K&R thanks n/t

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

24. Kucinich's stand reminds me of Con. John Quincy Adams

who, after his term as President, represented a district of MA in the House. At the time, slavery was a hot button issue and the House made a rule forbidding anyone to discuss slavery or to bring petitions about slavery before the House. For YEARS, Adams brought petitions before the House--even ones by slaves saying they liked slavery (this brought to him by Southerners who wanted to know if he was really arguing the First Amendment or was a secret Abolitionist). It took years, but eventually the House realized Adams was right. He is known as "Old Man Eloquent" because of this stand. BTW, he died in the Capitol--as one person said at the time, "Where would God find him except at the post of duty?"

I think old John Q. is smiling kindly on Dennis Kucinich.

[Freddie Stubbs]

34. Does that mean that Bush will be impeached 15 years after Kucinich dies?

:shrug:

[geomon666]

27. So is she calling him a fraud and attention whore like some of the fine folks on here do?

Just wondering.

[BlooInBloo]

57. heh - did you try the title without the "with", the first time?

:rofl:

[LSK]

62. Perv

:D