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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:48 PM
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Question can Pelosi be removed from her Speaker of House
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 09:42 PM by lovuian
how many votes would it take to get her out of Speaker Position
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:51 PM
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1. I don't know but it seems that she will have to recuse herself from the impeachment hearings
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 08:52 PM by seemslikeadream
because she was in on the briefings, then Conyers, who was NOT briefed will be able to move foward. And I believe it will, I think Philippe Sands testimony got to some of the folks on the Hill


I'm listening to Dennis right now and he seems very confident this is gonna happen
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:53 PM
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3. Well she is becoming an embarassment to the party
She is suppose to be supportive to her party
Not threatening Conyers and Kucinich
She has made a grave mistake taking Impeachment off the table

Its pretty sad when the Democrats chief is protecting Bush's butt

HowarD Dean needs to address this to her as well as OBAMA

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:02 PM
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10. She has NO authority to take impeachment off the table
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:08 PM
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17. especially when the majority voted for it
she is going against her own majority

Why would she jeopardize herself like this???

for BUSH who has a 80% disapproval rating
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:11 PM
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20. One interpretation has been that she was warned that should impeachment go forward ...
neither the general election nor Congress would be allowed to. But with Dubya/Cheney now held in such low regard, would such a threat still be credible?
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:14 PM
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24. that threat needs to come out openly to all America not
closed doors

if thats the threat then she needs to tell America what bush & cheney said
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:14 PM
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25. because she was briefed on the torture, she's complict
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:17 PM
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29. Bingo she is saving her butt and there fore she needs to be
removed from Speaker of the House
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:27 PM
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37. she is covering up something, why protect these SOB's
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:15 PM
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27. She's obviously prejudiced
She must recuse herself and allow the investigations to proceed.

We're NOT talking actual impeachment here, merely investigations.

If there's NOTHING THERE, then she can at least claim to be impartial.

Blocking an investigation should be seen as a cover-up.

Period.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:18 PM
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32. Obstructive of Justice and Conspiracy and Kucinich is
building that case it looks like

She isn't even allowing investigations
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:53 PM
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2. She is a traitor to this country
AND needs to be removed from office.
Vote her out California in the coming election
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:55 PM
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4. Her party needs to remove her because she is not reflecting
the Democrat Party of which that is what she is suppose to do

her Democrat colleagues voted her in she can be removed

Is she looking at Impeachment here of herself
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:06 PM
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16. oh?
you think that's going to happen?

She just won her primary by an enormous amount. She's not getting voted out in Nov.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:09 PM
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18. No her constituents didn't vote for her to be Speaker
the democratic Caucus did thats what I'm asking can they vote her out at any time if she is not doing her job
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:18 PM
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31. There's no reason to think the Democratic caucus
as a whole wants to impeach.

Most of them can count.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:20 PM
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34. But all of the Caucus has showed Pelosi they want Impeachment
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 09:21 PM by lovuian
if she doesn't do what the caucus says all those who voted for the investigation COULD vote her out as Speaker theres a Big reason for the Caucus to vote her out and Kucinich showed he has lots of votes
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:38 PM
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41. Easily confused . . .. . . . . .
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:28 PM
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38. vote her out.
she knows alot more than what she is saying.
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:56 PM
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5. I'm hoping and praying that in the new Congress next year that both Pelosi and Reid will be replaced
with effectual party leaders.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:01 PM
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9. Isn't the Speaker elected by the Democrats to be in position
if the majority votes against her for her blocking impeachment which is going against the constitution

I mean Kucinich has the votes right to knock her out
who would be the new Speaker
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:57 PM
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6. Obama opposes impeachment
we need to remove him as our nominee now!!!!

Feingold opposes impeachment! We need to remove him NOW!

Howard Dean doesn't support impeachment! We have to remove him NOW!!!!!!!



You people are insane.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 08:59 PM
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7.  nice cover up, Nancy
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 09:00 PM by G_j
you are part of it
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:01 PM
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8. The Democratic Caucus would have to vote her out
If there were any threat of that, she'd would have helped in writing the articles Mr. Kucinich introduced.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:03 PM
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12. If the democratic caucus votes her out who calls for the vote
to take place???? can it happen at anytime if the Speaker is found violating the constitution of Unites States
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:15 PM
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26. Sorry. See number 23. That one's for you, Louvian.
!!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:03 PM
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13. So how do we the people present the threat? n/t
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:10 PM
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19. We don't, at least not directly
Most states have already held their primaries. The only way you can really express your dissatisfaction now is voting for another candidate or staying home, which means letting the Republicans win the seat. That would be sacrificing your principles for your principles.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:12 PM
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21. I will vote for the Democratic candidate but I
feel like I'm in a time loop dating back to when we elected Bill Clinton.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:12 PM
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22. But its her position as Speaker that is in question
can she be removed by the Democratic Caucus which all of them voted for Impeachment referendum
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:18 PM
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30. What they did today is refer the matter to the Judiciary Committee
No further action will be taken on it.

The ball is in Conyers' court.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:14 PM
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23. I'm not sure under what rules party caucuses operate
That is in all likelihood a moot point. I'll give better chances of Bush and Cheney actually being impeached and removed before the Democratic Caucus votes out the Speaker mid-term.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:16 PM
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28. But its possible jack its possible the caucus could vote her out
mid term or no they did it to Gephardt if I remember

there has to be a check and balance for a corrupt Speaker
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:24 PM
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36. No, they didn't do it to Gephardt
While it's possible, I don't think they'll do it to Ms. Pelosi. As Leader of the House Democrats, she was able to engineer their 2006 electoral victory and it looks like her strategy is going to get them a boatlaod more seats this November, even if it completely failed to end the war or protect us from Bush and Cheney's lawlessness.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:30 PM
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39. Its Possible Thanks Jack thats all I was looking for
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 09:32 PM by lovuian
the Democratic Caucus CAN vote her out of her Speaker position at anytime with a majority vote

if Kucinich has that majority vote Pelosi could be ousted from her position

by the way didn't they vote out Gephardt as Majority Leader
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:02 PM
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11. I'm wondering the same thing.
We were unhappy with her when she was the minority leader but gave her a pass considering the toxic environment then, but I was surprised when she got the majority. Just how does she get this power? How do we give it to someone else more along what the Democratic Party is about or should be about, preservation of our country and Constitution.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:05 PM
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15. She is not reflecting the Democratic Party is SHE
Howard Dean are you in favor of Impeachment??? Evidentally over 200 congressman the majority feel Impeachment should proceed
Is Kucinich setting her up for a BIG FALL
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:05 PM
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14. Reid, too
I worry they're both corrupt.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:18 PM
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33. Only the House can do that, not...
pissed off posters on internet boards.

Posters who should, before shooting their mouths off, know something about what the Speaker's office is all about and how Pelosi compares to past Speakers.

Name at least one past Democratic Speaker and describe how he was so successful fighting a Republican President.

For extra credit-- name a Republican Speaker and describe how he fared against a Democratic president.

Then get back to us and describe exactly how Pelosi can do what you want just because you want it.

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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:23 PM
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35. The House can do it does that mean Republicans vote for the
Speaker of the House I thought the Speaker reflected the democratic Caucus

and I believe Gephardt was removed for a similiar reason
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:35 PM
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40. Didn't Gephardt just become Minority leader
when the Dems lost the House?
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:41 PM
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42. I know he stepped down as Minority Leader but he wasn't
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Gephardt
voted out so I stand corrected he didn't run for reelection
Pelosi replaced him as Minority Leader at the time
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:47 PM
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43. Gephardt never had a chance, since...
both parties vote as a block and that year Republicans outnumbered Democrats. Besides, one asshole Democrat voted for Hastert and another voted for Murtha. Even without the two assholes, though, everyone knew how it was going to turn out.

Actually, there is no requirement for the Speaker to even be a House member, although no one's bothered to test that theory. What usually happens is that each party nominates its House leader and the whole house votes. The party with the majority of members wins, of course.

So, Gephardt wasn't "removed." He was never elected to the job.

I can't think of when a Speaker was voted out of office, but it probably happened some time. (should check on Gingrich's fate...)






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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 09:49 PM
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44. She can be impeached. Steny too if he continues to obstruct.
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 09:49 PM by Wizard777
They should want to be more.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 10:07 PM
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45. A majority of the House (218) would need to vote to declare the office of Speaker vacant
If 19 Democrats were to join with all of the Republicans they could depose her. A new election for Speaker would then immediately be held.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 10:35 PM
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46. Thank you for answering my question
So a simple Majority could declare the office of Speaker vacant

and we saw the Majority on the vote for Impeachment

So it is possible

Thanks maybe thats what kucinich is up to with others
She's hanging herself for Bush????
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 10:45 PM
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47. The majority voted to send it to the Judiciary Committee
That is the same committee to which the Cheney impeachment bill was sent. The same committee which hasn't held one single hearing on the Cheney impeachment bill.

This one was sent to the Judiciary Committee for the same reason. That is what the majority wants.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 10:52 PM
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48. it would take a majority of the Democrats in the House
ain't gonna happen, though
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