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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:09 PM
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Scalia: Court’s Decision Restoring Habeas ‘Will Almost Certainly Cause More Americans To Be Killed’
Edited on Thu Jun-12-08 02:11 PM by babylonsister
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/12/scalia-courts-decision-restoring-habeas-will-almost-certainly-cause-more-americans-to-be-killed/


Scalia: Court’s Decision Restoring Habeas ‘Will Almost Certainly Cause More Americans To Be Killed’»


In a landmark decision today, the Supreme Court ruled that habeas corpus protections apply to detainees held at Guantanamo Bay. “We hold these petitioners do have the habeas corpus privilege,” wrote Justice Anthony Kennedy in the majority opinion. The decision was a “a stunning blow to the Bush Administration in its war-on-terrorism policies,” SCOTUS Blog noted.

Conservative Justice Antonin Scalia, however, is outraged. In his dissenting opinion, he devoted an entire section to “a description of the disastrous consequences of what the Court has done today,” a procedure “contrary to my usual practice,” he admitted. Scalia adopted extreme rhetoric about the impacts of the decision, calling it a “self-invited…incursion into military affairs” that would “almost certainly” kill Americans. Some lowlights:

– “America is at war with radical Islamists. … Our Armed Forces are now in the field against the enemy, in Afghanistan and Iraq.”

– “The game of bait-and-switch that today’s opinion plays upon the Nation’s Commander in Chief will make the war harder on us. It will almost certainly cause more Americans to be killed.”

– “Today the Court warps our Constitution.”

“The Nation will live to regret what the Court has done today.”

It is unlikely that the Supreme Court’s decision will have the impacts that Scalia claims. As Kennedy explained, “Liberty and security can be reconciled; and in our system they are reconciled within the framework of the law.” Discussing the restoration of habeas at Guantanamo last year, Colin Powell noted:

The concern was, well, then they’ll have access to lawyers, then they’ll have access to writs of habeas corpus. So what? Let them. Isn’t that what our system’s all about? And by the way, America, unfortunately, has too many people in jail, all of whom had lawyers and access to writs of habeas corpus. And so we can handle bad people in our system.


But as a cheerleader for the administration’s terrorism policies, Scalia’s rhetoric isn’t surprising. It is “absurd” to say that you “can’t stick something under the fingernails,” or “smack {a detainee} in the face,” he said in February. “No. To the contrary,” Scalia said when asked whether torture violates the “cruel and unusual punishment” clause.

Update: Brian Tamanaha at Balkinization calls Scalia's dissent "an instant classic of the worst order: fear-mongering."
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That Is Quite Enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:12 PM
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1. Hey, Scalia, you pile of yeast shit...
Take your authoritarian fear-mongering elsewhere.

Harsh words, but I absolutely *loathe* this man.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:26 PM
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23. Why do you hate yeast?
:)
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That Is Quite Enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:37 PM
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27. Actually, some of my best friends are yeast.
:beer:
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:44 PM
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38. Folderol! Yeast pee is our friend!
:beer:!
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:12 PM
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2. so much for the "strict constructionism" bullshit
Edited on Thu Jun-12-08 02:14 PM by enki23
not only is the constitution not alive for the fat fuck, he's also appears to be in favor of its cremation.
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:12 PM
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3. Can this piece of shit be impeached?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 03:15 PM
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46. YES (with an exclamation point!!!)
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:13 PM
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4. lot's of people died defending the constitution, yer honor
the very thing you disrespect
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:13 PM
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5. Can you say, "Activist judge"???
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:13 PM
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6. Then let us head rapidly toward the ultimate solution
as offered by conservatives. Let us do away with the constitution so that all will live happily ever after in scalialand.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:14 PM
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7. Up yours Scalia
you rogue.

Can this scoundrel be impeached?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:17 PM
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11. "Conservative Justice Antonin Scalia,"
Scalia is a RWing Fascist, Opus Dei, Asshole.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:40 PM
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32. Time for the clean up
Lock up all these scoundrels.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:14 PM
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8. The nation has lived to regret the day
. . . Scalia was confirmed.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:15 PM
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9. I wish Fat Tony would keel over from some serious medical
condition. And regardless of what anyone thinks, I am not afraid to say that I wouldn't be a bit sad if he met Satan up front and personal like. I'm sure that there's a whole wing in Hell reserved for the bush** administration and all its peripheral thugs.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:19 PM
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13. maybe him and dick will go duck shooting.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:40 PM
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33. Shitheels like him always live to be 90.
Only the good die young. I know it's true. I heard it once in a song.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 05:26 PM
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56. ain't that the truth, ruth!
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:16 PM
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10. if they are such a fucking threat, it should be very hard to charge them with something
:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:18 PM
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12. another criminal of the BCF
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Bok_Tukalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:20 PM
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14. That is not the Court's juristiction
Decide the Constitutionality of the actions and laws and let the Executive and Legislative Branches worry about Defense.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:20 PM
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15. Isn't Scalia a smoker?
I imagine him dying a very protracted and very painful death from lung cancer... oddly the thought doesn't perturb me in the least.

Were cancer to strike I think I might express my sympathy by sending him a box of cigars.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:42 PM
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36. It wouldn't matter.
He and Crooked Dick Cheney use the same doctors. This would indicate that both are actually cyborgs and will never die but will only wear out when they can no longer obtain spare parts.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:22 PM
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16. Yes all those suicide terrorists who were going to attack us but didn't because no Habeas Corpus
will now feel free to do so.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:22 PM
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17. “The Nation will live to regret what the Court has done today.” = YOU'LL PAY FOR THIS
AND YOUR LITTLE DOG, TOO
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:23 PM
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18. Evil dick
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:24 PM
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19. 2000 years from now some extremist will kill someone, and
scalia will sit up in his grave and say "See I told you so".
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 03:53 PM
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50. Just the thought of that....
:rofl:
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:24 PM
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20. What an asshole
I doubt even Rehnquist would so obviously spout Bush talking points.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:25 PM
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21. WTF - did Dick Cheney write that script for him?
Has there ever been a more blatantly partisan justice on the Supreme Court?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:26 PM
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22. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:31 PM
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24. What an odd view
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:33 PM
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25. From someone with a really low post count n/t
n/t
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 03:54 PM
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51. looks like he went bye-bye.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 05:20 PM
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55. Cool
I usually miss them before they get deleted and have to wonder about what I missed.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:33 PM
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26. Are you okay without habeas corpus for Americans? Do you
even know what that means? And you're condoning cutting heads off? You sound confused; did you lose your way?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:43 PM
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37. Getting fat on us? What?
Do you think they are living some sort of life of luxury down there?
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 03:00 PM
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41. Right.
It's important that you believe that. :eyes:
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 03:05 PM
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42. "Not in the best interests of the American citizen"
Edited on Thu Jun-12-08 03:11 PM by atreides1
And some would say the same thing about voting rights for women and people of color, the banning of slavery, interacial marriages, child labor laws, not being in the best interests of Americans either, but fortunately more intelligent and tolerant people decided that they were in the best interests of the American citizen, instead of people like you!

As for not taking prisoners, I don't think violation of the Geneva Conventions is something that the US military is going to start doing on a common basis. Because they know if they start doing it that eventually it will happen to them, and they'll also have to start killing women and children to silence any witnesses.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 03:31 PM
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47. Because god knows how terrible court trials are. NT
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:38 PM
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28. Up where?
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:38 PM
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29. This is precisely why John McCain MUST be defeated!
The Reich Wing's wet dream is to have a SCOTUS full of Tony Scalias. McCain will ensure that our nation will reflect the values of Scalia for a century.

THIS.CAN.NOT.HAPPEN.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:41 PM
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35. Totally agree - McCain will put more RWers
on the Supreme Court; we cannot allow that to happen!
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:39 PM
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30. If I thought that Scalia cared that Americans would die, I might be
concerned.

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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:39 PM
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31. Life appointment: uugggh!
cant stand this guy. we need to build him a time machine so he can go back to Nazi Germany and be with his own kind.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:41 PM
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34. “The Nation will live to regret what the Court has done today.” - sounds like a THREAT
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ProgressiveFool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 03:32 PM
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48. The nation might live to regret it, but he's doing his best to make sure the Constitution doesn't /n
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:45 PM
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39. As if nobody gets killed in Iraq
Edited on Thu Jun-12-08 02:45 PM by treestar
And as if terrorists read the opinions of the SCOTUS, let alone analyze them to find out they "won."

As if being Islamic is enough to imprison someone and there can be no other dangers ever.

He is a total ass. He hates America more than any radical fundamentalist, Christian OR Muslim.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 02:45 PM
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40. Yea maybe but at least it won't be in YOUR concentration camps
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 03:12 PM
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43. Countless Americans are being killed/dying daily by the rulings handed down by the likes of
neo-fascists of this Supreme's political persuasion, imo, but of course, I might be wrong. :D
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 03:14 PM
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44. The thought of people losing their lives to protect the Constitution is anathema to Fat Tony.
Edited on Thu Jun-12-08 03:15 PM by jgraz
When that roving wad of cholesterol finally pops his flabby, worthless heart, I'm having a fucking party.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 03:15 PM
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45. He could be right, ya know.
Maybe the real translation is: "They weren't America-hating terrorists when we threw them into Gitmo and left them to rot...but they are now."
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:17 PM
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57. The actually used that on the evening news tonight.
Simply stated that several former prisoners of the U.S. military have "gone on to commit successful suicide attacks." Well, DUH!!! Who wouldn't? Of course they weren't going to go down that road - easy enough to parse the conversation to "Terra! Terra! Terra!" and make the sheeple wonder if there aren't too many "libruls" on the SC. BTW, since when is defending the Constitution a "Liberal" position?

Not only am I ecstatic about the ruling, I'm also very happy that the gang of four dissented and proved, beyond any doubt, that they are enemies of the Constitution, the American people and the world community.

Hopefully, it's not "just us" that gets it.
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NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 03:38 PM
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49. Scalia the Soothsayer
Edited on Thu Jun-12-08 03:38 PM by NoGOPZone
He won't be any better at prediciting 'consequences' than he is at writing worthy legal opinions.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 03:57 PM
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52. I guess I'm plain stupid! What's this bait n' switch thingie? And, how does
it play out to kill more of our soldiers? Really...I don't understand the 'logic' of scalia's. Help.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 04:08 PM
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53. Well, if one of them is Fat Tony, I can live with that.
Small price, and mean a VERY SMALL PRICE to pay to live up to the words of Ben Franklin.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 04:32 PM
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54. Maybe we're willing to take that chance for liberty.
The fact that guns are legal will almost certainly cause Americans to be killed. You can say the same about a whole lot of other rights we have. Real Americans are not afraid to stand on the side of liberty, even if it is more risky.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-12-08 11:27 PM
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58. Politics from the Bench. How about just dealing with the law you piece of horseshit
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