Do you agree with John McCain when he says.....

[Postman]

Its not important when American soldiers are coming home from Iraq. What IS important is whether there are American casualties....

In other words, John McCain believes the American people don't mind soldiers being in Iraq as long as they aren't getting killed.

Ergo, as long as the ones getting killed are Iraqi's, it's okay to be in Iraq?

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. That comment ties in with his definition

of "success" in Iraq. He claims it's "when there are no more casualties."

Is he nuts or stupid? Or both?

[Vincardog]

2. NO the Illegal occupation is not good for anyone except Darth Cheney

His is a mighty convenient position.
On on hand we have to occupy Iraq until we have no more casualties
On the other hand we can stay forever when we have no casualties

If we are taking casualties we have to stay until we are not taking them
If we are NOT taking casualties we have to stay BECAUSE we are not taking them

Our military are fucked either way

[spanone]

3. let's ask the soldiers

[Postman]

5. You might be surprised at some answers you would get....

the first people you have to convince of your lies are the ones who will actually be doing the killing and dying.

[Mountainman]

4. If you would have told me when I was in Vietnam that it doesn't matter when

I'm going to come home I would have thought that you didn't give a shit about me or my life. Saying that to someone who has served a couple of tours in Iraq is 10 times worse than having said it to me!

It proves to me that McCain doesn't intend to ever leave Iraq to the Iraqis. Imagine some country keeping troops in our country for an indefinite period? Can you?

[Postman]

10. I gotta wonder if people like McCain believe there own statements.

Do they really believe they are fighting a war of survival, trying to defeat something called "islamofascsism" intent on destroying the US, or is it a quick throw away line to their gullible, scared of their own shadow base of support?

[BOSSHOG]

6. NO

I fail to accept the concept of never ending war and occupation. As a veteran I am severely repulsed by such sentiments, especially since our kids are in Iraq based on the lies of a criminal.

On a happier note my friend, I am strongly resisting the temptation to figure out what the Phillies magic number is!!!

[Postman]

14. Magic number?

They just dropped their 2nd to the Marlins last night.

WTF?

I don't think the Florida Marlins understand that they are the Florida Marlins :)

[SteelPenguin]

7. I think he's right

If Baghdad was completely safe, where troops could walk around in civies day or night, bumping with clubs, girls, booze, movie theaters, coffee shops, etc, catering to both arabs, as well as the american guests, would it be different?

What if Baghdad were considered an amazing posting, where it was safe, and fun?

Where troops with a weekend leave, took a train or bus up to the mountains in the north and went skiing, or down to the gulf to go on deep sea fishing trips....

Would people mind American's being there if that were the case?

Of course they wouldn't mind.

The problem is that little dream will never occur, particularly as long as the American's are there. You can't have your cake and eat it to John. Sure it'd be nice, but it just can't happen.

[LSK]

9. in that case, WHHYYYYY would our troops be there??????

[SteelPenguin]

11. For vacation?

I don't know what goes on in McCain's little dream world.

[treestar]

19. Maybe he is thinking along the lines of Germany or South Korea

But that sure doesn't apply to Iraq.

The RW is forever claiming "this war on terror is different" but when it suits their purposes, it is alleged to be an old fashioned type of war. This is where they take their concepts of "winning" and eternal occupation. They like to pretend it is the 19th or early 20th century and that a war on a weapon (terrorism) can be "won" the same way the British army could be captured in the revolution or the Confederate in the Civil War, or a defeat in the way Germany was defeated in the World Wars, or Japan, can be made against "terrorism."

[Postman]

15. I agree with your assessment.

It wasn't supposed to be like this. (i.e., disaster)

It was supposed to be a quick, overwhelming and glorious victory and conversion of Iraq.

Iraq wasn't the 1st time a country was invaded and occupied without provocation. George H.W. Bush invaded Panama in 1989. No provocation by Panama. The US military invaded, killed civilians, put down the threat posed by Manuel Noriega, and then left after "order" was restored.

Apparently Iraqi's don't go for the occupation thing and are putting up a stiffer resistance than the Panamanians did.

[Johonny]

16. at what price and how many

Sure America has other bases around the world, but what's the relative cost. The current force in Iraq pretty much represents the total functional fighting force of the US. Would I feel comfortable spending 200-500 billion a year to keep our entire fighting force in Iraq for 100 years... no. It's pretty clear the stability he implies also implies a draw down of significant amount of troops. They're linked and to talk about them as if they're separate issues is disingenuous.

[LSK]

8. FUCK NO FUCK NO FUCK NO!!!

THERE IS NO FUCKING REASON TO BE THERE.

DO THE FAMILIES OF 150,000 SOLDIERS THINK ITS NOT IMPORTANT WHEN THEY LEAVE?

HOW ABOUT THE 25 MILLION IRAQIS LIVING UNDER TERROR OF A FORCED OCCUPATION?

HOW ABOUT THE SOLDIERS WHO ARE STUCK IN A COUNTRY THAT HATES THEM WHERE THEY DONT KNOW WHEN THE NEXT CARBOMB WILL KILL THEM!!!

HOW ABOUT FLOODED STATES LIKE IOWA THAT CAN USE THEIR NATIONAL GUARD RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!

FUCK YOU MCFOOL!!! GOT TO HELL YOU SON OF A BITCH!!

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

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[givemebackmycountry]

12. I don't agree with John McCain when he breathes....

He says it's just like having troops on the line in Korea.
Except last time I looked North Koreans were not running across the DMZ with explosives strapped to their bodies.

McCain is a deranged right wing ideologue.

[NNN0LHI]

13. Its a false premise to begin with

Iraqis will be killing Americans as long as they are there. Bush and his phony generals can keep our guys huddled up on base and call off his death squads to get the numbers down temporarily.

Don

[gratuitous]

17. If you disagree with McCain today, just wait

He'll say the exact opposite thing tomorrow, because he's a Straight-Talkin' Maverick.

[Jack Rabbit]

18. No, I don't agree with him

The war in Iraq is a resource war, an act of imperialism, and had nothing to do with terrorism or national security.

American troops should be withdrawn as quickly as they were sent in to fight an illegal war of aggression. Those who planned and executed the war should be tried for war crimes, preferably in federal court or, if the US government is unable or willing to make a good-faith effort to prosecute the likes of Bush, Cheney, et al., before an international tribunal.