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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:09 AM
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McNasty believes his superstitious "lucky" things saved him in TWO plane crashes
Uh, shouldn't the luck have been NOT crashing at all?!1 Or mighten some sweat, instead of luck, kept him out of FOURTH FROM THE BOTTOM of his class?!1



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http://www.nypost.com/seven/06132008/gossip/cindy/friday_the_13th_lucky_for_some_115275.htm?page=0

FRIDAY THE 13TH LUCKY FOR SOME


How McCain's warding off today's evil Democratic spirits, I don't know. I only know journalists who've covered him report he harbored a lucky compass, lucky feather, lucky penny, lucky rock, wore his magical L.L. Bean rubber-soled dress shoes (rubber-soled dress shoes?!) and an aide always carried his medium-blue Rollerball lucky pen. South Carolina primary day he ate his lucky barbecue food, even invoked a talismanic wiggling of an aide's right pinkie finger because he's convinced that once pushed Texas A&M over Nebraska in a football game. McCain calls his superstitions "an aviator's thing" that helped him survive two airplane crashes. God knows what he'll try wiggling in November.

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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:29 AM
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1. Well, I have a "lucky bra", so I fully understand this.
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:32 AM
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2. did we not have enough of this BS with Nancy Reagan?
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:33 AM
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3. Just what I want flying my airplane.
A pilot who trusts his rabbit's foot more than his skills.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 01:06 PM
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10. 5 crashed planes? He doesn't have any skill to trust.
He should carry the whole rabbit.
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:18 AM
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4. Anyone who believes that shoes, compasses, feathers,
rocks, pens, or pennies have actual causal power over the machinations of life does not in any way, shape, or form posess the mental
wherewithal to qualify for the Nation's highest office.

--
I ain't superstitious,
When a black cat crosses my path.
And, I ain't superstitious,
As I break the looking glass.
Ain't afraid of no demons,
Don't make me laugh!
I ain't superstitious,
Under the ladder I go.
I ain't superstitious,
It's all bullshit, don't you know!
Ain't afraid of the shadows,
I like the dark anyway, and that's a fact!

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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:19 AM
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5. Pilots and baseball players are the most superstitious folks I've met.
Hell, I bet ol' McSame hasn't changed his underpants since securing the nomination.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:25 AM
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6. I wonder what number of crashes is average for Navy pilots?
Didn't McCain crash 4 planes during his career? Think how many he would have crashed if he hadn't spent 9 years as a POW.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:54 AM
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7. He was a prisoner in North Vietnam for 5 1/2 years
He crashed three aircraft, had one blown up on the Forrestal, and was shot down by NV sams.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:51 AM
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8. I've seen the reference to the Forrestal incident several times...
but haven't seen a link to any information I thought was credible.

However, if what I've heard even approaches the truth of the matter, then I would also suspect that the U.S. military, not the North Vietnamese, were the ones who kept McInsane out of circulation for 5 1/2 years, for the protection of our own troops and ships.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 12:42 PM
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9. We have a WINNER name for him: WetStart McNASTY!1
Edited on Fri Jun-13-08 12:55 PM by UTUSN
What links do you find not credible? Here is a Google Search. I just skimmed links off the top. Some links have gossipy or rumor type names, but I'm sure an exhaustive review would result in links that would satisfy the most fastidious.


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Google Search on "McCain Forrestal": http://www.google.com/search?q=McCain+Forrestal&sourcei...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_USS_Forrestal_fire

The rocket flew across the flight deck, striking a wing-mounted external fuel tank on an A-4 Skyhawk, either Aircraft No. 405 piloted by LCDR Fred D. White<1> or No. 416 piloted by future Arizona Senator, LCDR John McCain,<4> which were waiting to launch.<3> The warhead's safety mechanism prevented it from detonating, but the impact tore the tank off the wing and ignited the resulting spray of pressurized fuel, causing an instantaneous conflagration. The heat caused additional fuel tanks to overheat, rupture and spew volatile jet fuel onto the deck, feeding the flames. Huge gusts of fire shot into the air along the flight deck, trapping pilots in their aircraft with no recourse but to escape through the flames or be incinerated in their cockpits. LCDR Fred D. White, waiting to launch in Aircraft No. 405, leaped out of his burning Skyhawk in an attempt to escape the inferno, but was killed instantly (along with many firefighters) by the cooking off of the first bomb. LCDR Herbert A. Hope of VA-46 (and operations officer of CVW-17) jumped out of the cockpit of his Skyhawk between explosions, rolled off the flight deck and into the starboard man-overboard net. Making his way down below to the hangar deck, he took command of a firefighting team. "The port quarter of the flight deck where I was" he recalled, "is no longer there."<3> With his aircraft surrounded by flames, McCain escaped by climbing out of the cockpit, walking down the nose and jumping off the refueling probe.


http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message503422/...

The claim has been made:

"Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4. 'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.

"134 sailors were killed on the USS Forrestal in 1967.

It is believed by many crewmen and investigators that John McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E to shake up the guy in the plane behind his A-4. 'Wet-starts' shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.

In McCain's case, the 'wet-start' apparently 'cooked off' and launched the Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that touched off the explosions."



http://tekgnosis.typepad.com/tekgnosis/2008/02/john-mcc...

Incompetence Or A Stunt


'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft. 'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog' pilots.

Zuni Rockets Were Volatile Design


In McCain's case, the 'wet-start' 'cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk's fueltank, knocked the M-65 1000 lb bomb off it's 500 lb rated mount, and touched off the explosions and massive fire.

McCain Was Shufled Out In A Hurry


The F-4 pilot was reportedly killed in the conflagration, along with 167 of his fellow Forrestal shipmates. McCain was quickly (they were still counting the Forrestal dead) transferred to the USS Oriskany (the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred).

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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:24 PM
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12. Thank you. I was looking for the validation... non-believers in the family and all.
Everyone I served with, everyone who's ever been in the USN and everyone with a vote needs to know this. Why isn't this common knowledge? I don't have a problem if we're waiting until after the convention, but DAYUM, "Senior Wetstart for President" just doesn't cut it for me. He shouldn't be the dogcatcher back home.

I learned about the "USS Zippo" in the early 80's (as did/does everyone in the Navy) and instantly learned a deep and unabiding hatred for whomever started the chain reaction that led to those deaths, the destruction of all those planes and the damage to the ship. To know that it was not a mistake, but the result of the cockiness of an incompetent "maverick" is all the more painful. A lot of people lost their sons and husbands in that disaster, and I relate to that.

McCain for Resident? With that record, we can count on a nuclear incident on U.S. soil if he's sElected - It'll be one of our own... by accident.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:48 PM
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15. God save us
:wow:

Hekate

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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 02:10 PM
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11. If he's so lucky, how come he didn't win the nomination in 2000? n/t
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:28 PM
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13. You'd think a guy who spent five years in a POW camp wouldn't think he's lucky
What a moron! If only he'd had his lucky penny BEFORE Vietnam!!

This is reason enough to disqualify him from being president.

"We have to return to the White House! The president can't find his lucky feather!!"
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:41 PM
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14. Crashy McCrash is bad luck for airplanes.


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