Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Mukasey: "Fuck SCOTUS!! We don't agree. The Military Trials will continue!!"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 12:35 PM
Original message
Mukasey: "Fuck SCOTUS!! We don't agree. The Military Trials will continue!!"
Mukasey: Detainee ruling won't stop terror trials

Attorney general criticizes Supreme Court's Guantanamo ruling, says won't halt military trials

MARK SHERMAN
AP News

Jun 13, 2008 07:54 EST

The Supreme Court's decision on Guantanamo Bay will unleash a torrent of court filings from detainees seeking their freedom but won't affect the military trials planned for some terrorism suspects, Attorney General Michael Mukasey said Friday.

The Bush administration disagrees strongly with the high court's decision that the foreigners held under indefinite detention at the Guantanamo naval base in Cuba have the right to seek release in civilian court. President Bush said Thursday he would abide by the decision, but also said his administration was evaluating whether to respond to the court's ruling with new legislation.

In Brussels, Belgium, on Friday, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he would reserve judgment on "what we ought to do next" at Guantanamo until he received briefings on the ruling.

"I have often said that ... we would like to close Guantanamo," Gates said. "I think that despite the fact that in many respects Guantanamo has become a state-of-the-art prison now, early reports of abuses and so on unquestionably were a black eye for the United States."

Thursday's much-anticipated 5-to-4 ruling was the third time the justices have repudiated Bush on his ambitious and hugely controversial schemes to hold the suspects outside the protections of U.S. law.

Speaking at a Group of Eight meeting of justice and home affairs ministers in Tokyo, Mukasey said, "I'm disappointed with the decision, in so far as I understand that it will result in hundreds of actions challenging the detention of enemy combatants to be moved to federal district court."

He added: "I think it bears emphasis that the court's decision does not concern military commission trials, which will continue to proceed. Instead it addresses the procedures that the Congress and the president put in place to permit enemy combatants to challenge their detention."

http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Mukasey_Detainee_ruling_won_t_stop__06132008.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 12:39 PM
Response to Original message
1. Not to worry, Dubya just issued one of his infamous signing statements. They now apply to SCOTUS
decisions as well as bills passed by congress.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. I'm glad * is creating such a revealing paper trail of his treasonous over-reaching.
These signing statements could become "Exhibit A" at the Hague.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #1
11. Um, when the head of one brach overrules another, hmm can we impeach yet
the Supremes say that signing statements are unconstitutional, so chimpy says that the supremes are unnecessary???
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #11
23. Look at it this way
Bush** is setting the precedent, so the power to tell SCOTUS & Congress to f-off will be Obama's too.

Unitary Executive, it ain't just a Republican thing.

(I smell freepers crappin' in their pants.) :rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 12:39 PM
Response to Original message
2. Um ... did I miss the part in the ruling that said it was optional?
:shrug: :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. "Unitary Executive" hubris on steroids sans Impeachment running amok. Do ya think? ~nt~
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 12:40 PM
Response to Original message
3. I wonder how many of those prisoners will be moved to secret prisons around the world?
No way in HELL that BushCo wants to chance letting some of those prisoners go free.

Looks like we have some more articles of impeachment that need to be written!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. Justice Scalia dissenting suggests Bush should have sent the prisoners to another place outside the
reach of SCOTUS.
America is at war with radical Islamists. The enemy began by killing Americans and American allies abroad: 241 at the Marine barracks in Lebanon, 19 at the Khobar Towers in Dhahran, 224 at our embassies in Dar es Salaam and Nairobi, and 17 on the USS Cole in Yemen. See National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States, The 9/11 Commission Report, pp. 60–61, 70, 190 (2004). On September 11, 2001, the enemy brought the battle to American soil, killing 2,749 at the Twin Towers in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon in Washington, D. C., and 40 in Pennsylvania. See id., at 552, n. 9. It has threatened further attacks against our homeland; one need only walk about buttressed and barricaded Washington, or board a plane anywhere in the country, to know that the threat is a serious one. Our Armed Forces are now in the field against the enemy, in Afghanistan and Iraq. Last week, 13 of our countrymen in arms were killed.

The game of bait-and-switch that today’s opinion plays upon the Nation’s Commander in Chief will make the war harder on us. It will almost certainly cause more Americans to be killed. That consequence would be tolerable if necessary to preserve a time-honored legal principle vital to our constitutional Republic. But it is this Court’s blatant abandonment of such a principle that produces the decision today. The President relied on our settled precedent in Johnson v. Eisentrager, 339 U. S. 763 (1950), when he established the prison at Guantanamo Bay for enemy aliens. Citing that case, the President’s Office of Legal Counsel advised him “that the great weight of legal authority indicates that a federal district court could not properly exercise habeas jurisdiction over an alien detained at .” Memorandum from Patrick F. Philbin and John C. Yoo, Deputy Assistant Attorneys General, Office of Legal Counsel, to William J. Haynes II, General Counsel, Dept. of Defense (Dec. 28, 2001). Had the law been otherwise, the military surely would not have transported prisoners there, but would have kept them in Afghanistan, transferred them to another of our foreign military bases, or turned them over to allies for detention. Those other facilities might well have been worse for the detainees themselves.


Opinion at http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/07pdf/06-1195.pdf
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #8
20. "the Nation’s Commander in Chief" ???
The Constitution makes the President the Commander In Chief of the armed forces, not of the country.

Of course we already knew that the Constitution is nothing more than a quaint document to the likes of Scalia.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pt22 Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #8
24. "justice" and "Scalia" don't belong in the same sent...no wait, in the same language.
Edited on Fri Jun-13-08 07:52 PM by pt22
grr
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 12:44 PM
Response to Original message
5. 'Dictater'
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #5
13. If it walks like a dick-tater, and talks like a dick-tater, well then ... ~nt~
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 12:55 PM
Response to Original message
7. these criminals do not care about law...I M P E A C H
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 01:00 PM
Response to Original message
9. administration was evaluating whether to respond to the court's ruling with new legislation.
Since when can the Administration create Legislation? I was under the assumption that Legislation was Congress's role..A President can sign such legislation into law but can not write law.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #9
15. They have their allies in Congress create bills for them
to order
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 01:20 PM
Response to Original message
10. Maybe the Dem Senators (NY & CA) who pushed for his confirmation should now promote impeachment?
:D
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. I'm liking the sound of that. A righteous atonement for their lousy judgment ~nt~
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 01:29 PM
Response to Original message
12. state of the art????
then Mr. Mukasey why don't you and friends go there, and I hear they have wonderful meals!!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. Since when is torture & kangaroo courts considered an "art"? Oh ya, since * became pResident ~nt~
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 04:57 PM
Response to Original message
17. coming from "a judge" with a healthy respect for the Judicial System???????????
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 05:17 PM
Response to Original message
18. they'll all run into the same obstacle, ahole--your evidence is tainted
or nonexistent. Prove they did what you say they did, and there will be no problem with sentencing them. If not, they must go free. THAT is what Americans do!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 06:22 PM
Response to Original message
19. Impeach his wrinkled white ass.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 07:37 PM
Response to Original message
21. But the Supreme Court was okay when they appointed Bush President?
I don't think you can have it both ways. If you recognize their authority in one venue then they have to recognize it in others.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 07:38 PM
Response to Original message
22. And there's not a damn thing anyone's going to do about it.
We forgot to put teeth in the Constitution.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 08:04 PM
Response to Original message
25. So he thinks a challenge to the legality of a persons detention is some how
Edited on Fri Jun-13-08 08:05 PM by gbrooks
unrelated to or a separate issue from
their trial.

I am pretty sure that if you are detained
illegally then your trial is illegal.

This guy is even dumber than Gonzales. He
should never have gotten out of committee
let alone been confirmed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. Dumb? Maybe
Spineless, corrupt weasels? Definitely.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:33 AM
Response to Original message
27. Mukasey the enabler
Right on message.

And you expect justice from the Department of Justice? Feh!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 08:30 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC