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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:22 PM
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Put up or shutup. Give specific examples if you think Tim Russert was somehow a RW hack

I've had enough of this. The people who are claiming--gracelessly on the day he died--that Tim Russert was somehow the equivalent of Hannity or Limbaugh. He made some errors, and sometimes I got mad at him, but those such characterizations are way off the mark.

So, put up or shut up. Give us some examples that substantiate these accusations.

Examples based on facts and evidence, not impressions, rumors and conspiracy theories.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:27 PM
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1. Highly Recommended!!
*crickets*.......
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:30 PM
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2. Search Tim Russert's name on Crooks and Liars.
You'll get all the evidence you want.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:31 PM
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3. Valerie Plame affair......
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:32 PM
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5. He didn't want to testify against a source - is that a surprise?
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:31 PM
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4. I have the personal impression, based on his interview methods ...
That Tim Russert went VERY easy on Right Wingers, and went far deeper into negative subject areas when interviewing Democrats ...

That is my impression ... and it is why I stopped watching MTP some years ago ....

I have no citations or links to provide, and while I am sorry about what happened, and I would offer my sincerest condolences to his family on this horrible day for them ... You cannot deny me my own feelings, long developed, and quite real ....
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:10 PM
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38. I don't think he intended to be biased. He was just a pushover.
The GOP are a bunch of thugs. If you cross them they get ugly, and he wasn't a guy who was looking for a lot of conflict. It is easier to ask tough questions of Democrats. When you ask a tough question of a Republican, you can be sure they will respond with a personal attack on the questioner and then try to get him ousted. When you ask a difficult question of a Democrat, you usually get something more like a college debate.

Republicans knew they could easily bully him because he was a decent guy who didn't really like conflict. And the fact that it was easy for Republicans to bully him is probably why he kept that MTP job for so many years.

He probably did the best her personality and need for job security would allow. He was not the enemy. He was just a symptom of the bigger problems in the press these days.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:33 PM
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6. He said "if you work hard and are good, you'll make it in life."
Tim, there's more to it than that and a lot of people who work hard and are good aren't making it.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:36 PM
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7. ....
you gotta be joking.

peace~
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:50 PM
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15. Not to make this a slam against Russert... but that attitude is really
ingrained in the American mindset of those in his era... And for some degree there was truth in that statement... You could work hard and see your savings and retirement and life become better... However, today this is not true. People aren't working 2 and 3 jobs to save up for something better... they are working those jobs to pay for food on the table and daycare and gas and all the things that cost so much these days just to survive.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:09 PM
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26. more than those of his era- it is part of the American
mantra.

"land of opportunity". "Self made man" etc.

It is part of human society. People like to believe they can control their destiny.

Pride and loathing. So much of life is a crap shoot. Any healthy being given a clear choice between suffering and success, would choose success. Look at 'life' that cannot speak. How many plants CHOOSE to struggle and wither? How many animals chose to starve or make themselves willing prey?

The concept that hard work and 'morality' brings prosperity is used to keep people 'in line'.

Tim Russert is only one of a myriad of people who espoused that. He is in very good company, even if he was wrong about that. (IMO)

peace~
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:36 AM
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51. He was an optimist with a strong work ethic? Fucking freeper!
God, DU is embarrassing sometimes.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:36 PM
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8. Talk to the hand ..


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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:37 PM
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9. I don't think he wa a right-wing hack..
I think he was a talking head, paid big bucks to say such things as the lies that took us into Iraq, and God knows what else. He was a man. He lived and he died. That's life.
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ironrooster Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:12 PM
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27. word!
That's right he was just a man who hitched his plow to the wrong horse. His stature would not be so INFLATED if there were more decent journalists nowadays. Anymore it's like if you have a somewhat professional demeanor - you are some kind of News God. Our standards are so fucking low.
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:37 PM
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10. He didn't challenge Cheney when he said he had cut ties with Halliburton.
I won't talk ill of him, but he did not question Cheney-I'm sure there are sure other examples, but that one really irked me.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:40 PM
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11. He was worse than Hannity because he lent his "credibility" to GOP talking points.
His treatment of HRC during her debate with Lazio was reprehensible, he sunk Mass GOP gov nominee Shannon O'Brien with some inane abortion qustion during a debate (when in fact it was the GOP nominee who should have been back on hells on the issue) and he pulled the same shit with the Dem gov nominee in FL (name escapes me now) during a debate. It amazed me that Dems would continue to choose him to moderate. There's also the internal WH memo about MTP being their "best forum" on Sunday mornings.

The dude favored the GOP period. There was that typical RW spin BS in his book about how the Dem party "left" his Dad "Big Russ" not the other way around there's a lot of other stuff RW spin in that book. If you're really interested go to the daily howler there's reems of material about Russert.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:41 PM
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12. he played gotcha politics, did it in debates, not a RW hack but a hack nonetheless. n/t
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:46 PM
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13. Was all over Bill Clinton for his wrong doing
Was very gentle towards W for his actions.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:59 PM
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19. Was all over Hillary Clinton in the debate. nt
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sammythecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:20 PM
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40. That whole impeachment mess was what got me
to start disliking him and I used to like him a lot. The idea that the President of the United States would lie under oath in an attempt to hide an extramarital affair was the most important evil in the world to Tim Russert. He was on that ALL the fucking time.

The fact that George Bush and the whole administration would lie to wage a war that never would have happened if the people knew the truth. Anywhere from 45,000 to 650,000 human beings are dead today because of those lies. He knew goddamned well there was something fishy going on. Hell, millions of people here and around the world knew that and no one can tell me that Tim Russert was bamboozled. I just don't believe that at all. He wanted a good show, he wanted access, he wanted people like the Vice President making appearances on MTP. He didn't want to risk being shunned if he pissed off Bush or Cheney. He could have been a powerful voice in raising the alarm about what was happening.

What this administration was doing, and has done, and continues to do, is not even remotely comparable to what Clinton did. He was an absolute pit bull when it came to blowjobs in the oval office, yet the literally incalculable damage wrought by Bush and his cronies practically gets a pass. Like I said, I used to like him a lot and I never wanted to dislike him. He became a self-serving enabler. As far as I'm concerned, the man died with blood on his hands.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:23 AM
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84. Yeah, it really showed a lack of perspective. nt
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:47 PM
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14. Not a RW hack.
His interview style was to show or play quotes of what people said in the past, and ask how that jived with their current statements made during the interview. Good technique, especially for interviewing politicians with short memories and fingers in the wind. He used that on those from both parties.

His roots are on the Democratic side, as chief of staff for Moynihan.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:06 PM
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37. Yeah, and he also worked for that rightist tool Mario Cuomo. What a right winger he was!
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:27 PM
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41. And Chris Matthews worked for Tip O'Neill & has a man-crush on Bush
Did you see Matthews on the day Bush pulled the "Mission Accomplished" crap?

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sammythecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:29 PM
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42. That was 25 years ago. 8 years ago
Edited on Fri Jun-13-08 11:30 PM by sammythecat
Joe Lieberman was Al Gore's running mate.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:47 PM
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43. do facts have shelf lives or time limits?
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sammythecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:43 AM
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55. I'm not sure what you mean here, but what I'm saying
is that whatever Russert and Leiberman did in the past hasn't got a damn thing to do with their enabling of this administration. David Horowitz is a radical right wing headcase. The fact he was a radical left wing activist 40 years ago doesn't change that.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:44 AM
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64. facts, schmacts. So many DUers have apparently left the reality-based community.
jeebus h christ on a trailer hitch, don't bother them with *facts*
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:33 AM
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67. Joe Lieberman was the Democratic VP nominee in 2000.
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 09:16 AM
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82. That was perfect. /nt
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:54 PM
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16. Reporting the issues
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:57 PM
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17. Talking Point Memo
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 09:58 PM
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18. Media Matters
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:23 AM
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60. Lex, you are like the Shell Answer man
but no Daily Howler? (which I posted about four hours before this OP imperiously demanded some evidence)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3446020&mesg_id=3446300
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 04:06 AM
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68. Even "self made"millionaires have a tendency to stop being grass roots Dems
especially if they are supposed to be a-political and they work, in essence, for the defense industry.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:02 PM
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20. That's easy. They have all been well-documented. Thanks be to the Magic Internet Tubes.
Edited on Fri Jun-13-08 10:25 PM by tom_paine
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:06 PM
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25. No shit. He could have waited a few days before asking.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:02 PM
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21. Russert knew politics inside and out....
Nobody could match his knowledge. He was the first out of the entire bunch who said that Obama was the Dem nominee.

He wasn't perfect and there were times I didn't think he was hard enough. Hell, I thought he gave a few folks some free passes that didn't deserve them.

Russert was a damn fine journalist and a good human being. Any comparisons to Hannity, Limpballs or the rest of those hacks...are not deserved.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:37 PM
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29. Very true .....
Russert was light years ahead of the minions of the Right Wing Hate Machine ... As pissed as I am about his browbeating the Democrats and tiptoeing around the Right Wing Schmucks, I am SURE he went way too early, and I deeply regret his passing ....

He was good at what he did ... I simply didn't prefer some of what he did ...

RIP MR. Russert ....
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:38 PM
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31. He was tight with the power brokers
and he helped them do their work.

Sometimes that meant not asking important questions:

"During this week's Democratic presidential debate, Russert didn't ask a single question about global warming, continuing his longstanding habit of all but ignoring the topic. He didn't ask a single question about the mortgage crisis. (As one Cleveland resident noted, "We've got the mortgage industry's toxic waste scattered all over this city, but Mr. Blue-Collar-Buffalo-and-Cleveland-Marshall-Guy Russert couldn't be bothered with a question about it.") He didn't ask a single question about executive power, the Constitution, torture, wiretapping, or other civil-liberties concerns. But that shouldn't come as a surprise; of all the questions he has asked while moderating presidential debates during this campaign, only one has dealt with any of those topics.

He has, however, asked Dennis Kucinich what he felt compelled to insist was a "serious question" -- whether Kucinich has seen a UFO. And he has asked about John Edwards' expensive haircut. "

http://mediamatters.org/items/200802290020

He knew how to keep the public distracted from the real issues and crimes of the day. He was good at his job, he was loyal to those he worked for.

I'm sorry he died and sorry for his family, but I can't imagine any knowledgeable and politically informed person would have relied on him to choose which candidates to support.


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IrishBloodEngHeart Donating Member (815 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:45 PM
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32. He's no Hannity or Limbaugh, but he's no great journalist
he was a font of conventional wisdom. He never had any real insight, he never pushed the debate in this country forward, he never covered a story that wouldn't have been covered without him.

He was a safe, corporate guy. Personally, he may have been great. He was an average journalist who was famous.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:19 AM
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63. No, Russert knew the soap opera that masquerades as politics inside and out
Indeed, he did more than many others to create it.

That it hurts people severely goes without saying.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:03 PM
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22. The comprehensive Media Matters...
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:04 PM
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23. Looks like folks have "put up" bluestateguy.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:05 PM
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24. It happened on a Friday NewsDumpDay? n/t
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:34 PM
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28. who did he shill for and why?
....he wasn't a janitor at GE, he didn't work in the mailroom....

....his job and position was to help make GE big money and to tout their corporate agenda....if he didn't do what was expected of him he wouldn't have been in the position very long....

....but he did do what was expected of him and he did it very well, and for many years....

....specific lines, specific broadcasts, focus too narrowly....the question should be, 'Did the corporate war contractor profit during timmeh's stewardship of a main part of their propaganda machine?'....'Did timmeh profit from the relationship?'

....and how many innocent people globally, died unjustly, directly or indirectly, from these war products and services during this time frame?....

http://www.govexec.com/features/0806-15/0806-15s3s1.htm

2005 Contract Awards
GE, total $2,533,782,945
Air Force, $645,141,867
Army, $484,326,832
Navy, $1,094,438,777
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:37 PM
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30. That is an easy case to make. But not now. Have some decency, man.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:50 PM
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33. LOL.
You've proven your ignorance.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:56 PM
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34. hope you read the links people have provided for you. since you asked. n/t
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:57 PM
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35. I posted my specific examples on another thread.
I don't want to do all that HTML again, so if you want specific reasons, follow the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3446020&mesg_id=3447071
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ReverendDeuce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 10:59 PM
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36. I didn't like it when he'd got after my people, but loved him when he went after the others...
Timmy will be regarded as a legend.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:12 PM
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39. softballs to the pugs
always


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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 11:53 PM
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44. some people here think everyone is a RW hack.
anyone with even a slightly different viewpoint, anyone who doesn't automatically hate every conservative politician or figure etc etc.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:13 AM
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46. Welcome to DU!
Glad you have figured us out so quickly.




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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:38 AM
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53. so russert was a conservative?
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:09 AM
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45. It doesn't matter - he was a Human Being.
I don't care whether you agreed with him or not. He was a Human Being and entitled to his own opinions. You can denigrate him all you want for his opinions - but he was still a human being.

The Freepers and Republicans don't value life. I expect them to celebrate Death.

We are Progressives. We are Liberals. We are better than that.

A man died today. His family is in pain.

If anyone wants to celebrate his tragic death because his beliefs happened to be different from yours - you are not a Progressive or a Liberal. You are cold, and heartless. You are everything the rest of us are fighting against. You are the Enemy.

There, I said it. Flame away. But I will be adament that you are the problem, not the solution.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:15 AM
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47. "He was a Human Being and entitled to his own opinions. "

As is everyone on this thread, too, you know.







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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:01 AM
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59. True, but
when someone proclaims themselves to be a progressive, and then expresses views that are totally lacking in empathy - I will call them what they are: a hypocrite.

Just because you claim to be a Progressive doesn't mean you are. Threads like this shows everyone's True Colors.

I don't have to call anyone a hypocrite, your own words will show if you are or are not.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:40 AM
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61. Links to those celebrating his death?
I want to see them.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:21 AM
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48. will he be buried with his bush/cheney pin under his lapel?
...an item run by the always salutary Roger Ailes blog:

"Reliable sources have informed MWO that Jack Welch and Tim Russert attended last autumn's Al Smith Dinner in New York together - and that Russert, on the back of his lapel, was cleverly wearing a Bush for President button.

Russert has reportedly tried to shrug off the incident in private, but has failed to discuss it publicly.

MWO has also been told that either during or after the campaign, Republican Welch chewed out his employee, NBC News correspondent Claire Shipman, for being too favorable to Gore in her reporting on the Vice President's campaign. And Shipman's bureau chief - Tim Russert - reportedly did not lift a finger to protect her or to protest Welch's outrageous partisan interference."

As an aside, in case you didn't hear it, Peggy "Underdog Lady" Noonan just called Russert "a Reagan Democrat."...

http://mracid.blogspot.com/2008/06/traitor-to-america-tim-russert-dies.html
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:34 AM
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49. Rumour and hearsay. n/t.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:36 AM
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50. the blind who don't want to see
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:37 AM
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52. You aren't showing; you're whispering and demanding belief.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:40 AM
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54. i'm whispering?and demanding belief?i hope you're just drunk.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:44 AM
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57. ...allow me to explain.
You engaged in metaphoric speech, in which you claimed that those who did not accept the Bush-pin story were 'blind' for refusal to see. I suggested the metaphor was incorrect, for there was nothing to see. Rather, you provided only unproven semi-private declarations for which exists absolutely no evidence (that is to say, whispers) and then demanded belief in said declarations.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:46 AM
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58. you're very superior.congratulations.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 09:04 AM
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78. Yeah, he's superior allright. A legend in his own mind.
A superior asshole. No doubt about it.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 10:57 AM
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85. Show me facts rather than rumours from so-called "reliable sources"
And maybe I'll see.
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KelleyKramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:44 AM
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56. Dick Cheney's people said Russert was their best mouthpiece

And I do believe this was said under oath in sworn testimony during the Valerie Plame trial.

If he was Dick Cheney's top goto guy in the media (and I presume the 'media' includes Fox news) then I guess that makes it pretty clear... Tim was a rightwing hack.


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El Pinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:52 AM
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62. He was worse than Hannity or Limbaugh because he made a pretense of being an objective journalist.
His biases, hit jobs on liberals, and soft-balls to right-wingers were obvious to anyone who paid attention.

I'm not delighted at his passing, but I feel about the same way about it as I would if Bob Dole had died.

:shrug:
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Kickin_Donkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:10 AM
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65. Sure, here ya go ...
On Russert's selling out to the MSM:


Russert pounded the table. “Integrity is for paupers!”

http://makethemaccountable.com/podvin/media/020109_Russert.htm
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:17 AM
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66. he was consistently easy on wingnuts--softball question after softball question
and consistently abrasive and negative with Democrats (he never had a real progressive on his show to my knowledge). He also stuck faithfully to the neocon framing of current issues--abortion or guns or Reverend Wright or what have you instead of legitimate issues.

His show was STRONGLY favored by Cheney and his minions as the place to spew their lies unchallenged.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 04:24 AM
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69. And I've had quite ENOUGH of phoniness and self righteous posts from folks with short memories
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 04:28 AM by depakid
I'm not one who ever gloats (the bell tolls for all of us) but I do remember and think- and having buried all too many loved ones in my life before their time, I find much of what's gone on here this last day to be disgusting.

You asked for examples of things on the record that reflect what Russert did in life these past 8 or 9 years, objectively, well here ya go:

TIMOTHY’S CHOICE! Russert knew that Cheney had lied. And Russert knew not to tell you:

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh100704.shtml

IT TAKES A VILLAGE BURGHER! Russert bungled Social Security, as he has done through the years:

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh100704.shtml

Tim Russert: Stop the Inanity

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=tim_russert_stop_the_inanity

Russert let McCain mislead on Clinton's Iraq withdrawal proposal

http://mediamatters.org/items/200801280011

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These are only a couple of examples- but they're representive- and there are TONS more. There's a reason why Jack Welch (GE CEO) groomed Russert for the position- just as there's a reason why MTP ended up among the "best" propaganda on the so called MSM.

You don't have to be an asshole or gloat over someone's passing to simply recognize what happened and the choices that they made.

Or how they affected people both in the states and abroad who ethically, they had a responsibility to....


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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:19 AM
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70. It's too late to start paying attention now.
He'll be replaced by another right-wing hack immediately, though one without Russert's occasional flashes of integrity.
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:53 AM
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71. Aaron Broussard. the way he treated that man whose world was dying drowning underwater was GHOULISH
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 07:58 AM by slampoet
Never mind right wing hack.


What he did in that interview and to cover his ass after ward was a person blood feud level insult to anyone who has Cajun/Creole or Louisiana roots.


I'm surprised Russert wasn't found in the belly of a gator or dead in the razor grass after that one.


I know several Louisiana people who vowed to tell their great grandchildren what a scummy thing he did badgering a public official whose whole town was dying and needle him on details when ROVE was holding rescuers off until it could be filmed LIVE.

RUSSERT told a man whose WHOLE county was under water that he should be rescuing himself.




People in Jefferson County and other places in New Orleans Died because Tim Russert wanted to play gotcha.


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Z_I_Peevey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 09:03 AM
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77. Broussard was my first thought as well. n/t
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:56 AM
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72. You just got crushed in this post...
You wanted examples and you got many ..... did you read them? Now what do you think or is your head still in the sand?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 09:06 AM
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80. I presume he's still reading, or is too humiliated to return to this thread.
I wouldn't blame him for THAT. Very astute observation, trumad.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 07:59 AM
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73. I take it you never watched his show?
And heard various Bush administration officials LIE while Russert sat there and smiled and NEVER questioned them on their lies??

Good grief. He died. He was just a man. Not a saint.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 08:55 AM
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74. He was the king of political media celebrities in its most shameful era
He was a hard working guy who treasured his family. I respect him for that and I offer my condolences to his friends and family.

He was better than many but shared a lot of the shortcomings of today's celebrity news media. He asked tough questions but IMO failed to follow up when given right wing spin. He was tougher on Dems than on conservatives. He was a leading propagator of "conventional wisdom" and 'received opinion." CW and RO has been with us since the invention of the printing press so I don't get too worked up about it.

I'm saving up my grave dancing credits for bush, cheney, and rumsfeld.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 08:56 AM
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75. Are ya stupid?
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 09:00 AM by BlooInBloo
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=greenwald+russert&btnG=Google+Search&num=100


EDIT: And please link to a DUer claiming that Russert was "the equivalent of Hannity or Limbaugh". I must have missed those posts. Thanks!
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watercolors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 08:59 AM
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76. I won't miss him at all!
nt
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 09:04 AM
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79. I'm sorry the man is dead, BUT...
I do think he was a right-wing hack.
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 09:09 AM
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81. He wasn't a RW hack, he was a MSM hack. n/t
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 09:17 AM
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83. I have not been impressed with the examples provided here
nt
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 11:04 AM
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86. Since you asked (environmental issues) & k&r
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 11:07 AM by Reterr
I said it before, I am not really familiar with the guy, but if I google "Tim Russert+global warming" (an issue of utmost importance in my book atleast):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laurie-david-and-gene-karpinski/did-tim-russert-get-the-m_b_72433.html

( I respect Gene Karpinski's opinions on this sort of thing-he is a solid advocate for the environment)

Did Tim Russert Get The Memo

This past week, NBC completed its Green Is Universal campaign -- a week-long effort to educate and engage the public by infusing its programming with environmental themes. The effort resulted in everything from Matt Lauer reporting from the Arctic circle to Al Gore making a cameo appearance on 30 Rock parodying himself. Throughout the week, global warming was front and center. And then there was Tim Russert.

As the network's Washington Bureau Chief, Mr. Russert was surely alerted to the broadly publicized campaign. The emerald green tie he donned in Sunday's Meet the Press interview with Senator Barack Obama would seem to confirm that. But if you watched the interview, you probably noticed that Tim Russert didn't actually get the memo. Instead, Russert continued his long-running pattern of ignoring an issue that the American voters, the international community and the world's scientists have all identified as one of our most pressing challenges. Not to mention one of the most consequential.

How bad have Tim's interviews been? Over the past ten months, presidential candidates have made 16 appearances on Meet the Press. In the nearly three hundred questions he has asked the candidates, not once has he uttered the words "global warming." Not once.

At the two debates Mr. Russert has moderated, he has found time to discuss a national smoking ban, the drinking age, Bible verses, baseball, and even UFOs but not once did he ask how candidates would address the climate crisis.

His lack of coverage of the issue has been so glaring that one can only wonder whether he still needs to be convinced that global warming is a problem.

Of course, this failure is not his alone, but he is certainly the worst and most prominent example of it.


As a result, it is not surprising that the majority of the Republican candidates have coasted through the primary without having to outline any specific policies to address global warming. And while most of the Democrats have detailed plans, there has been little effort to compare their policies and gauge who is best prepared to tackle this historic challenge.

So here we are at the tail-end of an unprecedented year-long primary campaign and the media has largely failed to ask difficult and direct questions about one of the greatest challenges humanity has ever faced.

In light of this failure, several groups have partnered with Grist to host a presidential forum -- Global Warming & America's Energy Future -- this Saturday in Los Angeles. This will be the first event exclusively devoted to questioning the candidates on their policies and vision for tackling our growing energy problems. But with dozens more candidate forums, debates and interviews, the real question is this:

As interesting as it is to ponder whether we are alone in the universe, when on Earth will Mr. Russert cover global warming as a political issue?



Rather large issue to just completely ignore like that?

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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 11:16 AM
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87. He Got Arianna Huffington Banned on Any NBC
show - to promote her book. Arianna was relentless in her attacks on Russert.

Brave New Films:

It seems that Arianna Huffington has run up against the impenetrable wall that is Tim Russert’s ego. Huffington, who is currently on tour for her new book Right Is Wrong: How The Lunatic Fringe Hijacked America, Shredded The Constitution, and Made Us All Less Safe, will be appearing on CNN, ABC, and CBS. She had been booked on Morning Joe and Countdown with Keith Olbermann as well, but those bookings were suddenly and inexplicably cancelled.

NBC confirmed that Huffington wouldn’t be booked on any NBC-affiliated show to promote her book, but refused to explain why. Huffington’s people say that this is Tim Russert’s doing, that Russert is out for revenge because Huffington called him a “conventional wisdom zombie” in her book and devoted seven pages to faulting Russert for allowing his Meet the Press guests to go unchallenged (not to mention HuffPo’s RussertWatch).http://www.crooksandliars.com/category/nbc/meet-the-presstim-russert/

Right-Wing hack? Who knows, but he sure didn't like any criticism of his show and had the power to ban those who questioned him.
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coyote Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 11:18 AM
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88. Here is the video with Aaron Broussard with Tim Russert
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