New vocabulary in the anti-choice movement....

[pepperbear]

I notice that "pre-born" has replaced "unborn". Anyone else notice this?

On edit: this is very significant.

[Malikshah]

1. So does that make us all pre-dead? *That's* going to go over well.

Will these folks just stop already? They embarrass and defame their religion by this inanity.

[pepperbear]

2. I agree, but think of the undecideds out there, the cud chewers...

"unborn" doesn't imply life at conception, but to the gullible, "pre born" sure could.

Also, remember that these people have a problem with an egg not getting fertilized at ALL. Even that is murder to them.

I think it's dangerous. It could backfire, or it could be the smartest thing they've ever done. Only time will tell.

[orleans]

3. pre-dead? oh no!!!!!

just think of of all those vampire and zombie novels that are going to be so outdated!

"and then sharon saw that he was one of the pre-dead. she was about to scream when she realized that everyone was one of the pre-dead. she happily turned over and went back to sleep."

[TahitiNut]

13. Well, isn't "pre-dead" better than "undead"?

:evilgrin:

[mcctatas]

21. ....

:spray:

[ColbertWatcher]

16. For the GOP teenagers would then be "pre-soldiers". n/t

[orleans]

4. no, i haven't noticed. where did you hear this?

i'm sick to death of these people. i really have "zero tolerance" for shit in my middle age.

[pepperbear]

7. Here's one....

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200806/CUL20080606a.html

Pro-Lifers Campaign Against Pill-Induced Abortions

*snip*

"The pill can kill pre-born babies, which is why American Life League decided this campaign would be the best way to reach as many women as possible," Hahnenberg said.

Their new target? Birth control pills.

[orleans]

24. my god.

what is it that kills their intelligence? lack of vitimins? interbreeding? religion? peaking out on an 8th grade education? the sun? what the fuck is WRONG with these people??

[Elspeth]

5. This is significant. The anti-choice movement has been dominating the framing

What I don't understand is why NARAL and NOW and all the other organizations don't get their own framing out there. They haven't changed their language in 30 years.

[Cerridwen]

9. Kind of puts the "lie" to the idea that they have the "power" so

many accuse them of, doesn't it?

[Elspeth]

11. They being....

(just making I understood you)

[Cerridwen]

12. "NARAL and NOW and all the other organizations" to whom you

referred in your previous post.

Hope that helps.

[Elspeth]

17. Yes, and thank you.

And I agree with you. Language is power, and these groups have just let themselves be bulldozed. I think they may have gotten overconfident early on and never quite recovered.

[Cerridwen]

23. I don't think "they" allowed themselves to be bulldozed as much

as they WERE bulldozed.

The "dominant" "paradigm" (if you'll pardon the use of that now cliched word (apologizes to grammarians)), has applied to "them" a power which they have never had.

Nor do I believe "they" became overconfident - though "they" may have been portrayed as such.

The "media", whether r/w "pundit"/hacks or whatever it is that passes as the dominant talking-head, has portrayed those who would speak against the dominant paradigm as having far more power and influence than they actually have/had in an effort to cut off any potential power they may actually acquire.

[Cerridwen]

6. From memory of news articles...

first they were --

family planning clinics

then they were --

women's health clinics

then they were --

women's clinics

then they were --

clinics

then they were --

abortion clinics

A hierarchy of value descending in importance - family -> women's health -> women -> clinic -> abortion

I wouldn't worry, were I you. I've been assured by many of my fellow Democrats and liberals and progressives that's it's just words; well, unless it's the Democrat Party rather than the Democratic Party; in which case it's "fightin' words".

[Vickers]

8. It's like used cars...pretty soon a fetus will be "certified pre-born" or some shit.

:eyes:

[enlightenment]

14. I think that must be those "snowflake" babies

(or whatever the hell they're called) - certified pre-born fetus (with limited warranty until birth)

[SeattleGirl]

10. I've been hearing this for quite some time.

:puke:

[ColbertWatcher]

15. Good catch.

The GOP are known for their "creative" use of the English language.

Check out this list of words to describe themselves and the section following it to describe people who don't necessarily agree with them.

[chknltl]

18. Well at least he is not gay!

(Please refer to the photo in your link)

I could easily tell that he is not gay because of the turtleneck sweater he is wearing but for those who were less observant, the words "not gay" are written below the photo.


:rofl:

(edited for spell-check and a minor restructure)

[ColbertWatcher]

20. Luntz is an ass.

Just like every closeted fucker shilling for the GOP.

They may know how to manipulate words better than most, but they can't seem to "get" spin how ugly their image is.

[pansypoo53219]

19. i'll stick with my pro-fetus

for them. since they doen't seem to give ashit about babies or children. or what situation children have to live in.

[MedleyMisty]

22. I saw a bumper sticker the other day

that said something like "You 'had' a choice - to keep your legs closed."

That's pretty much what it is - punishing women for having and enjoying sex. The actual children are just the emotional wedge to get responses from people who don't have huge hangups and issues about sex.

I think that's my biggest issue with Christianity and why St. Augustine is on my list for top 10 worst humans of all time - imagine how the world could be different if people weren't indoctrinated with the idea that sex is some nasty evil sinful thing.

[Mr. Blonde]

25. It is really pretty ridiculous

since there is a whole book of the Bible about the joys of having sex.

[undeterred]

30. St. Augustine

was absolutely brilliant. If you're going to throw out all the brilliant thinkers of Western civilization because of their bizarre ideas about women, there's no men left. You have to sift the good from the bad.

[ColbertWatcher]

28. Someone came up with the "Cuban Citizenship Criteria"...

...and how it should apply to babies as well.

It goes something like this:

they are considered citizens once they set foot on American soil and not before then!

[opihimoimoi]

26. Oh shit, never mind those Pre Thinkers....They are so passionate....and obstinate,,,,

[barbtries]

27. i was thinking about the vocabulary the other day

because of a thread posted here on DU. it used the term "pro-life" to mean "anti-choice." and it's bullshit when you consider how many so-called "pro-life" people are also "pro-war" and war is incompatible with life.

it's a marketing ploy obviously. and the anti-choice people are behind the times if they're just coming out with this now. car dealers been selling "pre-owned" cars for years. but let's get real - we know they are used cars. "pre-born" = a pregnancy.

i responded that i am pro-life and pro-choice. and would add that the pro-choice movement should not indulge the opposition by embracing terminology that confuses the discussion.

[ColbertWatcher]

29. Maybe we should call it pro-something else, like...

...pro doctor?

Or pro-21st Century?