I know this is not so popular here, but I am thankful as hell for the smoking bans.

[Smith_3]

The smoking ban went into effect in my area a few months ago, and all I can say is I really like it.

I used to like to go out to bars and stuff, until it became increasingly heavy for me to stand to be in smoked up rooms. I finally ended up staying at home on most weekends, because I knew that staying in a smoked up room was gonna cause big time eye irritations and a sore throat for at least two days, and not to mention the smell of my clothes and hair.

Now I go out on almost every weekend again. We have a smoking ban in place that allows bars to have seperate smoking rooms, and I think that is fair. In the first few months after the ban was passed, from what I was told, business went back a little, but it went back to normal not long after.

Now, we still have some libertarian leaning type of people here who are protesting it and making it an issue of individual freedom. All I can say that is: So your personally freedom to inhale burnt leaf in a closed room is more important to you than all the other people's freedom to breathe clean air and not be coughing for three days after a bar visit? I don't think that is very nice.

A bar is not a private place! A bar is something that should be accessible to everyone. I have heard people say "nobody is forcing you to go to these places". Well thank you! You want to exclude me and others from social life, because we like our mucous membranes non-irritated.

I don't think a smoking ban is in the same league with government spying and such, as libertarians want to make it sometimes. It is an issue of how people treat each other.

Or how it is sometimes phrased "I don't mind if you smoke, if you don't mind if I shit in your shoe." ;)

Peace.

[XemaSab]

1. Agreed

:patriot:

[bigwillq]

2. I am a smoker....

and I really like the smoking ban to.

I don't smoke in the house so I have to go outside everytime I smoke anyway, so I don't mind it. Even during New England winters.

Even in the bars/clubs, I don't mind it. At least you could breathe and you don't reek of smoke like you did before.

[AlCzervik]

4. same here, i don't mind the bans and i would never smoke in my house especially

since i'm the only smoker. nothing makes a place smell worse than cigarette smoke.

[bigwillq]

10. I agree

I slept over a friend's house after we had been partying, and smoking a brazilion cigarettes...and the couch and pillows I slept on freaking reeked of smoke. It was awful.

[EFerrari]

11. The goop gets on everything.

I started smoking again when I got married and now that I'm the only junky here, am gearing up to clean up the house and smoke outside again. Because, YICK!

[AlCzervik]

12. i don't smoke in my car either, i think i smoke less than i used to but i really need

to quit, i'm just not there yet, hopefully i will quit before it's too late.

[EFerrari]

15. I quit for about a year and it wasn't so much quitting as doing

12 other things and not smoking while I did them. Not having that goop everywhere to trigger me helped a lot! By the time you think you want to smoke, it's pretty much too late.

[roguevalley]

66. I hope you do, honey. Nothing worse than not being able to conquer

something that is hurting you. I send hugs and good vibes your way. quitting is awfully hard.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

32. Okay, that's interesting. Getting married made you start smoking again?

That's not exactly a good advertisement for the institution. ;)

[EFerrari]

34. Shouldda been a big clue, no?

lol

:hi:

[alcibiades_mystery]

52. Totally agree: I don't smoke indoors at all anymore (Chicago)

The libertarian argument is nonsense. I choose to poison myself everyday with this shit. I don't see any reason why I should subject others to my habits.

I've even seen smoking ban opponents defend smoking in cars with their kids. It's despicable shit they're peddling.

You smoke? Go the fuck outside. Period.

[bigwillq]

54. My only beef

is how lately some cities have tried to ban smoking in the entire town. I think that goes a bit too far. I should be able to smoke anywhere I please OUTDOORS.

[LordJFT]

78. second-hand smoke can still be harmful outdoors

IMO people should only be able to smoke on their own property and not in front of their kids (with a few exceptions such as cigar-bars).

[Occam Bandage]

3. I love the smoking ban. Saves me from having to wash my jacket every time I go out in winter,

lest I smell like an ashtray.

[devilgrrl]

5. I like smoking bans too. I think they're popular everywhere.

:smoke:

[LordJFT]

6. smoking bans protect kids and other innocent bystanders from being poisoned by 4,000+ deadly toxins

It's is a very liberal/pro-democratic policy

[Clovis Sangrail]

23. letting kids in bars is liberal/pro-democratic? /nt

[LordJFT]

29. No, the smoking ban applies in restaurants as well. At least it does in NY and CA

I'm not sure where the poster is from.

[Clovis Sangrail]

58. different smoking ban

restaurants in Ca were non smoking by law long before the ban was applied to bars

After the restaurant ban a lot of bars had to stop serving food or go non smoking.
(If you frequent bars you'll see an awful lot of them with kitchens that are closed down)

I wonder if the smoking ban inspired any of them to open their kitchens back up..

[msongs]

7. its an issue of drug addiction and addicts have little to no regard for others nt

[SeattleGirl]

20. That's not strictly true.

I smoke, but I don't light up around non-smokers. Being a smoker does not automatically make one rude.

[Clovis Sangrail]

25. or an addict

I was hooked, but there are people who really do only smoke a few times a month or year.
My wife is one of them.

[SeattleGirl]

27. Quite true.

I know a couple of people who also only smoke a few times a year. As someone who is hooked on ciggies, I don't know how they do that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. I'm with you

[EFerrari]

9. I'm a smoker and I hate the bans but agree with you.

Even when I was producing and out four nights a week in bars, I didn't like it but agreed with you. :)

[Cleita]

13. I sort of agree. As an ex-smoker I don't like being around smokers but

I think the draconian way the smoke police are going about trying to criminalize smokers is not very democratic IMHO. I believe there should be lounges set aside for smokers in public places so they don't have to mingle with non-smokers. My college back in the late fifties was non-smoking but there was a smoker's lounge and a gazebo on campus for the smokers, the only places we were allowed to light up. Now in my state the smoke police are trying to ban smoking in open places like parks, in cars and in apartments. So if you light up in your own car and or your own apartment bothering no one, you will become a law breaker or a criminal. To me that's just going too far. For some people, the only luxury they get after a long day at work is a beer and a cigarette to relax.

[High Plains]

14. I'm pro-choice when it comes to smoking bans.

For all the people complaining about smoke irritation, you would think somebody would open up a non-smoking bar...

[Cleita]

18. The small town I lived in in Idaho had just that.

There were two bars. One was smoking and the other non-smoking. It worked out just fine.

[Clovis Sangrail]

26. there were a few non-smoking bars in my town before the ban.

[LordJFT]

40. For everyone complaining about the ban, you'd think people would open up more cigar-bars

which are still legal as long as you can prove that a mere 10% of their sales come from tobacco products.

[Clovis Sangrail]

60. I don't think it's quite that simple

but I agree with the jist of the thought

[LordJFT]

75. in New York it is

[Clovis Sangrail]

81. ah... in Ca it's not

[Radical Activist]

43. Well, they don't, so what about my choice to be in public?

Public smoking takes away my ability to make choices about where to go and how long to stay there. So I don't see your position as pro-choice at all. It takes away my choices and freedom.

[Clovis Sangrail]

61. we're not talking about smoking in public

it's smoking in a privately owned bar

if the bars were run by the govt you'd have a point... but they're not

[Radical Activist]

79. The segregation debate settled this a long time ago.

Its a public space.

[Clovis Sangrail]

82. really?

then I suppose I should be able to go into a women's lavatory.
Or my distaste (or allergies) should be grounds for a law banning people at work or the store from wearing perfume?

[lonestarnot]

16. I don't give a crap as I don't go to bars.

:smoke:

[ZombieHorde]

17. I don't like the smoking ban...

I hope that you have three bad hair days in a row.

[Warpy]

19. It's popular with me

because for too many years an allergy to cig smoke has kept me under virtual house arrest. Forget about parties, club, even restaurants. I was stuck at home, excluded by the grey clouds of other people's cigarette smoke everywhere.

The bans mean that other asthmatics don't have to live the way I have had to live.

[ixion]

21. well, gee, I'm glad YOU'RE happy

there are millions of others who think smoking bans are bogus. But YOU'RE happy, so that's all that matters.

[LordJFT]

30. Many of us who care about the health of innocents are.

[ixion]

37. That, my friend, is a red herring

Are you somehow stating that I don't care about the 'innocents'? That's a pretty superior attitude. You must be very full of yourself.

That's the problem with folks who's only purpose in life is to tell others how to live: they're full of themselves.

What would have been wrong with making it the choice of the establishment owner? Couldn't non-smokers have made the CHOICE to go to a non-smoking establishment? That would have kept everyone happy. But no. No, you had to have the world forced into the retentive little world inside your head.

Again, I'm glad that YOU'RE happy. Because it's your world and us smokers are just here by your good graces, right?

:eyes:

[LordJFT]

39. Your the one who's full of yourself

You implied that the poster before you was selfish because they disagreed with YOUR position. My response was to point out that our position isn't simply a selfish one, we care about the many innocent people that are killed by second-hand smoke. And your argument about leaving it to the establishment owner is weak, and frankly a right-wing talking point: don't let the big bad government make restrictions on people. Should building codes and inspections be abolished and everyone just go into public buildings at their own risk? Should the FDA stop inspecting tomatoes for Salmonella and just let stores choose what tomatoes they buy and people buy them at their own risk?

[ixion]

44. no, I posited a solution that would have satisfied both requirements

unless, of course, these 'innocents' of which you speak hang around in bars.

I'm willing to work towards a compromise, because non-smokers are not the only people in the world, although they think otherwise. Total bans, however, are not a compromise, but a decree. And I really can't support decrees of any type (right or left) in a free society.

[LordJFT]

48. Actually there was a compromise

At least in New York State. Bars and other businesses that could prove that 10% or more of their sales come from tobacco products were allowed to permit smoking.

[roguevalley]

67. given your flip attitude in your post, yeah, it was easy to think you

don't care. since smokers have had their way for 500 years, its our turn not to be enveloped in your addiction. god, get over yourself.

[sellitman]

51. Bogus?

You think its your right to subject others with your nasty habit? Bars and restaurants should be made to cater to the bulk of humanity, not the addicted , smelly minority who care more for themselves than others. I travel for a living and the States that have full bans have lost no business from their bans. Folks who would never frequent a smokey smelly bar are now able to enjoy themselves along with the smokers who must now go outside to smoke.

[LanternWaste]

86. Well, I'm happy too.

"But YOU'RE happy, so that's all that matters."

Well, I'm happy about the bands too. Odd that, coming from a smoker-- but there it is.

[Clovis Sangrail]

22. seems like that *is the popular attitude here

I'm an ex-smoker and I don't think the bans (at least the ones I've dealt with) are very fair.
I've dealt with them before and after I quit smoking and my feelings about them haven't really changed.

One place I used to drink got around it by selling cigars.
The people who liked to smoke went there.. if you didn't like smoke you went elsewhere.
:shrug:

As for the shit in your shoe comment.. it's a private business.
It's not your living room.

[roguevalley]

68. well, given that this is an addiction that kills a lot of people, rather

like other addictions, why should the greater society who doesn't smoke accommodate this addiction like it was some kind of monumental good? Its not banned but its a fading choice among the greater society. As I don't want to see people inject heroin, so I don't want to be around smoking. I have to use two hands to count the members of my family that have died of cancer caused by smoking. So what if its a choice? The greater society CHOOSES to boot you outside or else the laws would have failed. Flail in the fading acceptance of smoking all you want. You are just feeling what non-smokers have felt about smoking for 500 years. Tit for tat. RV, who remembers people smoking in grocery stores.

[greenbriar]

24. I don't like it

lets ban too much perfume

how about banning twinkies


car exhaust


the list is endless

[tired_old_fireman]

33. I hate that argument.

This argument reminds me of people opposing gay marriage because it means people will soon be able to marry their dogs. It doesn't.

Where I live, smoking has been banned for almost a decade. Twinkies and perfume are still legal. So, don't worry.

[TomInTib]

38. And guitars played out-of-tune and pretentious vocalists.

That's the shit that really bothers me.

[pnwmom]

57. Car exhaust is controlled in most states. Not yours? n/t

[Occam Bandage]

74. When you eat Twinkies, I don't get fat.

Nor do my clothes smell like Twinkie for days.

[LanternWaste]

87. Cost benefit analysis.

Cost benefit analysis.

[fortyfeetunder]

28. I agree with you

I am elated to live in a state where smoking is banned in restaurants. I don't get as many colds ending up with bronchitis and I can enjoy being out and about.

[alarimer]

31. I completely agree.

They have banned smoking in restaurants here but not bars (yet). At first this was a law proposed by the city council. Well, the pro-smoking types didn't like that so they demanded that it be put to popular vote, thinking they would win. Well they could not have been more wrong. They lost big time. The ultimate vote was something like 3 to 1 in favor of the ban.

My view on this is that the employees of restaurants or bars are entitled to safe and clean working conditions, just like everybody else. Besides, governments (usually with bars and restaurants it's the city) have the right to regulate the food in restaurants and other conditions, why should they not have the ability to regulate the air quality indoors? If they can do it in office buildings, they can do it for bars and restaurants. I see no difference there.

Aside from the possible health effects, smoking is just disgusting. And having it around food is just really, really gross. And don't tell me I can just go somewhere else. That is not always possible.

[K8-EEE]

35. Especially nice to hear music without

Having to wash all you clothes twice the next day!!

I think the nature of smoke -- you can't really keep it to yourself, it's pervasive, if you smoke everyone does, it's pretty obvious that the people who want clean air should win that argument.

[Lisa0825]

36. I LOVE IT!!!!

I used to feel so awful at the end of a night out - eyes red and itchy, throat hoarse, etc. Sometimes I would need to stand outside a while just for my eyes to get fresh air. I was not thinking about the ban at all the first night I went out after it was in effect. At the end of the night I felt so good! Then my friend who is a smoker made a comment, and I realized that the clean air is why I was so perky!

I love to see bands play, and now I love it even more because I am not rubbing my eyes and feeling like crap when I go out.

[SoCalDem]

41. Separate is nice.. we don't have any options here

but I'm happy for you.. that you are happy.. Please keep going to those bars a LOT.. they can use the business ..

around here, a lot of them closed down, and we have lost several resaturants too ..

The irony? most of the staff/owners of the places were smokers and did not object to the "working conditions"..nor did most of their regular customers..

Most of the bar owners just wanted to be ALLOWED to choose, but the ones who wanted to ban it completely knew that they would suffer, so they pushed for the total ban..and it passed, so many bars sat empty or closed down, and bartenders/waitresses who used to get lots of tip money...well Walmart's always hiring:eyes:

[Lisa0825]

46. I don't think the bars in the Houston area seem less crowded at all.

The smokers just go outside every 30 minutes like they do at work.

[SoCalDem]

47. My friend is a bartender, and he says that people are drinking less(tipping less)

Law prevents you from taking a cup/glass outside, so if you leave your table, it gets cleared, and probably taken by someone else, if it's busy..so they just have a quick drink, meet their friends, then stop at a store for beer/whatever and go to someone's house to drink & watch the game.. he says his bar is now a "meet-up" place..one drink, small tip, and they leave in a group..

Large screen TVs in homes coincided with the ban here, so there's a lot more "house partying" going on..The upside? It;s much cheaper than going to a bar...

Here's hoping all the "antis" pack those bars & leave big tips:)

[alarimer]

56. The economy overall might be having an effect on bars too.

4 dollar beer versus 4.99 for a six-pack (or whatever the prices are).

[Clovis Sangrail]

62. 6 packs are like $8-10 now

unless you're drinking imitation beer (Bud et al) in which case a pint isn't $4 at the bar.

[SoCalDem]

72. Our bowling alley sells Corona at $3.50 per bottle

I drink water, so it does not affect me though :)

[Manifestor_of_Light]

91. Fitzgerald's lost my business before the smoking ban went into effect.

I called them last fall about a band I wanted to see. They still had smoking allowed there. So I avoided a sinus infection. If I am around smokers I get a sinus infection exactly two days later, which requires a trip to the doctor, antibiotics, etc.

Back in the late 80s my ex hubby tried to nag me to death. I had a total physical collapse. I got life threatening bacterial pneumonia (from non-pathogenic bacteria, no less) and my doctor had to wash my lungs out under general anesthesia four times in five years, so I wouldn't drown in my own pus (sorry to be so gross). My immune system was completely gone and it took me a long time to recover. I still have allergic asthma, use prescription inhalants, prescription eye drops for my red eyes, and take decongestants.

My parents smoked when I was a little kid. I think my sinus and lung problems all go back to my parents smoking when I was a small child. They both quit by the time I was nine or ten, but the damage was done.

[roguevalley]

69. they did this in Anchorage and the news said attendance in places

went up.

[Radical Activist]

42. I also appreciate my right to breathe in public places.

I have asthma and allergic reactions to cigarette smoke. I also spend more time going out and stay out longer now that I don't have to leave when the constant sneezing and difficulty breathing gets to be too much. Now that I'm used to the smoking ban here I can't stand to be in smoking bars in other cities. I leave after one drink if I stay at all.

I'm happy to give smokers the right to smoke anywhere provided they can keep their smoke within one foot of themselves at all times and not let it drift in my direction.

[bluesmail]

45. Where did you get an idea like that? I admit I only skimmed

your piece. Growing up both my parents smoked, it was the last thing I smelled in the evening and the first thing I smelled in the morning. Ergo Neither me nor my two brothers smoke. I don't understand what would motivate a person to do that. When I was in Jr High my friend suggested using a cigarette as practice for smoking a joint. Bleck. Bad Idea, but I was a success at smoking pot! HA!

[grace0418]

49. I agree. The thing that is so funny to me is just to consider it in another context.

For instance, what if something I *really* enjoyed doing at home was taking dried cow patties and setting fire to them. Would all those people who hate smoking bans support my "right" to bring my dried cow shit into a bar and set fire to it? Even if the cow shit smelled like, well, shit and made them sick? Even if it cost them hundreds of dollars in dry-cleaning bills and possibly even more in medical bills? Would they be okay being told that "nobody was forcing them to go to these places" and to "just stay home if they didn't like it"?

Or would they instead be really pissed off that someone brought dried cow shit into a public place and set fire to it, ruining everyone else's good time?

If I started dancing on the crowded dance floor with my flaming turd and accidentally burned a hole in someone's jacket (or even their arm), would they be okay with that? Because I had it happen to me with cigarettes on several occasions before the smoking ban, and each time the person acted like "what's the big deal?"

Oh, yeah and what about concerts? Would everyone who hates the smoking ban so much be okay if they stood in line for a general admission show for several hours to get a spot close to the stage, only to have me blaze up my cow shit two songs into the opening act? I mean, no one is forcing them to stand there! They can move to the back, away from the stench, right? So what if they waited for hours to get up front, it's MY RIGHT to blaze up my cow shit!

[axollot]

50. I'm in FL and the county I live in has had it for the 6 yrs I've been -

--in this county. I'm a smoker too, don't smoke inside, the garage is the closet thing to an indoor smoking area otherwise it's outside.

Even as a smoker (not to mention - I'm totally OVER the bar scene, have been over it by the time I was 21 since I could drink at 18 in Australia) going into clubs where the smoke was so thick you could cut it with a knife, only gave me a headache. Couldn't imagine what it is like for non-smokers.

Glad where ever you live has caught up with the 21st century!

Cheers
Sandy

[roody]

53. Agreement here.

I love to go dancing at a bar---in California!

[taterguy]

63. Smoking's banned in California bars?

No wonder I couldn't find any ashtrays when I visited.

[kineneb]

89. has been for years

bars, restaurants, and other public places.

[donco6]

55. I'm really trying to quit.

The ban here in Colorado helps a lot.

[SidDithers]

59. I don't think you'll find that "not so popular" here...nt

Sid

[BlooInBloo]

64. Are you kidding? DUers LOVE bitching at smokers.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

70. It's somewhat understandable, from a public nuisance standpoint

But when they start in with the "we need to ban it for your own good and because it makes my health insurance rates go up" crap I get a little irritated. Some of the Health Police don't want to stop there. Fat people are to be demonized and there needs to be a hefty tax on junk food. Because gawd knows the wage slaves don't get soaked enough. :sarcasm:

[bunnies]

73. You can say that again.

Smokers are the root of all evil around here. :eyes:

Perfectly fine that I cant take a pee without choking on some girls nasty toxic hairspray. But smokers? Off with their heads!

[varkam]

80. Shit, amen to that.

Perfectly fine that I cant take a pee without choking on some girls nasty toxic hairspray.

:thumbsup:

[mokawanis]

65. as a smoker

I don't object to bans in public places. I smoke where and when it's legal, and in those cases people who don't like it are wasting their time, and more importantly, mine, by complaining. When the day comes when I'm told I can't smoke in my own home or my car then I will put up a fight and at the least will just smoke anyway.

As for people who complain about the smell when I'm not even smoking, well fuck them. My clothes smell like smoke and that offends them? Fuck off, I don't care. When someone at work complained about my hanging my jacket in the same room she hung hers I laughed and told her to brainstorm the problem and find her own solution.

Bottom line - I comply with smoking rules and laws but I will not be respectful or compliant to those who complain about my smoking when I'm not in violation of those laws. Fair enough?

[Prophet 451]

71. Speaking as a smoker...

I live in Britain, we had a ban on smoking in all enclosed public spaces go into effect late last year.

Having to go outside for a smoke is a minor annoyance but one that most of us will put up with for the sake of the general health. See, I think this is the misunderstanding. Most of us are prepared to be reasonable and compromise. Here, most bars have now set up "smoker's patios" (essentially, a big piece of roofing plastic on stilts). Since it's open on all sides, the smoke just blows away so it's not a danger to the wait staff. You're not allowed to take glasses out of the pub but the patio counts as a beer garden so that's legal. Minor irritation on cold days but one we can live with. According to the city council, it hasn't made a lot of difference to the income of bars.

Personally, I try not to smoke around non-smokers (although if you come into my office, you take your chances). Again, it's a minor annoyance. I don't know about you but my life is filled with minor annoyances, at least this one has a good reason to it.

[Bluzmann57]

76. It is not a business issue

It is a health issue. I do not care to breathe in someone's crappy air because they have to smoke. Now to be clear, I am a former smoker, so I am likely a more self righteous asshole than those who have never smoked.
And as far as a solution, I have one, at least in Iowa, where I live. If minors are allowed in, there will be no smoking or sale of tobacco products. Period. This will save the small "corner bar" type of places which are a staple of small towns everywhere. And it will save the rest of us from all that second hand smoke.

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[mokawanis]

83. A meeting with a stranger in a public park

I was in a large public park and walked off the sidewalk about 20 feet to have a smoke when a man I did not know approached me and said "excuse me, but I find your smoking very offensive". I smiled at him and said "really? See if you find this offensive - get the fuck away from me right now".

Suffice it to say he got the fuck away from me right away. My point is if there's going be smoking bans in place I will comply but if I'm smoking in an area where it's allowed I will verbally abuse anyone who's stupid enough to approach and engage me on the subject.

And I love the post immediately above this one...:)

[Fumesucker]

84. I have never smoked

And I don't like bars not because they are full of smokers, but rather because they are full of people deliberately turning themselves into assholes..


"The second purpose of alcohol is to bring out the hidden asshole in everyone" -Robin Williams

[NNN0LHI]

85. Me too

I smoke like a fiend but I can now finally go out to a restaurant and eat a smoke free meal which is my preference. I like that a lot. I won't smoke or let other people smoke in my house. Been that way for over ten years.

Going to the bar is a different story. I used to go up town and have a beer and a have smoke at one of the local watering holes. But not now. Just as soon come home and drink a beer and have a smoke outside. No biggie.

Don

[RFKJrNews]

88. Ah yes, separate but equal

We've heard that argument in American history before...and y'know, that idea didn't work out so well.

I'm just sayin'...