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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 07:49 PM
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Big PC...my dad...lemme talk about him for 28 hours with ya...
Edited on Sun Jun-15-08 07:51 PM by PCIntern
Ya know...I'm all for adulation of the older generation - they accomplished a tremendous amount and survived hardships which most of us cannot imagine.

No buts. They did. That being said, I want to refresh some with a movie plot and ask; does this sound familiar?

In "Peggy sue got Married", Kathleen Turner passes out and travels back in time to her youth at which time and place she reconnects with all of her friends and family. during the early part of the movie she talks seemingly incessantly about going to see her grandfather...the fount of all wisdom. When she finally does see him and asks what he would do differently in life, he remarks to her that "...he would probably take better care of my teeth."

I relate this NOT because I am a dentist, but because our remembrances of our parents, family, and friends are thru rose-colored glasses and it's very nice for us to have these memories which help us and shape us...but are they different from anyone else's memories in terms of profundity, in terms of insight, or in terms of emotionality?

During the past couple of days, we have been treated to a real retrospective of Tim Russert's life with his Dad...I haven't heard word one about his mother, but there may well be a reason or reasons for that. Last night, MSNBC replayed an interview with Tim, I feel I can call him Tim because he's like a 'friend' to me, ( :sarcasm: ) and in that interview he said, more or less, that when his father called a politician a 'phony', then Tim knew that that guy or gal was finished in terms of his or her quest for election.

Now I don't know about you, but I was not exactly overwhelmed by the originality of the statement nor of the underwhelming profundity thereof, but in fact I believe that tim's dad said the same thing that most dads say when they don't like a politician and feel that he or she is being disingenuous. I mean to say: this utterance was not exactly Churchillian, nor quite frankly, would I expect it to be. but Tim's relating of this presupposes that his father was special that his father had profoundly important feelings and opinions. And he did have those things: For Tim. And Tim's family. And I understand that completely and am duly impressed.

But I feel that I have been subjected to the second Coming of George Bernard Shaw or Ward Cleaver or someone else in the past few days. I had a Dad too: he was brilliant, lacked some social graces, but was a pragmatic soul who understood human behavior on the individual level as well as the societal, who understood religion, politics, and history like few I have ever met, and he was a Postal Worker. He was a Postal worker because when he came back from four years in the Philippines and the Pacific he was a shell of a man and he needed to reintroduce himself back into society slowly since he survived a terrible ordeal. He took a government job and never left it...earned 7 Masters Degrees and was also, believe it or not, employed at a second full-time job DURING THE DAY. The Post Office was for nights...remarkable man.

His insights were remarkable and he was helpful to many with whom he worked and studied and was highly regarded as an eccentrically bright guy...and he died essentially broke and alone in a hospital. I was the only one who came to see him and it was very very sad. It still is.

See, we all had fathers, we just didn't have a platform upon which to write a best-selling book about his sayings and his vagaries. I resented the implication, not stated directly, that Big Russ was supposed to be special for me as well...he's not. he's the Dad of Tim, he's now suffered the greatest tragedy any parent can possibly suffer, and I grieve for him as an individual. I also grieve for all those who have died and been injured in this horrible, unnecessary war, and there are no 30 hours of MSNBC, NBC, CNN, CBS,ABC,or FOX specials to delineate all the tragedies which this ill-conceived war has spawned. we are beset with flooding and there is no sign of any administration Official rushing to the aid of these people because there are no more elections which involve this Administration. There are hundreds of thousands of people, all of whom have or had Dads who spent Father's Day seeing their lives destroyed by flood waters. It is a tragedy beyond the comprehension of most if not all of us and here we sit, talking about one man whose passing was a surprise to us. What of the surprise of those who saw their houses floating down the newly-created rivers in the Midwest? It eclipses the '"Big Story" of the weekend in extremis.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 07:57 PM
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1. I, for one, always thought all of that "Big Russ" business was horse-shit.
He couldn't hold a candle to my Dad, who is 77 years old and is in Mexico right now, building orphanages with his own money and hands.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 07:59 PM
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3. Cool! My dad tutors kids who are struggling in school
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 08:01 PM
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4. So does my Mother.
She actually does it out of a sense of Community.

And she loves it.

She taught me to read when I was two years old.

Good for your Dad, GPV.

Tom
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 08:08 PM
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7. Yeah, he'll take on kids other people don't want to even try working with. *proud* And how
cool is your mom? Gotta love education-minded families.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 08:04 PM
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6. Russert said:
“I have learned so much from Big Russ, and I feel so grateful to him, that I wanted to write a book about the two of us, and also about the other important teachers in my life, who have reinforced Dad’s lessons and taught me a few new ones… I hope this book will encourage readers to think about the things they learned from their father. Whatever we achieve and whoever we are, we stand on their shoulders.

I don't think he was attempting to proclaim his dad as the best ever, none to compare.

Your dad sounds wonderful (but mine is better ;) )!

:toast: to ALL the ass kickin' dads!
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 08:17 PM
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8. yes and no...
He was praising with faint damns.

It's like writing a best-selling self-help book on assertiveness. You're helping everyone take command of their lives...but telling everyone that you are the Master of Assertiveness...Don't Screw With Me.

Or something like that...you expect me to think on a Sunday night before the monday onslaught?

:hi:
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XtraProudDem Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:15 PM
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20. Wow - this is a new one...
Edited on Sun Jun-15-08 10:18 PM by XtraProudDem
A "MY Dad is more progressive than YOUR Dad" pissing contest!

I guess it's appropriate for Father's Day.

Not to diminish the remarkable accomplishements of your father, but Big Russ' son just died.

Maybe a tiny bit of compassion?

No?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 02:58 PM
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31. No.
My ex-girlfriend is very close to Russert's wife, Maureen.

She will be with friends and family at the service.

But I have no compassion for the Enemy or the Enemy's families.

Tim Russert was not on Our Side.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:54 PM
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34. I give no quarter to the enemy...
they are formidable and omnipresent.

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 07:58 PM
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2. your dad sounds like a remarkable man
Seven degrees!

Maybe we should have a thread of stories about our remarkable dads who will never be celebrated except that some others here might see their stories.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 08:02 PM
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5. I guess it's OK if everyone (who wants to) thinks they had the best dad.
And you're right about that older generation.
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 08:25 PM
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9. Good Rant, PCIntern!
I can't get passed the fact that Russert was part of the pile-on that took down Al Gore; hence we get "W" and the Iraq war. How come Big Russ didn't tell his son Tim, that Bush was a phony?

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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 08:26 PM
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10. glad you said that...
Edited on Sun Jun-15-08 08:26 PM by PCIntern
I was afraid that I was gonna get piled on here if I took it one step further. Also, I wan't really trying to 'go after' his politics...they are well-known here...it was this issue which bothered me.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 08:37 PM
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11. And Tim Russert honors his dad...By putting him in a nursng facility 2 weeks prior?
Edited on Sun Jun-15-08 08:39 PM by gatorboy
Hapy Father's Day, dad!
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 08:41 PM
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12. It's an assisted living facility.
And the community and standard of care in the good ones is bar none. Many eldery thrive in a community of their peers.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:25 PM
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13. If I had the kinda money Timmeh did...
Edited on Sun Jun-15-08 09:31 PM by ingac70
and Big Russ was my Daddy, he'd be home with me and a sitter or private nurse to cater to his every whim.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:28 PM
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14. Thank You!
With Russerts money, he could've easily given his father very comfortable home care. It only makes his gushing for Big Russ seem...Kinda fake.

It sells books though, huh?
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:33 PM
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15. Makes me ill!
:puke:
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:34 PM
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16. And keep him isolated from peers?
I've got some experience with those assisted living centers, they're a fantastic environment for a lot of people.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:38 PM
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17. I'd take him to go see his friends...
or have his sitter do it. No reason he couldn't still be social.

I've worked in nursing homes and assisted living facilities, and most would rather not be there, no matter how fancy.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:30 PM
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24. exactly
nursing homes for your parents are a LAST RESORT. Unless of course you make millions and could give a crap about them.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 12:10 AM
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26. Assisted living is not necessarily a nursing home
We looked into quite a few of them for my Grandfather (he didn't want to live with us) and there were some that were so jam packed with fun activities and ritzy touches that I told my husband I wanted to go to some of these places when I got older.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 03:52 PM
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33. This definitely makes me go, "Hmmm...".
And what IS the story with Tim's mother?
Never a whisper about the woman.
Strange.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:43 PM
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19. Big Russ didn't want to go to the home...
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XtraProudDem Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:19 PM
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21. Nice.
What do you know about Russert's Dad's medical condition or mental state?

I thought so.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:25 PM
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23. And you know more?
Enlighten us! *checks watch*
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:02 PM
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25. ....
I know from this video Big Russ didn't want to go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHRpkOHmSNU&feature=related
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Maureen1322 Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 05:32 AM
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30. I had to put my dad in a nursing facility because his health had failed.
I don't think you have any clue as to how much pain that caused our family.
The guilt was overwhelming. Have you had any experience in making such a decision?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:40 PM
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18. Happy to give this the 5th recommendation. Well said, PC.
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Carnea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:21 PM
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22. My dad drinks and watches golf .
Hey he did his time. Raised four kids none of which are in Prison. I figure he has done his time and deserves to be happy.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 12:17 AM
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27. "The best thing about being a dentist. Pure pharmaceutical grade. Couple of lines of this, ...."
"The best thing about being a dentist. Pure pharmaceutical grade. Couple of lines of this, I could drill my own teeth."

:evilgrin:
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:32 AM
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28. I knew a couple dentists like that...
didn't last in the profession until they were 30...convicted and OUT!

The authorities do not fool around with these idiots, beieve me.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 05:07 AM
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29. I thought all that gushing was very odd
Not one word about his mom, or his sisters. Like they didn't exist. I did, however, limit my exposure to the whole thing, so maybe I missed a gem or two?

Personally I think there is something weird about it all, like someone with low self-esteem propping up someone else who has low-self-esteem. Dysfunctional.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 03:26 PM
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32. My 80 yr. old Dad and Mom won't be home today
They are volunteering at the local hospice, just like they've done for the last fifteen years or so.

Dad, who's had four major heart surgeries, including a quadruple bypass, who lost a kidney last spring due to cancer, and Mom, who is a breast cancer survivor.

But none of their five children has a national venue to tout their qualities....
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