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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:30 PM
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From the DLC website..March 21, 2003. "A New Kind of Warfare."
We can not forget articles like this. We can not forget how many influences were working behind the scenes encouraging our Democrats to vote for the Iraq War Resolution.

Idea of the Week: A New Kind of Warfare

The first act of the war in Iraq was an important indicator that a different kind of campaign was underway: a cruise missile attack aimed at "decapitating" the regime and achieving a quick and relatively bloodless victory based on the paralysis that is likely to seize a totalitarian police state when the Maximum Leader and his closest aides are out of commission.

While the effectiveness of the "decapitation" strategy is unclear, it is clear the world is witnessing the first really full-scale field test of what has been called the "revolution in military affairs." Its fundamental principle is a new kind of warfare in which overwhelming technological superiority makes it possible to achieve military and political objectives in an extraordinarily swift and narrowly targeted manner. Its tools -- smart bombs, satellite-guided cruise missiles, vastly expanded special ops units, infantrymen with PDAs, pervasive access to Global Positioning Systems -- obviously contribute to military tactics on the ground and in the air. That's why our armed forces are able to take on a much larger mission than in the first Gulf War with far fewer troops. But military transformation also makes it possible to win battles by psychological means as well as by bombs and bullets, as reflected in the sustained efforts of U.S. officials from the president and the defense secretary on down to field commanders to convince Iraqi soldiers and citizens to surrender. Call it an effort to achieve victory by satellite broadcast and by cell phone.


This strategy was also called the shock and awe strategy. The use of the word "decapitation" is in itself shocking. Lest you have any doubt that this group basically approved this war, read on.

It's too early to tell if this strategy will work, but it shows the United States is beginning to modify the Powell Doctrine of "overwhelming force" that was in turn developed in reaction to the perceived failure of "limited war" during the Vietnam era. And it also illuminates the gap between Americans who understand it's now possible to win wars without massive civilian casualties, and Europeans who still think of the use of force as an all-or-nothing proposition that inherently taints victory with oceans of the blood of innocents. For the foreseeable future, the world community's collective security will continue to depend on a credible threat of military force against aggressors and evildoers. That threat becomes more credible as military force itself becomes more nimble, selective and decisive.

We've long promoted the "revolution in military affairs" and its potentially transformative effects.


I wonder if they would like to revisit those words now.

Just before the vote in October 2003, the New Dem Dispatch dispatched this memo to its members.

A Time for Resolve

October 3, 2002.

Today Congress is expected to begin formal debate on a resolution authorizing the President to use military force against Iraq if that regime does not radically change its behavior. We're proud that our chairman, Sen. Evan Bayh (IN), and two of our former chairmen, Sen. Joe Lieberman (CT), and House Democratic Leader Dick Gephardt (MO), took the lead in ensuring bipartisan support for an approach that will give the President the authority he needs to take the next steps toward Iraq, while reflecting the belief of the American people that we should seek the broadest possible international support.


But then in the next breath they urge a vote against Levin's amendment to require UN approval before troops could be committed.

Although the scope of the debate on an Iraq resolution is still unclear, it appears the Senate may consider an alternative resolution by Senate Armed Service Committee Chairman Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) that would require specific U.N. approval before U.S. troops could be committed to a military action. We urge Democrats and Republicans alike to reject this alternative. As former President Clinton reminded his listeners in a speech to the British Labour Party annual conference yesterday, the United States and the United Kingdom were forced to act without U.N. approval in Kosovo because Russia used its veto power to prevent any resolutions in the Security Council. Much as we hope for effective U.N. and international support for dealing with Saddam Hussein, we cannot make such support a precondition for action.

But we also urge the White House, now that strong bipartisan support for a use-of-force resolution is assured, to avoid playing party politics with the Congressional debate.


They started the attacks on those who spoke out against the war, using the words fringe activists and calling them out of touch and too liberal.

Lately I have been criticized when I post things about holding our Democrats responsible when they stand too much with the right wing. I hear a lot about how Democrats in red states must behave differently.

My philosophy is that if you ignore such things they will repeat them...and drums are beating for Iran now.

This group, the Democratic Leadership Council, was formed to win Southern red states. That was their goal.

We ended up in a tragic war with no end in sight. They were trying to be strong on national security. Now we are far weaker and far more vulnerable.

Howard Dean's campaign met the beginning of the end when he spoke up in December 2003, saying we were no safer with Saddam gone.

I will let Jimmy Breslin say it, he does it far better than I can. The article is archived, but I have it saved. He pointed out the utter hypocrisy of the attacks on Dean at that time.

No safer with Saddam in Slammer

January 2, 2004

First, the other day, Howard Dean, candidate for president, said he didn't think that the capture of Saddam Hussein made us any safer in America. The other politicians screamed that he was un-American

..."On the day he was found, an American soldier was killed. After that, 10 more were killed in a week. The Homeland Security raised the alert to orange. Planes coming to New York from Paris, London and Mexico were canceled. New Year's Eve in Times Square was a neon arsenal."

...."Of course we were no safer with Saddam in a detention pen. And Dean was a miserable traitor for saying this, his opponents raged.


Howard Dean then said that maybe he was old-fashioned but he didn't think you could judge or punish Osama bin Laden until you had a trial and found him guilty. That was as controversial as saying that when it rains in Queens, the Van Wyck Expressway gets wet. But suddenly, the Democratic candidates said the statement was atrociously unpatriotic. How can this man Dean say that bin Laden deserves a trial? They said that this was a perfect illustration of Dean talking without thought. And completely un-American, too.


Breslin further mentioned that the consultants from the Democratic leadership took to the airwaves to condemn. He gave this example from Joe Lockhart...about learning to play the game.

"It's the unplanned, offhand comments that often seem to play a critical role. You've got to be able to become a master of the game, not someone who just rails against the game."


Master of the game? Let all those "masters of the game" go on TV now and tell us how safe we are, how much better off we are.

We are there because Democrats failed to take a stand because they were trying to win in red states, not by standing up and saying who we are as Democrats....but by trying to be like the Republicans so as not to offend.

Sound familiar?




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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:35 PM
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1. Let's remember who is on the Leadership Team
and who keynoted their convention last year. This wasn't all because of the red state Dems.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:45 PM
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4. Actually...now that you mentioned it. I had forgotten
who did. I guess it is apt. It is TN Dems who are suspicious of Obama and terrorists and here was last year's speaker

Yep, I would post the leaders' pictures, but I can't get to my photo site right now.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:56 PM
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5. Oops, it was just a "special appearance"
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:57 PM
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6. Yep, you are right.
Those are the leaders.

:hi:
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:35 PM
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2. Note the Participation Of Chicken Hawk Joementum Limpmann
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:37 PM
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3. I'm aware of our poison pill.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:01 PM
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7. Oh hell you say. And here I thought it was all **Tim Russert's ** fault,
da bastid!


K & R.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 02:31 AM
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19. what are you, a comedian?
I get your 'amusing' point, but are you implying that he didn't have much influence (along with his fellow poseur journos who WOULD NOT ALLOW any sort of meaningful dialogue involving opponents of the incipient criminal madness to appear, and make their points the the American public?)

if you think the media wasn't AT LEAST as culpable as the monsters who brought this on the world, you're not as smart as you think you are. But you're clearly smarter than Bill Moyers, I'll bet, so you might be able to figure out why Russert dissembled his quickly shrinking ass off during their conversation regarding media failure/complicity during the run up.

have you seen that show? have you seen, specifically, the youtube clip that's been linked here many times in the last few days?

if you haven't you ought to take the time to look for it.....maybe I'll help a friend and see if I can find it

course, if you were just being a jokester, then none of this was necessary.....

here...what an asshole he is, I mean, was

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfqr7qLBQJ4
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:13 PM
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8. I will never ever forget. or change my mind about this.
Though I am represented by a Blue Dog and I completely understand how this happened, that doesn't make it okay. I will not accept that there was no other way to "show that you are strong on defense" or no way that you could vote no on the IWR and then make it clear to your constituents that a No vote is stronger on defense than a Yes vote.

I continue to think of all of the Democrats who got this vote right. There are plenty of reactionaries to get mad after something goes bad, but darned few proactionaries to protect us from bad decisions before they're made.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:47 PM
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12. I won't change my mind either. Hell there were nine year old kids who got this right
And they and their parents showed up in force to protest the damn war.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 08:09 AM
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23. September 2002. I was there with 9 friends.
We've been back, with several dozen more friends, a few times since.

This last couple of years I've been staying home; still doing our thing here every week, but I'm starting to feel a need for that atmosphere generated by 10s of thousands (by conservative estimates) of Freedom Loving members of the counter culture.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:22 PM
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9. k&r
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:28 PM
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10. "Party Cannibals" from The Nation 2005
This article has always intrigued me. This group has divided our party more than most realize. Even when they are silent there is stuff going on behind the scenes.

Party Cannibals

Would that it were so honest and in the open when it came to fighting Democrats. The main problem with the DLC is not that its ideology mirrors the Republicans'. It is that its tactics do. At the DLC's annual convention this year, From ("his voice intense with emotion," according to the New York Times) said, "The DLC has saved the Democratic Party once, and we're bound to do it again." As the battle heats up between party centrists and progressives for the

February 12 election for Democratic Party chair, a glance at the DLC's history shows that From's definition of "saving" looks a whole lot like that of the field commanders who thought they'd rescue Vietnamese villages by sanctioning their destruction.

Consider what happened in 1995, when the DLC's Progressive Foundation, angry that so few DLC-ers were nominated to high positions in the Clinton Administration and at Clinton's full-on push for universal healthcare, inaugurated something called the "Third Way" project. The DLC's historian, Kenneth Baer, in his book Reinventing Democrats, says, "There is some evidence that this project was to be the beginning of a third party movement." DLC funder Michael Steinhardt even approached a senator to run against Clinton in the 1996 primaries.

It might seem strange that the DLC would cut itself loose from Bill Clinton, the very figure around which it now defines its identity. Par for the course, actually. The DLC claims politicians as its own when it suits it, jettisoning them when it doesn't, all the time and without remorse--just look what happened to Howard Dean.

In fact, the DLC was born in contempt for the decisions of the Democratic Party.


The article says their tactics mirror those of the Republicans and are often directed against their own.

It was built on the model of the Heritage Foundation (From and Marshall consulted Heritage's director, Ed Feulner, for advice)--not as an honest brokerage for research but as a factory for marketing policy positions arrived at in advance (and disseminated in a magazine then called the Mainstream Democrat). Then, in preparation to influence the 1992 presidential race, the DLC formed chapters in every state with a major primary, in order, said Reed, to "create the illusion of a national movement." Lovely, no?




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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 08:22 AM
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24. They think "the third way" is acting like the powers that be until SUDDENLY at the "Right" moment
, presto chango, you "do the right thing" for the Opposition. They ignore the fact that doing what the Wrongs do increases the inertia of the factors that one must act against when one does decide to do the Right thing, not only does the mass of what you have to act against make success of Right Action less likely, it also warps Right Action itself so that it isn't, in fact, the truly Right thing to do, but only a REACTION to the preponderance of factors on the other side. Simply put, your options to define the Right course decline the longer you wait.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 08:41 AM
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25. best article on DLC for beginners:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:44 PM
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11. Found a Jimmy Breslin link that has that above and more.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:51 PM
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13. "The Democratic Leadership Council's agenda
is indistinguishable from the Republican Neoconservative agenda,"
Dennis Kucinich
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 08:58 AM
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26. The DLC is intended to remove Populism from politics
and leave us with a two party system where both parties represent the same values...those being corporate conservative values, with no party left to represent the people. The DLC is precisely why we are left scratching our heads and wondering WHY this Congress infected by BGlue Dog/DLC Democrats doesn't go after Republican criminality. Two peas in a pod is what they are. Reject the DLC at every opportunity and reclaim the Democratic Party for the people.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:40 PM
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40. ABSOLUTELY DEAD ON!!!, mrone2
Edited on Mon Jun-16-08 01:42 PM by bertman
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 03:24 PM
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45. absofrigginlutely.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 12:41 AM
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14. .
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:01 AM
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15. Wham. What a beatdown - using entirely their own words. Thanks, k&r.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:03 AM
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16. just great.
Another Heritage Foundation - spinning the Democratic party to the right.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:05 AM
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17. k&r !
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Sunnyshine Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 02:18 AM
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18. K&R- WOW! I am sick just reading this & thinking about what it has done. Too familiar.n/t
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 02:34 AM
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20. I hope this will someday become outmoded, but I very much doubt it


what we need is a Third Party Underground

any new Skinners out there?
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 07:57 AM
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21. K&R Warmongers have always been insidious manipulators. I believe that
such activity is treasonous, punishable by death, including anyone who profits from the warmongering: zero tolerance would rid of us of some of these comfortable, sneering evildoers.

NoFederales
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 08:04 AM
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22. K&R
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:10 AM
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27. War makes lots of money for many transnational corporations, and the
reason the DLC exists is to ensure that transnational corporations continue to make lots of money, no matter which party is in power.
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Rudyabdul Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:33 AM
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28. As a Tennesseean...
I was in Harold Ford's district when he was in the House of Rep. I remember how angry and disappointed his constituants were when he voted for the war. When asked about that he had the same attitude as Hillary; He was proud of what he did, he had no remorse, would do it again and all this other bullshit.

When he decided to run for the senate, Ford ran on a conservative platform. The man totally alienated his loyal democratic supporters and was kissing Republican ass trying to get their support.

THAT is why he lost the election, not some ridiculous commercial. Instead of turning his back on his Democratic base he should have looked for commonalities between TN Dems and TN Repbs and base his campaign on that commonality.

Now I hear that he's planning on trying to get his old district back. His chances of winning is slim to none.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:23 AM
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29. He is not one of my favorite people.
I understand your concerns. Do you suppose he is in part behind Nikki Tinker running against Steve Cohen? I have wondered about that. Cohen has seemed like a real progressive.

Welcome to DU
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Rudyabdul Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 11:41 AM
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35. Nikki Tinker
is the protégé of Harold Ford, Jr. She looks nice and dresses nice but she is a twenty-first century corporate mammy.

I agree with you that Cohen seems like a real progressive but the problem is that he is a the white Representative in a district that is 80% African American.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 11:49 AM
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37. That is just about what I thought. That's a shame for Cohen.
Do you think he can win? I wrote this about some attacks on him. It is really upsetting.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1470

If Tinker is Ford's protege, then that is one more thing I don't like about him.
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Rudyabdul Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 02:37 PM
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43. I don't know.
I no longer live in his district but I hear that for some reason people are dissatisfied with him. I don't know whether it's his job performance or his race they don't like.



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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 12:40 PM
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39. what is a corporate mammy?
i am trying to figure out if i should be insulted. no i am insulted. why did u choose this terminology? when i think of how folks use mammy-she is the fat black woman that suckles massa's kids. actually a nanny without getting paid.
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Rudyabdul Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 02:24 PM
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42. Please don't be insulted!
It was not my intention to offend. I'm just calling it how I see it.

What I meant by corporate mammy is Nikki Tinker is a black politican who is a front to the likes of whites that does not have the interests of the 9th district, which is 80% African American, at heart.

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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 06:31 PM
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48. well regardless of color they are referred to as dlc or
corporate shills. if you don't realize how bad that sounded i am bringing it to your attention. her race and sex have nothing to do with her being a politician who doesn't have her constituents best interest at heart. i don't disparage or use racial stereotypes for people of other nationalities and i expect the same respect in return. since no offense was intended, i will take none. but in the future please be mindful that black women are all over this board and i know i don't appreciate that little stereotype. peace.
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Rudyabdul Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 09:29 AM
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49. Noted.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:48 PM
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41. Every time I see Harold Ford on tv I think I'm looking at some reptile
who's about to stick his tongue out and swallow somebody's baby whole. He is one sinister-looking dude.

I had never heard about his IWA vote and conservative platform. Thank you for the enlightenment.

That commercial was REALLY BAD, though.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 03:27 PM
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46. He IS a reptile.
Have you heard the asshole voted for torture?
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:54 AM
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30. Didn't the DLC finance and promote the Cimperman campaign to unseat Kucinich?
Edited on Mon Jun-16-08 10:59 AM by mrone2
I believe I recall reading somewhere, probably here on DU, that they did.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:59 AM
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31. Have I said...
"Fuck the DLC" recently??? And the same goes or the Blue Dogs/Third Way fuckers.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 11:07 AM
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32. The real war is GOP/DLC against the rest of America.
Anybody who is not a RW millionaire is under attack.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 11:10 AM
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33. YES!! The Levin-Reed Amendment! Someone FINALLY talks about it!!
One of the primary reasons for why I could not support Hillary Clinton is because she told us that she did not know what she was voting for when she voted for the IWR. That's simply not true. Why? Because she also voted AGAINST the Levin-Reed Amendment. We cannot afford to have more of the DLC influence our policies within the Democratic party. Triangulation and capitulation gave us a Republican landslide in 1994. The DLC is primarly responsible for that and Traitor Joe is the very embodiment of everything that is wrong with the Democratic party. We can ill afford to continue down this path towards destruction due to the DLC.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 11:33 AM
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34. Kick and recommended -- very important !!!!!
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 11:43 AM
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36. Serious question: can the DLC be rehabilitated, or must it be destroyed?
Edited on Mon Jun-16-08 11:44 AM by speedoo
K&R, and bookmarked.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 12:33 PM
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38. The very foundation of this group calls for a complete rejection and suppression of
Liberal-Progressive ideology in favor of Corporate Conservatism. The DLC should be driven from the Democratic Party and left to join their complicit partners in the GOP. If we are forever tied to the two party system, then we need to have two distinct parties instead of two parties that represent the same interests.

The DLC is for privatizing Social Security, and so it the GOP
The DLC is in favor of trade agreements like NAFTA, and so is the GOP
The DLC is in favor of legislation like the Patriot Act, and so is the GOP
The DLC is in favor of completing our "mission" du' jour in Iraq, and so is the GOP

Why are these DLC'ers and Blue Dogs even in the Democratic Party? Because infiltrating the Democratic Party with like minded corporate conservatives rendering the two party system nothing more than double representation for the same side was the most effective way to take control of the nation.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 02:59 PM
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44. We all know how that turned out, didn't we.
The DLC were a bunch of enablers just like the M$M.


Let's see them eat crow.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:18 PM
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47. "it's now possible to win wars without massive civilian casualties"
Um what're we at now? A million plus! Good thing that there weren't massive civilian casualties!

FMH

-Hoot
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 09:50 AM
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50. Massive is only in the eye of the beholder.
One dead innocent civilian is too much for me.
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