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Up2Late (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 10:58 PM Original message |
Told ya so! REUTERS Video: Water-fuel car unveiled in Japan |
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Lautremont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. I'm sorry, but the water-powered engine was invented in the mid-1970s |
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Up2Late (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Not the same technology, this one take the water into this new unit... |
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Lautremont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I'm afraid I don't have a link - it was in a book called |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. It was a fraud. |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. From the description, it is NOTa "water-fueled" car. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
19. Well said - just another "battery" concept |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
126. I stand corrected -- apparently others got more info than I did. |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
21. Ford and Honda both have a H2 fuel cell on the market |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
4. Pray tell, what energy source is used to split the H2 from the H2O? |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Drop the 'or' phrase. "Some type of catalyst" will not make up for energy input. |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. Thank you for the correction. |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 06:45 AM Response to Reply #7 |
50. Apparently an aluminum alloy works like a catalyst to split water |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 06:52 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. That's different - the fuel there is aluminium |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 07:36 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Thanks. The notion of a recylable 'fuel' is a bit odd but |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #56 |
114. Your brain is on the right track |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 06:55 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. The reaction of metallic sodium with water also generates hydrogen |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #53 |
65. Looks like you were right - they're using metals as fuel |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
104. And where does the energy to refine the aluminum come from? |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #104 |
123. I'm saving my Coke cans. |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #50 |
122. NOOOO!!! Not the aluminum alloy scam again!! |
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Up2Late (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. You would have to ask the people who make this new unit to be sure, but if you want my guess... |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. That can't happen. (laws of thermodynamics and all) |
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Up2Late (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. You are forgetting about the other generating systems that are probably built into this car... |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Sorry, can't invent Perpetual Motion, no matter how smart you are. |
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webDude (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. Physics laws have been broken, and explained later as to the how |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Far less electricity needed still = energy needs to be added. |
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Up2Late (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:14 AM Response to Reply #25 |
36. Very interesting video (the first one), but you know what was most shocking? |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #25 |
124. This has nothing to do with new laws of physics. This idea has been presented many times before. |
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Oak2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
130. The laws of thermodynamics are as ironclad as anything in science |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. That's not possible according to the laws of thermodynamics. The other poster got it right. |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 07:43 AM Response to Reply #16 |
57. it uses about a liter of water a week |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 08:10 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. No, you would need to continue to use electricity to separate the water |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. correct, it gets the follow up electricity from the hydrogen |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Well, if you're claiming it is a nuclear reaction |
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pt22 (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #69 |
96. You are probably urinating into the prevailing advection...the gullibility of some people is |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-17-08 03:30 AM Response to Reply #69 |
132. Yep yep you're right I surrender |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #67 |
121. Nuclear power works on E=MC^2. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #57 |
97. Seperating out H2O into component elements via |
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SergeyDovlatov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
115. Burning Hydrogen (H + 2O = H20) should release ... |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #115 |
120. Heat. The heat isn't useful to make the car move. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 07:00 AM Response to Reply #4 |
54. Magic. (Or electricity.) (NT) |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
8. WATER IS NOT THE ENERGY SOURCE FOR THIS VEHICLE'S PROPULSION |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #8 |
74. I am surprised at the level of NAY-SAYING, I am willing to wait and see. i am not willing to use you... |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. gristy is right, though. See post #65 for the admission by the company president (nt) |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 10:16 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. the water they put in was BLUE... |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 10:20 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. As in ... "blue meanies"? Yellow Submarine? |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #74 |
82. My ignorance. You crack me up. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #74 |
99. Pointing out the law of thermodynamics is *not* naysaying... |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #74 |
108. yes, indeed |
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spag68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
9. water car |
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webDude (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. different electrolyses is FAR more efficient, using pulsed electricity |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. "Brown's Gas"? You ARE kidding, right? |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:50 AM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Here's the problem. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #32 |
81. There are many substitutes for oil |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. There are NO substitutes for oil in the plastics and pharmaceuticals industries |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
110. Dude, take a high school physics class |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
10. so perhaps my next car will be a water car |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
11. It's a good beginning. |
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Up2Late (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. True, but back when the first gasoline powered cars were introduced... |
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spag68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
12. Hydro fuel |
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Up2Late (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. We have an Iceland in the U.S. too, called Hawaii, where I bet they are paying near $6.00 per Gal... |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
131. Actually, we're between 4.10 and 4.35 here on O'ahu |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. I've been toying with the idea |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
111. shipping hydrogen is the problem |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
24. Goodness knows we have an endless supply of clean water. |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. WE, the US |
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Up2Late (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. As they said in the video, it doen't need to be "clean" water, you can use sea water... |
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Buns_of_Fire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:23 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Human urine? Well, okay, but mind the springs on the fuel door! |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #41 |
72. Beer trucks will become the new fuel tankers |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 06:09 AM Response to Reply #24 |
45. Precisely my first thought. |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
30. GOD!! I'm sick of the level of scientific illiteracy that allows people to believe such crap! |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I know. People here lack even High School Level Physics knowledge. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:12 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Ok, but have you seen Who Killed the Electric Car? |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 02:22 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Yes, I did. However... |
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Norrin Radd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 04:52 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. "not enough better"? I'm sick of the level of stylistic illiteracy that allows people to write such |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 06:35 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Your post would have more impact without the question mark |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
88. Nobody is well trained in every discipline. |
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gulfcoastliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #38 |
83. You really think we've discovered everything there is to know about physics? |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. No, but... |
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SergeyDovlatov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #35 |
116. "reputable" source on the internet claimed: |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Toyota lost money selling hybrids for several years. |
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SergeyDovlatov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. No army can stop an idea whose time has come |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
89. perpetual motion jet ski! |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Here's and even better idea. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. you |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-17-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #95 |
133. "I always like going south. Somehow... it feels like going downhill." |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
31. Without a vetted EROI, its just more snake oil |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
37. This cannot work |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 02:27 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. The real giveaway is this... |
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Up2Late (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #37 |
87. Your really don' t understand how the modern fuel cell works, do you? |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Yes, I do understand fuel cells. |
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pt22 (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #87 |
98. It's probably a very good thing you aren't attempting to explain it because |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #87 |
107. Fuel and oxygen go in, energy and by-products like water and CO2 come out |
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Up2Late (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-18-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #107 |
134. CO2 does NOT come out of a Hydrogen Fuel Cell!?! Where would the Carbon (the C in CO2) come from? |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 02:45 AM Response to Original message |
40. Water is a greenhouse gas too you know |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #40 |
64. . |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:41 AM Response to Original message |
42. Is there an equivalent of April Fools Day in Japan? This sounds fishy. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 04:01 AM Response to Original message |
43. The basic power generation mechanism of the new system is similar |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 06:30 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. The old Consumable Catalyst trick... |
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CANDO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 06:17 AM Response to Original message |
46. How soon to "Peak Water"? |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 06:35 AM Response to Original message |
49. I don't understand half of what has been written on this thread, but . . . |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 06:46 AM Response to Original message |
51. Wow - that's Reuters' reputation down the drain |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 07:01 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. you nailed it... |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 07:44 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. This piece is for the general public, there may be some truth under it |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 07:49 AM Response to Reply #51 |
59. "There's a sucker born every minute" |
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NoFederales (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 08:34 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. "There's water cars for 8 lb waterheads." An ignorant public fed pap by |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
60. You might be interested in this. |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
62. I don't understand why everyone is so happy about this?!? |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. but it is supposed to run on ANY water... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #62 |
106. There is plenty of water in the world, but more importantly... |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
68. VOTE THIS UP on DIGG too to make the devil mad LINK |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. "make the devil mad"? |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 09:43 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. No, I meant big oil. I heard the phrase in an Amazing Randi video of a faith healer |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Ah - big oil won't care less about this |
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pt22 (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #73 |
100. Don't forget some people will believe anything. My one-time boss gave a guy 500,000 bucks |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
78. I'm open to the idea |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
79. The fuel cell 'stack' outputs 300W? That's under one-half horsepower |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
80. Pfffft. I've got a car that runs on nothing but GRAVITY!!! |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Nobody will believe you. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #80 |
94. Actually, there is a by-product.. |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #80 |
125. NIce. nt |
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LeftHander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
90. Bottled water more expensive than gas....nt |
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pt22 (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
93. P.T. Barnum sure had it right. |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
101. Same category as "mule powered jet ski" -- It Could Work!!! |
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Booster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
102. I don't know it for a fact, but seems to me in the very near future |
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SergeyDovlatov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #102 |
117. Are you thinking of fresh water? or any water? |
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Booster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #117 |
128. Yes, I was thinking of fresh water. I would rather see them make |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
103. I don't have to read the article to know that the headline is bullshit |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
105. What happens to the water? - we kinda need it |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. There is plenty of water in the world - Easily enough to support all human needs and then some |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. That doesn't answer the question |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. The water gets split into H2 and O2, which are then combined |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #113 |
129. thank you - wasn't sure if it formed back into water |
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rniel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
127. If they made a water fueled car in america |
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