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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 03:44 AM
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Overpopulation, & Its Remedy: OR: an Inquiry into the Extent & Causes
Edited on Mon Jun-16-08 03:48 AM by Hannah Bell
of the Distress Prevailing among the Laboring Classes of the British Isles & the Means of Remedying It, 1846: Wm Thomas Thornton, London, Longmans, 1846

Chapter 7:

"To cure overpopulation is to restore the proper proportion between the number of laborers & the fund for the renumeration of labor. Either the first must be diminished or the second must be augmented....we must also guard against a return of the disease. Population must if possible be prevented from increasing beyond the means of subsistence. This can only be done by restraining people from marrying before they to bear the expenses of a family...therefore, restrictions on the marriages of the poor are an indispensable part of the regimen to be observed."


The book was written more than 100 years ago, in England. In 1851 the population of England was about 17 million. Today, about 51 million. Yet this foundational text on overpopulation contains all the elements found in similar tomes ever since:

1. It's written by an upper-class twit.

2. Its focus is the poor.

3. The upper-class twit takes it for granted that his class unilaterally defines "the problem" & determines "the solution" for "the poor".

4. The upper-class twit takes it as his right to unilaterally impose restrictions on "the poor" - restrictions he wouldn't tolerate were the same attempted on him.

5. The basis for his assumption that he has the right to organize the lives of others is his class position. He is richer & holds more power. "The poor," in his eyes, aren't fully human; they are a lesser order, like children, or savages, that can be "done to" without consultation.

6. He never questions (or can't admit) the reason "the poor" aren't able to "bear the expense of a family" as he deems fit: his class has the monopoly of power, owns most productive assets, & doles out just enough to keep "the poor" at subsistence.

According to him, there is a limited pool of resources, a limited "fund for renumeration" of "the poor". They must therefore control their numbers. It's not suggested that the writer's class control its numbers (even though wealthy families at the time were quite large). Because, of course, they have the resources to provide for their children; the fund for their "renumeration" is appaently limitless.


There's a long, long list of such books & essays on overpopulation, from 1846 to the present. "The poor" change identities as time passes: the English laboring classes, the Irish, Negroes, Indians (of both types), immigrants generally, 3rd-world peasants.

But it's always an upper-class twit (or someone who identifies with the twits)speaking, & always a poor person being spoken about. The speaker almost always has more possessions & power than the person he labels a "problem" & wishes to control.

The upper-class twits speak of "educating & empowering 3rd-world women" in dulcet tones: they never speak of raising wages for men - or women. Educate - for what, where there's 50% unemployment, & what employment there is pays a few dollars a day? Or where war & dispossession (fueled largely by 1st-world proxy wars for resources) is constant?

Their "education & empowerment of women," under such circumstances, = destroying traditional family & social structures & substituting NOTHING useful in their place. They're the modern version of the missionaries who were the shock troops in the US, africa, latin america - destroying culture & replacing it with self-hatred, fairy tales & cargo cults.

And many of the NGOs & think tanks pushing this line know this; turning families into monadal "individuals" is precisely their aim: people who've been taught to emulate the powerful & despise their own culture & peers are easier to control & coerce.

According to the twits, there has never been enough for the poor, there have always been too many of them, & it's always been their outrageous overbreeding that creates resource shortage. "If only they'd have fewer children," say the twits, "they'd have more."

This is, of course, a bald-faced lie. The reverse is historically true; if they had more, if they lived in a more equal society, they'd have fewer children.

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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 06:08 AM
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1. self-delete
Edited on Mon Jun-16-08 06:14 AM by bananas
edit to add:
I greatly appreciate Hannah Belle's insightful posts.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 06:16 AM
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2. england - overpopulated in 1846, still overpopulated in 1926.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 06:19 AM
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3. And they'll be overpopulated in 2006.
Edited on Mon Jun-16-08 06:20 AM by bananas
Mass starvation etc.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 06:28 AM
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4. still overpopulated in 1927. not only that, it caused ww1.
Edited on Mon Jun-16-08 06:38 AM by Hannah Bell
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 06:36 AM
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5. 30% in favor of nuclear war
Edited on Mon Jun-16-08 06:37 AM by bananas
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3060888

Bomb bomb bomb,
bomb Iran,
bomb bomb bomb,
bomb Iran,
Bomb Iraaaaan,
Oh Bomb Iraaaan,
....

edit to add: I do not approve of this, this sucks.

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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 06:45 AM
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6. The only cure for excessive population growth is the middle class
Edited on Mon Jun-16-08 06:45 AM by robcon
Growth of the middle class is the only sure, proven, 100% effective way to reduce the number of children per family.

In order to do this the world must be more urbanized and farmers must become much more efficient. The world does not have to have the super-efficiency of U.S. agriculture (2% of U.S. population feeds the other 98%, plus is the world's largest agricultural exporter) but all it takes to reduce population growth is economic growth that spreads to a middle class.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:28 AM
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7. Thanks
I've said before that I thought education could help, but I didn't really qualify it in my post or in my mind. This helps me think that through again - I mean, subconsciously I imagine that my whole social philosophy (which includes a deep and abiding hatred for economic exploitation and war) was part of it, but I didn't make that really clear to other people or to myself so I see how it could have been misinterpreted. Also it shows me that I need to think about what I mean exactly by education - because I definitely don't mean the missionary type or the taking kids away from their parents and forcing them to go to boarding schools type. I know that I did not mean any sort of white man's burden type of thing, but I see how people could have thought that I meant something like that.

Also helps me to understand why some people assume that you are an upper class twit just for mentioning overpopulation.

Again, thank you for such a thought and self reflection provoking post. I will have to think for a while and decide what I really think and come up with a way of communicating it.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:36 PM
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8. thAnks for thinking @ it.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:15 PM
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