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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:48 AM
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Bush: "I believe an accurate reading of history says that freedom can bring peace we want."
last paragraph is a doozy...


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/06/20080616-1.html

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Q Mr. President, in his last major speech, Tony Blair said on Iraq, "Hand on heart, I did what I thought was right. But if I got it wrong, I'm sorry." Is it possible you got it wrong? Would you share at this point those slightly more reflective sentiments? And in particular, should you, in retrospect, perhaps have concentrated a little more on Afghanistan?

And could I ask the Prime Minister, is the Lisbon Treaty dead in the water now? And if so, what happens next for Europe?

PRESIDENT BUSH: History will judge the tactics. History will judge whether or not, you know, more troops were needed earlier, troops could have been positioned here better or not. Removing Saddam Hussein was not wrong. It was the right thing to do. Right thing to do for our security, right thing to do for peace, and the right thing to do for 25 million Iraqis. And now the fundamental question is will we have the willpower and the patience to help the Iraqis develop a democracy in the heart of the Middle East. It's a democracy that's not going to look like America, it's not going to look like Great Britain, but it's a democracy that will have government responsive to the people. People say, was that worth it, is it necessary. Absolutely it's necessary if you believe we're in an ideological war being -- the theaters of which right now, the most notable theaters are Afghanistan and Iraq.

The strategic implications of a free Iraq are significant for our future. For example, a free Iraq will make it easier to deal with the Iranian issue. A free Iraq will send a clear signal to reformers and dissidents, would-be journalists throughout the Middle East that a free society is available for you, as well. And the question facing the Western world is, will we fall prey to the argument that stability is more important than forms of government; that what appears to be stable and peaceful -- is that more important than how people live their lives, what kind of government? You just heard the Prime Minister speak eloquently about Zimbabwe. The lesson there is, forms of government matter.

Freedom has had a transformative effect in Europe, in the Far East. And the fundamental question is, will we work to see it have a transformative effect in the Middle East? Now, there are many doubters. I understand that, because there is some who say that perhaps freedom is not universal. Maybe it's only Western people that can self-govern. Maybe it's only, you know, white-guy Methodists who are capable of self government. I reject that notion. I think that's the ultimate form of political elitism, and I believe an accurate reading of history says that freedom can bring peace we want. And it'll bring peace to the Middle East, unless of course we become isolationist; unless of course we lose our confidence; unless of course we quit. And, so, yes, I'm sure there's people will say, they could have done things better here and there. But I'm absolutely confident that the decision to remove Saddam Hussein was the right decision.

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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:49 AM
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1. WTF would he know about an accurate reading of history
Edited on Mon Jun-16-08 10:50 AM by tularetom
He can't read, he knows jack shit about history and he's never been accurate about anything
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:52 AM
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2. Is there an English translation of that available anywhere?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:52 AM
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3. Oh, STFU, you sick motherf-----g waste of oxygen.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:53 AM
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4. I think he has had this ass-backwards from the beginning
Freedom tends to flow from peace, not peace from freedom.

The Constitution emerged in the US in the 1780s because it was a peaceful land. The Constitution nearly died in the 1860s due to a lack of peace.

Freedom is a scary and - at times - dangerous thing. Ultimate freedom is anarchy. And that is anything but peaceful.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:55 AM
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5. Can't force freedom on people George....

...if they acquire it of their own volition, then I would agree.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:57 AM
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6. Word salad.
Wilted, at that.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:57 AM
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7. freedom can bring peace we want
Ultimate form of political elitism: Use military force to make other people WANT what WE want.

How come every time the Iraqi people are polled they say the same thing. They want Bushes troops gone, yet the troops stay because freedom is doing what WE (ah the royal we) WANT YOU TO DO! Ouch that's some logic there bushie.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:59 AM
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8. He can't learn because he thinks he already knows all the answers.
That's my definition of a stupid person.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 11:00 AM
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9. Peace: When everyone who disagrees with you is dead. n/t
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 11:04 AM
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10. Note to Shrub:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 11:05 AM
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11. I watched this verbal diarrhea this morning
Maybe Georgie should study Western slavery and European colonialism.
He is one raving lunatic.
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