After * is out of office, we should just let bygones be bygones - come now, it's about HUMANITY.

[devilgrrl]

Why the need for all the bitterness?

Let's just put the past behind us.

Golly gee willakers, this place makes me wonder sometimes.

:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

[skooooo]

1. oh HELL no!

[EVDebs]

2. They're begging for a SoAfrica-style truth and reconciliation program

With amnesty for truth-tellers and light sentences, since their road to hell had all the right intentions.

[daninthemoon]

3. and book publishing royalties. don't forget about "refilling the ol' coffers"

[EVDebs]

4. It's a pity they have no valid ideology or logical defenses for what they'll be spewing !

ANYTHING, such as McClellan's book for example, will be mea culpas. "Don't shoot me, I'm only the piano player".

[liberal N proud]

5. Shackles and stripes

The only acceptable reconciliation for the bu$h regime criminals.

[nashville_brook]

6. Clintonian bipartisanship post-Iran/Contra -- yeah, that worked well.

point well taken.

[Bluerthanblue]

7. no silly- we'll

round up all "them" and put them in camps, and build ovens and destroy 'them'-

Because ya know 'we' are the only 'humans'-


:sarcasm:

What will you do with "them"??? As for me, I'd rather die working for the cause of genuine peace -than kill and rejoice in the killing of others in another failed attempt to 'control others', disguised as "justice".


:shrug:

"First they ignore you... Then they mock you... Then they fight you... Then you win." - Gandhi

We must recognize that this short life can neither be ennobled or enriched by hatred or revenge. Our lives on this planet are too short and the work to be done too great to let this spirit flourish any longer in our land. Of course we cannot vanquish it with a program, nor with a resolution. But we can perhaps remember, if only for a time, that those who live with us are our brothers, that they share with us the same short moment of life; that they seek, as do we, nothing but the chance to live out their lives in purpose and in happiness, winning what satisfaction and fulfillment they can. Surely, this bond of common faith, this bond of common goal, can begin to teach us something. Surely, we can learn, at least, to look at those around us as fellow men, and surely we can begin to work a little harder to bind up the wounds among us and to become in our own hearts brothers and countrymen once again. RFK

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhwre. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly affects all indirectly.

The limitation of riots moral questions aside is that they cannot win and their participants know it. Hence rioting is not revolutionary but reactionary because it invites defeat. It involves an emotional catharsis but it must be followed by a sense of futility.

Success recognition and conformity are the bywords of the modern world where everyone seems to crave the anesthetizing security of being identified with the majority.

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people but the appalling silence of the good people.

We must develop and maintain the capacity to forgive. He who is devoid of the power to forgive is devoid of the power to love. There is some good in the worst of us and some evil in the best of us.

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
The hope of a secure and livable world lies with disciplined nonconformists who are dedicated to justice peace and brotherhood. MLKjr

All these great minds died for what they believed in.

Laugh if you will- I'd consider it an honor to join them.


peace~

[devilgrrl]

9. "I'd rather die for genuine peace than kill & rejoice in the killing of others" - like Susan Atkins?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3351572

You're right, * should get away with all of his actions the past 7 years - he's just misunderstood.

Go ahead, flame away. :hi:

[Bluerthanblue]

10. I posted too soon, by error- please read my corrected thread- and

yes, I'm very sincere in statement.

Do you see no other choice but to be yin to bush's yang?

Do you not see the wisdom of holding firm to do what is just? No one is saying that the actions of the last 7 years should (or could) be ignored- but if your words are genuine, if you really mean what you have said on here- you need to look at what kind of real difference there is between your perspective and 'theirs'-

I don't think you mean what I hear you saying. I think you are speaking in anger and frustration. I hope you are.

peace~

[devilgrrl]

13. Yes, I mean what you said. I will be satisfied that he's shackled and locked up for the rest of time

He is a murderer and has no business living in a polite society.

[Bluerthanblue]

17. There is a fuckin

hell of a jump between having compassion for a dead person- and advocating death and destruction for those who we have seen as our adversary-

JeeZZZZ!!!- Now that I hear what I believe you are saying, I can't help but feel like I've had this same stupid discussion before in a slightly different flavor.
WORKING for peace, doesn't mean letting people do whatever they want with you. Holding Bush(&co.) accountable for what they have done to us, to the world- is entirely appropriate-

I object to those who are laying the ENTIRE responsibility for the Iraq war on Tim Russert. I am not calling him a saint- bowing down on an altar erected in his honor or anything of the kind. I do recognize him as a human being just like you- or myself- or my son sitting reading a book across the room from me- except that Tim Russert is dead- suddenly and unexpectedly. People are expressing their surprise, sadness and loss- and if we can't allow others to do that without needing to knife them with words- to mock their sorrow- then we need to really take some time and go do some fucking soul searching.-

As for being angry about this country- I'm as angry as I believe I've ever been in my life- but I cannot dump this anger on dead people- or on people that some folks want to 'scape-goat'. This administration has done what it has done because it could. And we ALL need to ask ourselves, have we individually done EVERYTHING humanly possible to have stopped it? When my ashes are being scattered to the winds by my kids, I hope they'll understand that I did what I could, but I cannot lay my personal responsibility as a citizen of this earth- a co-dependent American on anyone Else's shoulders.- That wouldn't change anything anyway.

What good does it do to blame Tim Russert for the war? To call him a shill etc? Does it change anything? Make people 'feel' more 'justified'? I just don't understand this world-

I'll shut up -

I wish you all the best that life has to offer. Wisdom, compassion, health, joy, love and peace~

[Bluerthanblue]

14. um....

.... as for Susan Atkins, what does this have to do with anything I said???

She's in prison, she has been in prison for years, and she is dying. She'll likely die in prison- she hasn't avoided the concequences of her actions-

I'm not all that sharp right now, for a lot of reasons- But even given my slow brain, I can't understand what your statement is trying to convey????

peace~

[devilgrrl]

15. Your posts leaves the impression that I'm for hanging-drawing-and quartering.

and that my anger is as vile as Bush's crimes against humanity. And that ticks me off. :popcorn:

One can't be upset about the Bush Crime Family but it's okay to spew venom and wish violent death on a woman who committed a heinous crime in her teens?

[Bluerthanblue]

18. I guess we're really

not hearing each other then Devilgrrl- And I'm sorry I'm not doing better.

I don't want to spew any venom or wish any kind of violent death on Susan Atkins- If I caused you to think I did, then my mistake.

I read your OP as a statement derriding the post speaking about our common humanity by Yyvonne- and my reply was addressing you from that perspective.

There is so much anger and resentment in the world right now, I can't keep it straight.

I'm sorry that I ticked you off. I was not trying to compare you to bush-
I'm all for holding bush accountable- I'm not for killing ANYONE. I'm a pacifist.
:hi:
peace~

[devilgrrl]

19. Understood.

Sorry for the confusion.

[spanone]

8. let's let criminals be criminals

[gatorboy]

11. Yeah right. And when Obama is president, Freepers will still be demanding respect for the office.

Right??? :P

[datasuspect]

12. there really isn't any need to insult or criticize corporatists, neocons, rw demagogues, or their

enablers.

series!!!!1111

[Solly Mack]

16. Uh..No

Sorry

I'm just gonna hafta be petty about this