Bush says in Europe "Only white-guy Methodists who are capable of self-government."

[Ichingcarpenter]

Could self-government just be something for "white-guy Methodists?"

Bush mused about that possibility Monday when riffing on freedom, a subject that always loosens his tongue.

The white, Methodist president was challenging anyone who believes stability in a society such as Iraq might be more important than democracy.

"Perhaps freedom is not universal," Bush offered. "Maybe it's only Western people that can self-govern. Maybe it's only, you know, white-guy Methodists who are capable of self-government.

"I reject that notion. I think that's the ultimate form of political elitism, and I believe an accurate reading of history says that freedom can bring peace we want."

He made the comments at the news conference with Brown, a white-guy son of a Church of Scotland minister.

"And can I just emphasize," Brown echoed, that "the passion for freedom I think is a universal value, and I believe that Iraq is a democracy today because of the action


WTF?

http://www.thenewstribune.com/tacoma/24hour/politics/story/390483.html

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. Blather, total blather

Nothing that Fuckface says off the cuff - ahem - ever makes sense. Those comments are about as vulgar as could be, but, more than anything, they're just plain meaningless.

Do you think he's trying to insult that "terraists" who might be Middle Eastern so that they'll attack us and then Fuckface will up and invade Iran?

Seems like it to me. And that's proof that Fuckface has finally driven me nuts.

[nxylas]

2. Much as I hate to defend *, your subject line is misleading

It was inelegantly put, as you would expect given the source, but I think Junior was actually trying to say that it isn't only white Methodists who can govern themselves.

[Ichingcarpenter]

7. Couldn't get the whole meaningless quote in the title

even the other part doesn't make sense.

[Ichingcarpenter]

3. He also argued with himself !

LONDON -- President Bush took a shot Monday at all those people saying his weeklong trip to Europe would be his last as president.

Uh, that would include you, sir.

At a news conference with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Bush issued this curious quote: "This has been a good trip. By the way, some are speculating this is my last trip. Let them speculate. Who knows?"

Yes, it is true that many news stories about Bush's journey referred to it as his farewell tour of Europe as president, as his term ends in January.

But that wasn't just speculation based on his shrinking time in office.

It was based on Bush's own words at the start of the trip in Slovenia, just six days earlier.

"It's interesting," Bush said then. "My first visit as U.S. president to Europe included a - my first stop in Slovenia. My last visit as U.S. president to Europe includes first stop in Slovenia. It's a fitting circle."

Maybe it was a long week of travel and he forgot.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/tacoma/24hour/politics/story/390483.html

[annabanana]

12. He'll never go back. He never went before he was pRes . . .

had no interest, wasn't curious

[damntexdem]

14. But circles are quite fitting for Dubya:

circular reasoning

going around in circles (as in constantly "turning the corner" in Iraq)

running government for the benefit of a small circle of Americans

trying to toss the Constitution into the circular file

[KansDem]

15. Bush, the only man alive who can argue with himself--and lose. (nt)

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. ...

:crazy:

[greyl]

5. Full quote here:

Bush: "Freedom has had a transformative effect in Europe, in the Far East. And the fundamental question is, will we work to see it have a transformative effect in the Middle East? Now, there are many doubters. I understand that, because there is some who say that perhaps freedom is not universal. Maybe it's only Western people that can self-govern. Maybe it's only, you know, white-guy Methodists who are capable of self government. I reject that notion. I think that's the ultimate form of political elitism, and I believe an accurate reading of history says that freedom can bring peace we want. And it'll bring peace to the Middle East, unless of course we become isolationist; unless of course we lose our confidence; unless of course we quit. And, so, yes, I'm sure there's people will say, they could have done things better here and there. But I'm absolutely confident that the decision to remove Saddam Hussein was the right decision."
link

[Ichingcarpenter]

8. Its still nonsense.

[greyl]

10. Your subject line is very misleading. Why not fix it? nt

[Name removed]

16. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MasonJar]

6. What an absolutely farcical statement from the biggest farce out there.

I doubt that Bush is still a member of the Methodist Church since he refused to meet with any of its representatives prior to the Iraq invasion or since.

[Canuckistanian]

9. WTF?

He keeps making this strawman point about "brown-skinned people who can't govern themselves".

Where does this come from?

Not even the freeperist freep talks like that.

[BlueGirlRedState]

11. Can you just see Will Farrell delivering these lines?

What an idiot we have -- how embarrassing.

[damntexdem]

13. Typical Bushista tactic: strike at a strawman that only you have proposed,

And keep any wider ethnocentrism, or outright racism, hidden by your outrage at the strawman.

[kenny blankenship]

17. Is the Unitary Executive just for "white guy Methodists"?

I'm sure that freedom isn't - and I can confidently swear that I have never had a conversation with anyone who thought freedom was just for white guy Methodists.

Now I have a question for you, Bush: Is the Unitary Executive just for white guy Methodists? And how about Unilateral Military Action - is that reserved just for people who look like you and Tony Blair? And since you want to talk about freedom, exactly how does that fancy name you have for an unaccountable dictatorship comport with freedom and democracy?