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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:29 AM
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The law allowing gay marriage in CA doesn't go far enough.
I got married in CT, but my marriage is valid everywhere in this country.

Until the same can be said for members of the GLBT community who choose to marry, it's not enough.

It's a start, but we've still got a long way to go.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:34 AM
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1. Unfortunately, that would take action by other states
Or would require federal recognition of same-sex marriage. California is doing everything it can. Now it's up to the rest of the country. And until same-sex marriage is widely accpeted, there will end up being a patchwork of state laws like CA and MA have.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:13 PM
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11. SCOTUS needs to step in...
and strike down state laws defining marriage as being between a man and a woman. Then states would have to recognize ALL marriages in other states.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:24 PM
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15. Yup. Hopefully with a Dem in the WH that will happen sooner rather than later.
It just occurred to me while I was watching all those happy couples in CA that their marriage wouldn't be recognized in other states, (except MA, I think)

I got married in CT, live in VA and no one would ever question the validity of my marriage. It really upsets me.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:31 PM
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16. Until we get a more liberal SCOTUS, I don't think they'll do us any favors on this
It was touch-and-go for a while whether they'd even uphold Habeus Corpus.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:47 AM
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2. wasn't there something about
recognizing treaties and covenants of other states in the constitution?

Has this been brought to court yet?
:shrug:
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:50 AM
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3. this
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Article4

Article. IV. - The States

Section 1 - Each State to Honor all others

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:56 AM
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4. that's exactly why Repubs in Congress thought up the defense of marriage act
which has not been challenged yet in court.

California is the first state that lets gay people from other states go there to marry.

Thus, now someone will have actual standing to challenge DOMA.

Lawyers and advocates will be looking for the right case to shepherd up the court system, as it has to be done very carefully.

Right now, most observers see Kennedy as the key vote on SCOTUS.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 09:09 AM
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5. There has been gay marriage in MA for 4 years now and no one has tried to
have one of those marriages recognized in another state? I'm surprised this hasn't happened yet.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 09:18 AM
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6. The state revived an antiquated law to deny out of state residents:
"Massachusetts does not have a residency requirement for marriage, but an old law from 1913 was revived to deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples from other states unless they intend to reside in Massachusetts."

http://www.glad.org/marriage/howtogetmarried.html
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 09:22 AM
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8. This was one of Romney's great ideas
I would have expected Deval Patrick to reverse that policy, but I haven't heard anything about it.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 09:29 AM
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9. But it is surprising that of the thousands MA gay marriages, none of them have
moved to other states and sought recognition.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:11 PM
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10. that's what I was thinking /nt
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 09:20 AM
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7. California
is the FIRST STATE to allow out-of-staters to marry in CA.

Mass doesn't. You have to be a Mass resident to marry there.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:18 PM
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12. You're the best!
:hug:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:23 PM
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13. Agreed.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:24 PM
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14. Repeal the Defense of Marriage Act
That would go a long way towards that. Even if other states didn't issue same-sex marriage licences, they would have to recognize those issued in other states.
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