If Obama divorced his wife and married Hillary, would that suffice?

[PCIntern]

I don't get it...when I competed for something, anything: a position, a girl, a prize, and LOST, you LOST. That was it.

To the victor belonged the spoils. You didn't have to be happy about it, you were allowed to pout a little, and then you got up off your ass and got back to what ever you were doing.

This situation as it presents itself is wholly unacceptable. He won...he gets to choose utilizing his own reasoning processes. So far, his decisions have worked out for him, some folks here may like that or not, but this decision is his to make. The MSM is running a campaign to denigrate whatever he does; if he were to select her, they'd pillory him for adding to his negatives. If he doesn't, then they'll chastise him for alienating her voters, who, they postulate, will vote for a Rethug like 'a woman scorned'.

i call bullshit on the entire process. If Hillary's voters want McCain over a Dem, they're not really Dems, they're opportunistic Rethugs in disguise.

[whistle]

1. Only is was Republican

[Enrique]

2. when you lost, who lost?

huh? :wtf:

[merh]

3. You owe me a damned keyboard!

where is that spewing smiley anyway?

The absurdity of your thread title alone accurately reflects just how "out there" many are, how preposterous the stances. There is nothing anyone can do to court them, to appease them, to please them. They will be anti-Obama and that is all there is. There is no use trying unless you enjoy headaches. They have that odd mindset like the bushie lovers, despite all reason and logic and against their own self interests, they will stay true to their emotions and ignore facts and reality.

btw, I use the natural keyboards, pmail me and I'll let you know where to send it :hi:

[ruggerson]

4. Why are you calling out "Hillary's voters?"

What a fucked up post.

[havocmom]

7. Seems amble evidence here today that some have not accepted reality yet

Was there another conference call last night or something. OP has a valid point. There seems to be a group that does not understand LOSS and still thinks they can force a bad VP choice. Lots of GD-marginally Primary stuff still going on today.

Saw a poll of CLINTON SUPPORTERS yesterday. How many would support Obama WITHOUT HRC on the ticket: overwhelming majority. How many would not? Only 19%. So, the 21%ers are now down to 19% and it is only mid-June.

Seems there are few real Hillary voters at this point, and a LOT of DEM voters. :woohoo:

[PCIntern]

9. opinions vary...

that's what makes America a great country.

[Beacool]

5. Well...............they would make beautiful babies.

This has not been a normal election cycle. We have two historical candidates who each won more votes than anyone in a primary in the history of the country. They both have inspired millions and they both have very loyal supporters.

Neither one closed the deal, either one would have had to win thanks to the SDs. Hillary may have even won the popular vote (if one counts MI, and even giving him all the uncommitted votes, she's ahead by over 45,000 votes). He was only ahead by 127 pledged delegates.

Therefore, Obama limped to the nomination as she would have too. That's why many feel that they both have earned the right to be on each other's ticket. If Obama is honest about his "unity" claim, then he should put his mouth where his money is and at least ask her. Who knows? She may not even want the job.

[RaleighNCDUer]

10. Bullshit.

You say that as if WE have to have it trumpeted in the news that "obama asks hillary!"

He doesn't need her - there are others who can bring more to the ticket.

By publicly asking, it gives her the opportunity to publicly refuse - thus humiliating the nominee right before the election. Bad move.

By publicly asking, even with the understanding that she would decline, it gives her the opportunity to actually accept, thus sticking him with a running mate who does not enhance his ticket, does not widen his appeal (both being moderate with reputations of corporate tendencies).

By not asking, he does not humiliate her any more than he humiliates 300,000,000 other Americans he did not ask. She's just one more person that he didn't ask.

BTW, if he should ask Sebelius, but not Webb or McCaskill, will Webb and McCaskill be publicly humiliated by his not publicly asking them?

And you are wrong. He DID close the deal. When he hit the numbers that made her win impossible, the deal was closed. In fact, for rational observers, when he hit the numbers that made her win a statistical near impossibility, after NC/IN, the deal was closed.

You don't know that he hasn't asked her. I wouldn't expect him to, but regardless, YOU don't KNOW.

So you are just continuing to talk out of your ass.

We will ALL know when the announcement is made - as it has been made every time before this - that "I have asked ________ to be my VP and _________ accepted." It is ALWAYS a done deal when we hear about it. If it isn't, we don't hear about it until it is.

[Beacool]

13. If he doesn't need her, then fine.

She can take the summer and fall off and neither she nor Bill "need" to campaign for him either. Ditto for her supporters.

[Bake]

21. Bring more to the ticket?

"He doesn't need her - there are others who can bring more to the ticket."

Is another choice actually going to bring 14 or 15 MILLION votes to the ticket? Really? Who might that be? Bill Richardson? He didn't get 1/10th of that number when he was running for the nomination!

Personally, I don't think she ought to be Obama's VP choice, for a number of reasons which I won't go into here.

Bake

[RaleighNCDUer]

25. of that 14-15 million, there are bare thousands who are so pig-headed

as to not vote for obama because their candidate lost.

OTOH, there are other potential VPs who have stronger economic populist cred than either Obama or Hillary, and that is one place where he could use a bolstering. Both of them got union endorsements, but the fact is they both are moderate free-traders, and a strong union-backed VP would help him.

All this nonsense that 15 million democrats are going to desert the party because of hillary is just that - nonsense. Obama needs help with strong unionists, with pro-active environmentalism, with national security - and Hillary is in the same place as he, so she adds nothing on any of those issues.

[YOY]

6. Who here is making a stink about this other than you in opposition?

If they won't vote Obama they're fools and not really democrats to begin with.

Leave it at that.

[PCIntern]

8. watching MSNBC this AM?

Guess not.

[hendo]

11. no cable

do you have a link?

[old mark]

12. How about Hillary and Panama Jack?

[hendo]

16. what about them?

Did she announce that she was back in the race or something?

[PCIntern]

19. Do I have a link?

Do I have a link to the 24/7 coverage of what if he does/doesn't choose her? My link is my Verizon FIOS at home and my Dish Network at work. I see this stuff going on all day. I respect the fact that you don't have cable, but cable news is what's going on.

[hendo]

22. the 24/7 news cycle is ruining this country.

There isn't enough news, so in the end they just make sh*t up. have to keep the ratings up somehow.

[PCIntern]

23. Right you are.,.

[Alter Ego]

14. The majority of Hillary supporters have moved on.

You're calling out ghosts.

[PCIntern]

18. NO I AM NOT...

and I know I was shouting...but watching the MSM proffer this stuff hourly does not qualify this issue as a 'ghost issue'.

You're wrong,

[karynnj]

15. I agree with

I have been floored by all the concern that HRC needs to get a consolation prize. Why, because she came so close. While it is true that this is the closest primary I can remember in decades, as you said - she lost. The fact is that she started with every single advantage - name recognition, most of the "Democratic Administration in exile", most of the key fund raisers (though Kerry before he dropped out had the loyalty of almost all of his), plus most of the "Democrats" in the MSM were Clinton people. They designed SuperTuesday for her, thinking that no one could beat Clinton, who had the backing of the party machines in most of those big states and was the candidate everyone knew. There were too many states to campaign intensively.

In addition, her status as former First Lady, created a terrible dynamic. She claimed credit for all his accomplishments - which was fair because she was there. This, however, meant that any serious challenger HAD to criticize the last Democratic administration - something that is way out of the norm and which will make Bill Clinton less effective in the future. This was a dynamic that could not have been prevented as soon as HRC entered the race.

[cliffordu]

17. lol.

[LeFleur1]

20. Oh So Glad

I'm oh so glad to see that some of the posters on here suddenly don't like the way the MSM is treating Obama. :)
They didn't seem to mind when MSNBC, CNN, FOX, were calling Hillary every sexist name they could think of and using sexist insults to try to bring her down. They didn't mind one bit when the insiders in the party were calling for Hillary to get out of the way from the get go so Obama could cruise to victory.
It's all in your mind. The MSM is treating Obama just fine. You want special treatment? :)

Some of Obama's supporters do him more harm than good. Half (over half if you count the primary votes in caucus states) of the voters voted for Hillary. I just received an email from one of them. She is going to sit out the election. She can't vote for McCain because he's not fit to be President, and she doesn't want to vote for the Democrat because of the way the party treated women during this campaign. She feels the party acted in a ridiculous manner. She expected more and better from them.
You might agree or you might disagree. The people who feel the same are out there and they aren't as few as the polls show. Obama just might need those voters...but go ahead, continue to insult and demean them. They'll stay home and the Democrats will lose. Will you feel any regret for your actions then? I didn't think so. Taking responsibility isn't one of your strong points.

Sometimes batterers get their comeuppance. True, the battered have to leave a comfy home and live on less, struggling to get by, but it's better than being battered.

[RaleighNCDUer]

26. Fuck off, troll. nt

[TexasObserver]

24. Straw Man + Inflammatory OP = Flamebait!

Gotta leave the Hillary folks alone. If Hillary was doing anything inappropriate, I'd be criticizing her, but since she isn't, there's no upside to this kind of discussion, IMHO.

I agree with you about most of what you said. He won, she lost, this is how we always go forward. However, there's no gain in beating this dead horse. The ones who will get over it, will get over, and those who won't get over it, won't. I think Obama has to focus not on the Hillary voters, but on the great middle voters who decide most elections. The Hillary voters either get on board, or get left behind.

[PCIntern]

27. Yeah...call the MSM and tell THEM

that. This was the point of the post...it is not 'flamebait'...it is WHAT IS HAPPENING OUT THERE.

We can play games here at DU all day, or we can get out of this circle-jerk and send our comments to the MSM outlets and say that we are displeased with the box into which they've cornered our nominee. This was not a diatribe against Hillary, rather it was against the MSM who are throwing gasoline on a tinderbox and awaiting the explosion when the spark occurs.

[EFerrari]

28. Wha? The OP was about the media, not the voters. n/t

[PCIntern]

29. thanks...

I thought I was going crazy...these 'replies' force me to re-read my posts about 9 million times to make sure that I didn't indict someone who's not meant to be indicted.

We have a bunch of bad pseudo-lawyer-types here who need to learn how to read critically, not skim and get all excited with a hard-on replying to something that wasn't said.