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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:00 PM
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Sibel Edmonds' Redacted IG Report Released
I've got a few items today.

Firstly, former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds and I were interviewed by Scott Horton for Antiwar Radio last week. The interview went live on Monday. From the blurb:
"Sibel Edmonds and Luke Ryland discuss the London Times series on her case and the international nuclear black-market network surrounding A.Q. Kahn, the U.S. government’s total clamp-down by gag orders even against Congress, the American foreign policy hypocrisy of demonizing certain nuclear ambitions and supporting others, the military-industrial-congressional complex revolving door, the bipartisan lack of enthusiasm in pursuing whistleblower cases, the movie about Sibel’s case “Kill The Messenger,” and how it only takes one congressman to call her to testify to blow the case wide open."
You can listen (50 mins) to it here (mp3), and read the transcript here. Youtube version is here

For the first time, the redacted version of the Department of Justice's Inspector General's report into Sibel's case has been released - parts 1, 2, & 3 (pdfs)

The DoJ has previously released a 35 page unclassified summary of the report, but this is the first time that the 100 page redacted version has been released publicly. You won't learn much from trying to read the report but it is striking to see how much of the report is redacted. Here is the 'Introduction':




In the interview with Antiwar Radio, we discussed Hastert's new job lobbying for a company that lobbies for Turkey. I wrote about that here and here.

Sibel highlighted the fact that people like Hastert and others who have been involved like former #3 at the State Dept, Marc Grossman, have become 'untouchable.' From the interview:
"Horton: Even though for years now your story has somehow implicated in basically criminal interaction with these groups, and now he still goes right to them for employment when he quits !

Edmonds: Absolutely – they all do. Because they have become… we have these people who have become untouchable.
<..>
So what I'm trying to say here is that you have this root problem in our country, you have this pattern, so when you say "Nothing happens to Marc Grossman," I'm telling you that these people are untouchable. They are the untouchables because you see this with many, many people, and it's not raising any flags, the mainstream media is not reporting on it, the congress is not doing anything about it, so what does Marc Grossman have to worry about? They have really thick skin, they are really, really bold about their moves, because they are saying "I'm doing all this despite all this stuff out there. Come and touch me. Catch me if you can." And there is no one out there for us to go and ask to catch these guys."
On the other hand, Sibel reiterated that although these people rightly feel untouchable, it only takes one honest congressperson to have the courage to stand up and invite Sibel to testify under oath in congress to bring down the house of cards and send some of the 'untouchables' to prison. Sibel has repeatedly said that the FBI counterintelligence officials that she worked with are also willing, and eager, to testify if called.

We also discussed the nuclear black market in the interview:
"Edmonds: You have to focus on one aspect, and that is that right now we are talking about a black market, the nuclear black market, and you're looking at international players within this nuclear black market activity, and this involves to a certain degree the Russians, Israelis, South Africa, Turkey, Iran, North Korea, so you're looking at many, many players...

The big deal is our hypocrisy-ridden foreign policy, and the fact that on one hand, we're talking about the danger of these weapons of mass destruction in the hands of whoever at the time we declare to be in the "Axis of Evil," and using this as a technique, and as a tactic, to invoke fear here in our country...

On the other hand, when it comes to these really serious issues and cases, a lot of them involving weapons of mass destruction, we cherry-pick the intelligence, and we cherry-pick on what we are going to take action.

As you know, right now, we are talking about possibly attacking Iran because they may have the nuclear capabilities and technology. On the other hand, we are looking the other way when it comes to this global scale nuclear black market activities, in some of which we have U.S. players, participation, and their role. But yet, we go out of our way – and this is our government – to quash this information, to gag this information, to let these people off the hook, and we can't do that!

That is the importance of it, it's not that "Okay, fine, Pakistan got it, and who played what role?" It is the fact that there is this nuclear black market, and we have many, many players, and some of these players happen to be our allies, some of these players happen to be U.S. persons, and yet, we only get partial stories, and whenever it is convenient for our government to say "Oh, okay if it is Syria, or if it is Iran…" and yet looking the other way when it happens to be people who we call our allies."
Some of those 'allies' who participate in this nuclear black market include officials from Israel and Turkey and the US. As reported in the UK's Times in January's "For sale: West’s deadly nuclear secrets":
"A backlog of tapes had built up, dating back to 1997, which were needed for an FBI investigation into links between the Turks and Pakistani, Israeli and US targets. ... (Sibel) heard evidence that pointed to money laundering, drug imports and attempts to acquire nuclear and conventional weapons technology.

“What I found was damning,” she said. “While the FBI was investigating, several arms of the government were shielding what was going on.”

The Turks and Israelis had planted “moles” in military and academic institutions which handled nuclear technology. Edmonds says there were several transactions of nuclear material every month, with the Pakistanis being among the eventual buyers. “The network appeared to be obtaining information from every nuclear agency in the United States,” she said."
This part of the interview was in response to the news last month that the CIA had helped orchestrate the destruction of evidence in a Swiss case involving some key suppliers to the proliferation network. I wrote about that a couple of weeks ago. Please note that this interview was conducted late last week, prior to the news in the US media in the last few days, scaremongering about the possibility that Iran and others might have received blueprints for a new compact nuclear weapon. As I mentioned in my previous post, the US media was silent about this story for weeks, before finding a way to spin it onto the front page of the Washington Post on Sunday ("Smugglers Had Design For Advanced Warhead")

The apparent trigger for this latest round of reporting in the US was a new report (pdf) by former weapons inspector David Albright which was released on Monday (and leaked in draft form over the weekend).

It will be interesting to watch how the spin on this story plays out. Albright's report notes that the defendants in the Swiss case, the Tinner family, had one full page, in a three page report, dedicated to the fact that the Tinners were working for the CIA, and notes that they received 'a large sum of money' from the CIA, but I suspect that part of his report will go largely unmentioned in the US media, even while credible outlets in the rest of the world have argued for the past month that the Swiss government destroyed the evidence in the case at the behest of the CIA.

Back in May the Guardian reported:
While the Swiss government maintains the treasure trove of nuclear intelligence was destroyed for reasons of national security, the Americans may have been involved because Tinner is believed to have also been working for the CIA. Albright said Tinner was recruited by the American agency from 1999-2000.

"The Swiss were doing other people's dirty work," said an international official familiar with the investigation into the Khan network. "The allegation is that Urs was on the CIA payroll for a very large sum of money."

Olli Heinonen, deputy director general at the IAEA, has led the investigation into the Khan network for years. Last year his office sought and gained access to the Tinner files and some of his officials were also summoned to witness their destruction.

The Americans were also present, according to the international official. "The Americans were involved in the destruction. They were calling the shots," he said. The IAEA refused to comment publicly on the case. A former senior IAEA official said: "I am quite astonished. It's very unusual to see people destroying documents like this."
Yesterday the Guardian stated flatly that:
"Officials from the Vienna agency and Washington supervised the recent destruction of the Swiss files"
The reporting in the US media has not been quite so forthcoming about the US role. Washington Post merely reported that the evidence in the case was "recently destroyed by Swiss authorities under the supervision of the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency." The New York Times timidly reported that "the Tinners had provided information to the C.I.A"

According to Albright's latest report, the CIA promised to keep the Tinners, key suppliers of the network, out of prison but that the "CIA was unable to keep its promise on jail time." In fact, by destroying the evidence in the case, the CIA might be able to keep the promise after all, as the Tinners are now likely to go free because the destruction of the evidence means that they are now unable to get a fair trial.

Of course, the US government isn't necessarily concerned about keeping their promise to the Tinner family; it may very well be that they don't want their involvement, and the involvement of their allies, reaching the light of day. What is missing from the current reporting is that while the Swiss were trying to build a case against the Tinners in 2005 and 2006, the US government refused to even reply to multiple requests for assistance over an 18 month period. David Albright himself testified in congress that:
The United States should respond to the Swiss requests for assistance as quickly as possible. To continue to ignore these requests undermines the vital prosecution of key members of the Khan network and risks undercutting support for Swiss cooperation in non-proliferation matters. In addition, I find this lack of cooperation frankly embarrassing to the United States and those of us who believe that the United States should take the lead in bringing members of the Khan network to justice for arming our enemies with nuclear weapons.
As I wrote last week:
In an interview on Democracy Now a week (after his testimony in Congress), Albright said that he finds the US stonewalling "disturbing and perplexing," "mystifying" and "embarrassing as an American," adding:
"The signal (the U.S. government is) sending is that it doesn’t want the Swiss to prosecute these three people, and yet they provide no reason for that."
Albright's perspective certainly add some important context to the allegations that the US government pressured the Swiss to destroy the Tinner files in order to prevent a public trial - and all that might entail...
Given this context, MSNBC's 'Deep Background' has some interesting reporting. For some reason:
"U.S. officials are downplaying reports in the New York Times and Washington Post that Pakistan's A.Q. Khan may have given Iran--and other nations--blueprints for a miniature nuclear warhead first developed for his country's program.
<...>
Publicly, U.S. officials have been low key in discussing the reports, surprising in that the Bush administration has been pressing Iran to stop its uranium enrichment program.
<...>
A spokesman for the CIA declined all comment.

A senior U.S. official familiar with the network's operation explained why the U.S. is downplaying the reports, at least publicly.

"You'll have a hard time proving or disproving this," he said, referring to the possibility that Iran was given the blueprints. "We don't know that this transfer took place."
It sure is 'surprising.' Whatever happened to "We don't what the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud"?

Even as the rhetoric against Irancontinues to heat up, the Bush administration is trying to deflect attention away from this matter. Why is that? This seems like the perfect 'opportunity' to scale up the pressure. Why are they distancing themselves? What do they have to hide?

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In other news, I was interviewed by Peter B Collins about Sibel's case for 20 minutes on Monday. You can listen to that here (mp3)
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:03 PM
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1. K&R.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:04 PM
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2. K&R
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:07 PM
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3. K & R
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:13 PM
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4. K & R #10

Good luck, Sibel.

:kick:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:15 PM
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5. K&R
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:18 PM
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6. Thank you.
Nominated.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:20 PM
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7. why, it's hardly been redacted at all !!!
:sarcasm:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:48 PM
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66. it could be word for word, bold and underlined, and the Corp Media wouldn't touch it --
here's just an excuse for not following up
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:20 PM
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8. Good job
and great interview.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:24 PM
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9. transcript
I'm not allowed to post the link to the transcript here, but you can find it by clicking the same link at http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2008/06/sibel-edmonds-redacted-ig-report.html
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:35 PM
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10. On occasion, you can get by with it
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 07:35 PM by mmonk
but still it's best done through another link.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:46 PM
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12. the risk
the risk is that the mods pull the entire post, which can be a nuisance!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:22 PM
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16. Yep, if it's important or timely.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:43 PM
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11. The MSNBC angle of the administration downplaying
the reported AQ Khan/Iran angle should raise some eyebrows and curiosity .
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:07 PM
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13. Thank you, Luke
Your work on this is outstanding. Sibel Edmonds is a hero and she will be vindicated.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:10 PM
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14. K & R n/t
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:19 PM
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15. K&R n/t
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:29 PM
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17. K & R
Lukery, as always you are many steps ahead of the spineless MSM on this! Great job.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:33 PM
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18. what are all those white-outs doing on the reports?
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:41 PM
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21. A Good Question
Let's call them 'the state secrets';-) Please send them to the MSM and ask: 'Where is the coverage if it's this highly regarded by the BushCo?
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 09:25 PM
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27. Thank you for all that you and lukery have done...
You're a treasure to DU, and to America...

Peace within... Peace between... Peace among,


Ghost

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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:37 PM
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19. AQ Kahn, nukes, Plame
Seems to me the old Plame threads are relevant again. The Cheney/Kahn/Brewster Jennings link may finally come to light. After Scotty's book congress is taking a second look. So many of these schemes like Iran Contra have been glimpsed at before the pardons came. Sadly I think Bushco has run out enough clock to submit pardons before trials much less convictions. The Bush Jr. pardons will l\make the Clinton and Bush I pardons look like high school bathroom passes.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:53 PM
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23. You can't issue pardons unless there are convictions.
Know anyway to get to point A first?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 09:15 PM
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26. I don't think Nixon was convicted. Didn't stop Gerald Ford...
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 09:24 PM by calipendence

All it takes is come November after the elections:

1) Bush pardons all of his buddies that he knows would be in trouble without pardons. As someone noted, this will look past pardons look like picnics.

2) Once he's done, he resigns, and Cheney takes over. Cheney then pardons Bush.

Voila! They are all pardoned, and there's not a damn thing we can do about it!

If they don't do impeachment, perhaps the Dems in congress can at least be persuaded to try and persuade as a compromise with the Republicans a supermajority vote to do a constitutional ammendment that would prohibit pardons of those people that Bush had employed or appointed directly, or of the previous administration's employees/appointments (to keep Bush from getting pardoned by Cheney).

He could pardon others (and he probably will!), but then he'd be prohibited from doing much to protect his inner circle (or former inner circle that resigned like Richard Perle, Marc Grossman, etc.).

That way the Dems can say to the Republicans, we aren't interested in "taking power" through impeachment, but we are interested in making sure that those who committed crimes are held accountable and can be made to pay for their crimes after the election and they are out of office if not before.

Or at a bare MINIMUM, make a law that disallows "preemptive" pardons to prevent a "Nixon pardon" from happening again.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 09:31 PM
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29. The problem they would have is they would have to reveal
the criminal activity first. Someone would want to know why he is pardoning people nobody in congress is going after.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 10:05 PM
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34. Perhaps they'll "hint to their guilt" as far as Nixon did to "allow" for these pardons!
I wouldn't put it past them. Find some real minor offenses they each might have and "admit" them, and then get pardoned for them in a way that they become untouchable to prosecute for that or other things.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 04:31 AM
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42. please
they won't admit to anything and will spin the pardons as preventing a partisan witch-hunt spurred on by the MoveOn.org wing of the party, and the media (outside of Stewart, Colbert, Olbermann, and Abrams) will just willingly lap it up and repeat the GOP talking points.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 04:28 AM
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41. Nope
Nixon was pardoned for crimes he *may* have committed, and that was when the media was a lot more fair & balanced. Nothing was revealed after the pardon and Nixon was not called to testify.

When Bush does the same thing, he'll have most of the media ready to lap up his spin with nary a question...

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:29 AM
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51. The problem will be all the others he would have to pardon.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 12:02 AM
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35. Can pardon even without indictment, but once pardoned, can't claim 5th Amendment privilege
The pardoned will make perfect witnesses. They can be locked up for contempt if they refuse to testify, and locked up for perjury if they lie during testimony.

I hope Bush pardons everyone, including himself.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 06:35 AM
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46. Would anyone have the courage to lock them up for not testifying?
I don' know if Dennis Kucinich could pull it off all by himself.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:39 PM
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20. Luke, is this a revised version from what has been available at Barnes and Noble?
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 08:45 PM by calipendence
It has the same title and is also noted as "redacted". I have it buried away home someplace...

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Review-of-the-FBIs-Actions-in-Connection-with-Allegations-Raised-by-Contract-Linguist-Sibel-Edmonds/Glenn-A-Fine/e/9780756748364/?itm=1

It does say "summary" but it also says 51 pages here... So i'm guessing your 100 page version here is still got more info in it, but just would like to confirm where this version fit into the mix.
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ajeffersonian Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:47 PM
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22. Two Thumbs Up
Great interview you two. What a team-Edmonds and Ryland. Keep it up.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 09:00 PM
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25. interviews
Sibel is a great interviewee... I still need some practice - especially for those interviews that i do at 4am!

(but, thanks)
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:56 PM
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24. "Unclassified Summary"
CP - the Fine document is the unclassified SUMMARY - i suspect the page # difference is simply a formating thing (smaller pages) etc
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 09:28 PM
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28. Oh Luke, and as I noted in this thread I put up earlier, Mike Gravel mentioned Sibel this morning...
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 09:29 PM by calipendence
... on Democracy Now when he was talking about what he did along with Daniel Elsberg and reading out the Pentagon Papers to congress before the media then published them. Might be a good clip for your blogsite.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3464744&mesg_id=3464744
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 09:37 PM
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30. cheers for that
i'm struggling to download the file for some reason.... it'll be here soon.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 09:43 PM
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31. This article talks about 2 congress critters replacing those going to Dickstein Shapiro!

Though it doesn't mention Dickstein Shapiro by name, it notes that there's another special election to replace Albert Wynne, who is ALSO going to Dickstein Shapiro along with Hastert. Article mentions Foster who took over for Hastert as well.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.congress16jun16,0,6484749.story

I guess not long after tomorrow (when the special election happens) Wynn will be working with Hastert over there helping the Turks!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 09:50 PM
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32. American "Thinker" claims that Hastert *cannot* be accused of dishonesty!
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 10:06 PM by calipendence
This article is filled with Right Wing hooey, but this paragraph takes the cake!

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/06/conservatives_must_not_practic.html

In 2006 the Democrats ran as a reform party, taking advantage of Republican ineptness and confusion over a series of ethical lapses. But all promises to clean the place up proved immediately void. The public is well aware of this -- confidence in Congress has bottomed out at 14%, far lower than that of the GOP in 2006. Virtually the entire Democratic leadership, including Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and John Murtha, are under investigation. (This was not true of the "deeply corrupt" GOP. Whatever can be said of Bill Frist and Dennis Hastert, they cannot be accused of dishonesty.)


:eyes: :crazy:
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 10:04 PM
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33. no they can't
that would be outrageous! shame on all of us!
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 12:31 AM
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36. Recommended. Best wishes to you, Luke and Sibel!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 12:38 AM
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37. K&R
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zeos3 Donating Member (912 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 01:09 AM
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38. K & R
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:11 AM
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39. K&R
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:42 AM
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40. kr
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 04:32 AM
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43. Error: You've already recommended that thread.
good stuff - thanks for doing all the hard work.
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 05:32 AM
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44. This administration has sooooo much to hide
I pray that someday we can get at least half of the truth.

One half of the truth would more than likely be enough to put them all away forever.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 06:01 AM
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45. k & r
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DeeDeeNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 06:37 AM
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47. K & R
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 06:50 AM
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48. k & r
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 06:58 AM
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49. K&R
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:50 AM
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50. K&R n/t
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:30 AM
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52. K&R!
bookmarked for later. Thanks.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 08:52 AM
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53. K & R
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 10:00 AM
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54. Big-Ass K&R Thank you Sibel & Luke eom
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 10:07 AM
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55. So why doesn't Kucinich invite her? Or Boxer? Or Feingold?
Or one of the other DU reliables?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 11:07 AM
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56. Perhaps we should start calling, and ask.
"it only takes one congressman to call her to testify"

*sigh*
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 11:20 AM
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57. Time for Action
You are right; we've been trying to do just that for the last 6 years.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 11:27 AM
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58. ****We must keep trying... keep calling... keep pushing. Eternal Vigilance.****
Call Congress Toll Free

1 (800) 828 - 0498
1 (800) 614 - 2803
1 (866) 340 - 9281
1 (866) 338 - 1015
1 (877) 851 - 6437
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 11:53 AM
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59. Let's get Mike Gravel to help us... Perhaps he can give us insight as to who might help?

Basically Mike Gravel served in this role back during the time of the Pentagon Papers, reading them out on the Senate Floor before they were published by any of the newspapers that Daniel Elsberg had given them to, basically clearing the way for subsequent events later. Gravel here in this interview is saying exactly the same thing. We need a courageous champion in congress to clear these hurdles and put Sibel on the stand much like Gravel read the Pentagon Papers in his day.

From Democracy Now yesterday:

http://i3.democracynow.org/2008/6/17/former_senator_mike_gravel_calls_for

Former Senator Mike Gravel Calls for Independent 9/11 Investigation and Prosecution of President Bush and Vice President Cheney



...

MIKE GRAVEL:

...

And when you hear—and keep this in mind, Amy, any member of the Congress could release any secret about the government’s activities right today, because the court case, the Supreme Court ruled in my case 5-4 that a senator, under—or a House member, under the speech and debate clause of the Constitution of the United States, could not be held accountable. I was talking to Congressman Moran, and he had made the statement, “Well, you know, George Bush is about to do something in Iran.” I said, “My god! Say something about it. They can’t touch you.”

AMY GOODMAN: Jim Moran of Virginia.

MIKE GRAVEL: Of Virginia, and who’s a tough hombre.

AMY GOODMAN: Do you believe there’s another set of Pentagon Papers around 9/11 and Iraq?

MIKE GRAVEL: There’s no question about it, but how do you get your hands on it? If some—see, not every—there’s not that many Ellsbergs around. We’ve got Sibel Edmonds and others who—what people learn, and Ellsberg knew this walking into it, he was trying to find somebody in Congress. George McGovern wouldn’t do it, Fulbright wouldn’t do it. He needed the umbrage, the legal status of a member of Congress doing it.

He didn’t know I was alive until the Times wouldn’t act or the Post wouldn’t act. Then, all of a sudden, there’s this freshman who’s out there filibustering the draft. And so he called me up, “Would you release?” “Of course, I’d release it.” And I don’t know—people say, “Oh, you’re so courageous.” I’m not courageous; this is just the way I’m made. And that’s the reason why I admire this young kid, this Chiroux, that you just had on. This is what makes a difference in society, when people step up at any level of life.

...
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:06 PM
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61. Now he IS a maverick
unlike McSame who only pretends to be.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:18 PM
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64. Yes, would we not have SOME maverick in the Democrats side now...
Edited on Wed Jun-18-08 03:19 PM by calipendence
Maybe we can talk Kucinich or Wexler to do this?
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 12:03 PM
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60. Sibel Edmonds: national hero.
:patriot:
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 02:38 PM
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62. 101 recs? Maybe we're finally starting to wake up!
Thanks much for posting this very informative article about Sibel, lukery.

:hi:
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:04 PM
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63. the deep, deep well of criminality
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:26 PM
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65. The only surprise for me is the sound of crickets in Congress.
Just one person. One honest person. Is there one in Washington?
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:56 PM
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67. k&r
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Sunnyshine Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 05:41 PM
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68. How can they gag Congress? Is Sen. Carl Levin gagged too?
Hastert and Grossman sure dropped off the radar fast. Amazing how that happens and no one says a thing about it.

Sibel reiterated that although these people rightly feel untouchable, it only takes one honest congressperson to have the courage to stand up and invite Sibel to testify under oath in congress to bring down the house of cards and send some of the 'untouchables' to prison. Sibel has repeatedly said that the FBI counterintelligence officials that she worked with are also willing, and eager, to testify if called.


The U.S. Media is silent on anything relevant to knowing the truth. :mad: This is all becoming too much to swallow.

Stay safe and we send our greatest appreciations to Sibel and Luke in your pursuits of seeing justice carried out.

One voice. Can change everything. Millions and millions are waiting for that person to come forward.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 05:50 PM
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69. K&R
Good post...
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