Larisa Alexandrovna-"Bush Admin has created the very monsters they claimed to be fighting against"

[kpete]

Larisa Alexandrovna

And War Crimes for All....
Posted June 17, 2008 | 11:40 PM (EST)


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Yes, we will be judged by history and in the harshest possible light.

Moreover, we now know that Bush administration proxies essentially held mostly innocent people, whom they tortured and who subsequently after their release became radicalized.

In other words, they built Manchurian candidates- terrorists- either knowingly or as a symptom of their illegal torture program. However you choose to view this staggering revelation it does not change the reality we are now faced with. Namely, the Bush administration has created the very monsters they claimed to be fighting against. They created an enemy, a global enemy, that did not exist in such numbers and across so many geographical boundaries. They have put us in danger and they have made this country less safe than it has ever been.

Consider this too, that if the cabal that has taken over our government did indeed knowingly create a program in which they manufactured terrorists to go along with their faux war on terror, then this would be a whole new level of evil that I have no words left through which to vent my anger. There are not enough words, not in any language, to explain or justify or likely even deal with this possibility. But it is a possibility that should nevertheless be considered, given what we now know about the people of the Bush regime.

For me, the only question left is this: now what?

more at:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/and-war-crimes-for-all_b_107717.html

[Fire Walk With Me]

1. Now what? What the military-industrial complex dreams of.

Continuous war.

[Mythsaje]

2. So, they either did it on purpose

or they are simply that incompetent and foolish. Evil or stupid. Evil AND stupid. Feh. Someone please tell me why crazy people seem to end up in leadership positions as often as they do.

Who the hell put the dickheads in charge, anyway?

[JDPriestly]

3. OK for those who deny that Bush is like the NAZIs.

The U.S. military hid the locations of suspected terrorist detainees and concealed harsh treatment to avoid the scrutiny of the International Committee of the Red Cross, according to documents that a Senate committee released Tuesday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/and-war-crimes-for-all_b_107717.html

This is precisely what the NAZIs did. They hid the prisoners they were abusing in the real concentration camps and showed the delegation from the Red Cross a "sanitized" camp.

Yes, the NAZIs put millions in the camps, and we have only put we don't know how many but not millions -- but the NAZIs only put millions in the camps after they had invaded several neighboring nations and were at full-fledged war. It's a matter of degree and time, amid the Republicans have only just begun.

My Alcoholics Anonymous friends (every other person in LA I sometimes think) tell me that the first and most important step in recovery is admitting what you are -- and we are a nation in denial, enabling a very sick administration.

We either demand that something be done to punish the torture and the hiding of prisoners from the Red Cross or . . . . we are complicit. Are we co-conspirators in these crimes?

[noise]

4. All justified on the idea that Bush acted in good faith

The bottom line is that we have an unaccountable administration that has sold the public on illegal tactics that they claim were required to prevent follow up attacks. Secrecy (the public isn’t given access to 9/11 evidence), propaganda (torture has saved lives), fearmongering (if you keep complaining about torture, secrecy and the lack of transparency...people are going to die) and authoritarianism (do you want to live under Sharia law? Whose side are you on? Are you patriotic?) all used to justify the illegal tactics.

Many people who defend Bush's illegal counterterrorism tactics haven't bothered to research the pre-9/11 conduct by administration officials and the intelligence agencies. Some of the officials who couldn't bother to clock in for work in the months leading up to 9/11 are the same officials who made the case for the necessity of police state tactics in order to prevent follow up attacks. For this reason, it is absurd to accept the talking point that suggests that though Bush's counterterrorism policies are illegal, anti-Constitutional, anti-Democratic and possibly being used for sinister ulterior intentions, well that's ok because he acted in good faith.

Look at Bush's WoT. The two countries with the closest ties to al Qaeda--Saudi Arabia and Pakistan--are considered allies. It took the Improving Americas Security Act of 2007 to implement logical counterterrorism policies recommended by the 9/11 Commission. 2007! Bush kept Tenet on after 9/11--in fact AFAIK no government officials were held accountable for 9/11. Hadley was promoted. Rice was promoted. Hayden kept his job and was later given two lateral promotions. No one at Alec Station was held accountable despite the fact that they knew al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar had US visas (they knew this in January 2000!) and evidently failed over and over again to notify the FBI. When the FBI was finally told in late August, key FBI agents fretted about violating the so called Gorelick wall instead of worrying about finding known al Qaeda operatives during a time when the "system was blinking red." These agents kept their jobs after 9/11.

[dailykoff]

9. Believe it or not we have all the 911 evidence we need.

It's in the photographs of the Trade Center debris. Nearly every photo. Sounds ridiculous but it's true. More in my journal.

[Swamp Rat]

5. k&r

[lutherj]

6. They "created the very monsters they claimed to be fighting against."

This is very nature of a paranoid witch hunt, like the spanish inquisition, or just about any other atrocity from Sulla to Pol Pot. They round up people, torture them to get more names and round those people up, torture them, etc. The Inquisitor creates the terror and says its for the security of the state and the people. It's the worst kind of pathology that can afflict a society.

[readmoreoften]

7. I thought that was their goal.

Permawar.

[dailykoff]

8. Oh absolutely, VERY knowingly.

That's been my conclusion since I figured out that the Trade Center collapses were exactly what they looked like, demo jobs. Check my journal for irrefutable proof if anyone is interested (last entry).

Thanks for getting this out there! :thumbsup:

[warren pease]

10. Worse yet...

They ARE the very monsters they claimed to be fighting against.

I'll be amazed if they actually leave next January. They've got too much to lose and really nothing to gain by complying with the 22nd amendment.

Not to mention the fact that, if they do leave, that may well be the only time they've ever done anything that doesn't violate some part of the Constitution.


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[AntiFascist]

11. K&R, I suspect...

that George H. W. Bush and his cronies, including Cheney and Rumsfeld, have planned this for a long time. Radicalizing the mujahadeen was necessary in order to create a series of wars that would allow Big Oil to control oil resources in the Middle East. The connections between Bush Senior, Saudi Intelligence, BCCI, Pakistani intelligence, and al Qaeda are all too obvious.

[dailykoff]

12. Oil and heroin.

There's gold in them thar poppies.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

13. Keeping America scared

While claiming you're keeping it safe.

Perfect storm achieved.

K&R for lala and kpete!!

:loveya: :hug: :patriot:

[Psyop Samurai]

14. "Bush administration has created the very monsters they claimed to be fighting against"

This was apparent at the time of the Iraq invasion.

It spelled treason, mass murder, and fraud on a biblical scale, and conspiracy to commit all of the above and more. That's why my lazy, middle-aged fag ass was in the street with masked anarchists.

And yet we are supposed to believe that we (the vast majority of us being regular schmucks with an internet connection) are somehow smarter than our entire government.

As for "knowingly creating a program" of manufacturing "terrorists", I don't think it need be as specific as that (though even that wouldn't surprise me).

The psychopaths are masters of creating chaos, from which they intend to profit. They have waged mindwar through the media, weaponizing a minority but significant percentage of the population against us, as well as weaponizing us against ourselves. They have weaponized law enforcement against us. And they have no doubt weaponized many foreigners against us.

It is a criminal enterprise from beginning to end, without regard to consequences (except how they might profit from them).

[Psyop Samurai]

15. And another thing...

damn you, kpete & larisa, you got me riled up now. :P

All of this "pretending not to know" what was clearly evident more than five years ago is a crime of monstrous proportions against we the people (what's left of us), and I personally intend to seek damages.

We have ALL been tortured, in direct proportion to the degree to which we retain an intact mind and conscience, and inverse proportion to our degree of compartmentalization.

[kenny blankenship]

16. Maj Gen. A. Taguba:There is no longer any doubt that the current administration committed war crimes

CNN "Report: Exams reveal abuse, torture of detainees"

Warcrimes. This is a fucking General of the United States Army (ret.) stating in public that the President is guilty of Warcrimes. Can we impeach him now, Nancy?