I Want a List of the TRAITOROUS, SPINELESS House Dems that Voted to Give Immunity to Bush.

[NoodleyAppendage]

Does anyone have a list of the Dems who voted in favor of removing the last best chance we had to prove illegality on Bush's part. And, make no mistake, while the Telecoms wanted the security, this CAPITULATION was more about insulating Bush and any of the turn-coat, Dems who knew about warrantless spying and approved it.

WE NEED TO KEEP THE TRAITOR LIST ALIVE AND VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT OF OFFICE. A vote of "YES" for the FISA Bill should equal a swift kick in the ass and out of power.

J

[Eric J in MN]

1. Democrats are the ones not in italics

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll437.xml

[Aqaba]

2. Ask and ye shall receive

The 105 Capitulators from the http://www.boomantribune.com/">Booman Tribune

Below the fold I have the list of the 105 Democrats that voted to shred our 4th Amendment rights. As you'll see, the group is made up almost entirely of members of either/both the New Democrat Coalition or the Blue Dog Coalition. In addition to members from those two caucuses, almost every remaining offender is either a member of the leadership, holds an important chairmanship, sits on Silvestre Reyes' Intelligence Committee, or represents New York's metro region (and therefore might fear getting blamed for a terror attack).

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

3. Now...

How might we use that list to make their lives a living hell?

[Breeze54]

14. Vote them OUT?

:shrug:

[L. Coyote]

4. Since when does this give immunity to Bush? Have you read the bill?

[NoodleyAppendage]

5. By immunizing the Telecoms...they will NEVER be forced to testify about what Bush ordered them to do

And, that is a SHIELD of immunization for Bush. Without cases making it to court, there will NEVER be any real understanding or accountability for what Bush did.

J

[L. Coyote]

7. They do not get immunity unless the Admins shows what they told the telecoms!

So, what you say is the opposite of the new bill.
They only get imumnity is it is demonstrated that the Admin. made a valid request.
That forces a showing!!

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

11. Yes. Actually, it appears both the telecoms and Bushco are backed into a corner on this one.

IMHO.

[NoodleyAppendage]

12. Forces a showing...assuming that a valid case can be brought to court.

Any lawsuit attempting to force the case was likely to use the tact of going through the telecom's collusion, which is now moot. No court is going to hear a case against the telecoms on this matter because of this bill.

Defend them and jump through hoops if you want, but the take home message today was one of SPINELESS DEMS capitulating the telecom pressure and Bush bullying.


J

[alarimer]

6. Why is it that Republicans all vote in lockstep but Democrats have so many traitors?

(traitors to the party I mean). You see this all the time. Republicans get what they want because they all (with very few exceptions) vote for it and also manage to get many Democrats to also vote for it. Of course I realize that many of those Democrats are DINOS or Blue Dogs (in my opinion not really Democrats but the question is how to get rid of them).

[MikeNearMcChord]

8. I wrote a strongly worded letter to my Rep, Norm Dicks

Somehow that name is appropriate for this shameful act.

[LiberalFighter]

9. Don't forget the Senate Democrats that voted yes or didn't vote

[Initech]

10. We need to completely gut DC. Every last fucking one of 'em.

[NoodleyAppendage]

13. Traitor List Here. Save and Refer to During Election Season. VOTE THESE BASTARDS OUT OF OFFICE.

Ackerman, Gary- Bayside, New York
Altmire, Jason- New Democrat
Arcuri, Michael- Blue Dog, New Democrat
Baca, Joe- Blue Dog
Baird, Brian- New Democrat
Barrow, John- Blue Dog, New Democrat
Bean, Melissa- Blue Dog, New Democrat
Berkley, Shelley- New Democrat
Berman, Howard- Chair, Foreign Affairs Committee
Berry, Marion-
Bishop, Sanford (GA)- Blue Dog
Bishop, Tim (NY)- Southhampton, New York (Long Island)
Boren, Dan- Blue Dog
Boswell, Leonard- Member, Intelligence Committee, Blue Dog
Boucher, Rick-
Boyd, Allen (FL)- Blue Dog
Boyda, Nancy (KS)-
Brown, Corrine- Progressive
Butterfield, G.K. -
Cardoza, Dennis- Blue Dog
Carney, Chris- Blue Dog, New Democrat
Castor, Kathy-
Cazayoux, Dan-
Chandler, Ben- Blue Dog, New Democrat
Childers, Travis-
Cleaver, Emanuel- Progressive
Clyburn, Jim- Leadership, Progressive
Cooper, Jim- Blue Dog
Costa, Jim- Blue Dog
Cramer, Bud- Member, Intelligence Committee, Blue Dog
Crowley, Joe- Jackson Heights, New York, New Democrat
Cuellar, Henry- New Democrat
Davis, Artur (AL)- Leadership, New Democrat
Davis, Lincoln- Blue Dog
Dicks, Norm-
Donnelly, Joe- Blue Dog
Edwards, Chet (TX)-
Ellsworth, Brad- Blue Dog
Emanuel, Rahm- Leadership, New Democrat
Engel, Eliot- Bronx, New York, New Democrat
Etheridge, Bob- New Democrat
Giffords, Gabrielle- Blue Dog, New Democrat
Gillibrand, Kirsten- Blue Dog, New Democrat
Gordon, Bart- Blue Dog
Green, Al-
Green, Gene-
Gutierrez, Luis- Progressive
Harman, Jane- Blue Dog, New Democrat
Hastings, Alcee (FL)-
Herseth Sandlin- Blue Dog, New Democrat
Higgins, Brian- Buffalo, New York, New Democrat
Hinojosa, Ruben-
Holden, Tim- Blue Dog
Hoyer, Steny- Majority Leader
Kanjorski, Paul-
Kildee, Dale-
Kind, Ron- New Democrat
Klein, Ron (FL)- New Democrat
Lampson, Nick- Blue Dog, New Democrat
Langevin, James- Member, Intelligence Committee
Lipinski, Dan-
Lowey, Nita- White Plains, New York
Mahoney, Tim (FL)- Blue Dog, New Democrat
Marshall, Jim- Blue Dog
Matheson, Jim- Blue Dog
McCarthy, Carolyn (NY)- Garden City, New York, New Democrat
McIntyre, Mike- Blue Dog, New Democrat
McNerney, Jerry-
Meeks, Gregory (NY)- Jamaica, New York, New Democrat
Melancon, Charlie- Blue Dog, New Democrat
Mitchell, Harry-
Moore, Dennis (KS)- Blue Dog, New Democrat
Murphy, Patrick- Member, Intelligence Committee, Blue Dog, New Democrat
Murtha, Jack- Chair, Appropriations Defense Subcommittee
Ortiz, Solomon-
Pelosi, Nancy- Speaker of the House
Perlmutter, Ed- New Democrat
Peterson, Collin (MN)- Chair, Agriculture Committee, Blue Dog
Pomeroy, Earl- Blue Dog
Rahall, Nick- Chair, Natural Resources Committee
Reyes, Silvestre- Chair, Intelligence Committee
Richardson, Laura- Progressive
Rodriguez, Ciro-
Ross, Mike- Blue Dog
Ruppersberger, Dutch- Member, Intelligence Committee
Salazar, John- Blue Dog
Schiff, Adam- Member, Intelligence Committee, Blue Dog, New Democrat
Scott, David (GA)- Blue Dog, New Democrat
Sestak, Joe- New Democrat
Sherman, Brad-
Shuler, Heath- Blue Dog
Sires, Albio- Jersey City, New Jersey
Skelton, Ike- Chair, Armed Services Committee
Smith, Adam (WA)- New Democrat
Snyder, Vic- New Democrat
Space, Zach- Blue Dog
Spratt, Jack- Chair, Budget Committee
Stupak, Bart-
Tanner, John- Blue Dog
Tauscher, Ellen- New Democrat
Taylor, Gene- Blue Dog
Thompson, Bennie (MS)- Chair, Homeland Security, Progressive
Udall, Mark (CO)- running for Senate
Wilson, Charlie (OH)- Blue Dog
Yarmuth, John-