Pat Buchanan Hitler Revisionist- Hitler never wanted the Holocaust

[Ichingcarpenter]

Christopher Hitchens gave a scathing review of Nazi Pat's new book in Newsweek, Buchanan
was not happy with it and wrote and editorial defending himself.

Read Hitchens review at Newsweek here:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/141501

So, Pat answered back with some of these GEMS of bullshit.

"Hitler never wanted to conquer the world. "


"If Hitler were out to conquer the world, why did he not build a great fleet? Why did he not demand the French fleet when France surrendered?"


"That Hitler was a rabid anti-Semite is undeniable. "Mein Kampf" is saturated in anti-Semitism. The Nuremberg Laws confirm it. But for the six years before Britain declared war, there was no Holocaust, and for two years after the war began, there was no Holocaust."



"The Holocaust was not a cause of the war, but a consequence of the war. No war, no Holocaust."

Read Pat's article here:
http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/PatrickJBuchanan/2008/06/20/was_the_holocaust_inevitable?page=2

Even the right wing blog, Little Green Football, has removed Town Hall from their list
of sources because of Pat's comments.....

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30416

I know I'm not suppose to link to these sites, but Pat Buchanan is a major commentator
for MSNBC ie. Morning Joe, Abrams report, Race to the White House, Hardball and even sometimes Keith Olbermann. I think he really stepped in shit and then put his foot in his mouth.

[wtmusic]

1. Two fascists on different sides of the coin.

Let 'em moida each uddah.

[Ichingcarpenter]

4. Pat should be removed from M$NBC

None of the Hosts of any of the programs he is on should
allow a NAZI sympathizer credence.

[bluerum]

2. I don't know how this miscreant keeps getting air time and published.

[sandnsea]

3. And this is why we defend Israel, at any cost n/t

[arcadian]

7. What? How does Buchanans remarks translate into defense of Israel?

n't

[Carnea]

5. Boy I bet all those Elderly Jews that voted for him in 2000 are feeling stupid now...

:sarcasm:

[Canuckistanian]

6. What is his obsession with Hitler?

He always seems to steer unrelated discussions into talk about HITLER.

And why does he invent this twisted logic to DEFEND what Hitler did? If Hitler didn't want the Holocaust he would have stopped it.

And what is his greater point? That Hitler "wasn't such a bad guy, after all"?

The man is getting more and more transparent every day.

[11cents]

9. The Holocaust didn't start until millions of Jews were living under Nazi occupation

And millions of Jews weren't under Nazi occupation until Germany invaded Poland, Russia, France, etc. Of course the invasion of Poland, which had the largest Jewish population in Europe, was what started the war.

I mean, duh. The Holocaust started after the war because the Jews weren't "available" until then. (The Jewish population of Germany itself was only about half a million, and many of those were able to emigrate in the '30s.)

[Canuckistanian]

13. Right.

But Buchanan interprets that as "not wanting a Holocaust".

As if the war "suddenly gave him this idea" of slaughtering millions.

[TahitiNut]

22. Not quite true.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3496511&mesg_id=3496926

[AlCzervik]

8. Yes Pat, don't forget, Hitler liked dogs too!

[krispos42]

10. Dear Christ, did he really say that?

It took Hitler a few years to consolidate is power and manipulate the masses into thinking that exterminating Jews was a good idea that deserves public support. First you have to restrict them, then you have to mark them, then you have to destroy public symphathy for them, then you have to rob them of their homes, business, and valuables and concentrate them in ghettos. Then, finally, you can start loading the trains, filling the showers, and firing up the cremeatoriums.



Ol Pat should read "In the Presence of Mine Enemies" by Harry Turtledove.

[LeftishBrit]

11. Buchanan is vile...

I have hated him ever since he wrote an article, quite a few years ago, defending LePen. Now he seems to have graduated to defending Hitler.

Of course it took some time before the Holocaust could happen: firstly the machinery needed to be built up; secondly, as others have said, he had to have power over Jews in occupied countries as well as Germany to be able to kill so many. This does not mean that it's somehow all the fault of the Allies for daring to fight him!

How much of an influence does Buchanan in fact have?

[rockymountaindem]

12. The Germans DID try to gain control of the French Navy, you ignorant ass!!!

Ever heard of the scuttling at Toulon? Or the bombardment of Oran by the British navy? Arrrrgh!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttling_of_the_French_fleet_in_Toulon#Operation_Lila
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Mers-el-K%C3%A9bir

As for his Holocaust analysis, there was no Holocaust until 1941 because the Germans had not yet settled on extermination as the means of destroying the Jewish population. Prior to that they had entertained ideas of deporting them or making conditions so bad all the Jews would emigrate (which might of happened if Buchanan's ideological ilk in the US and other countries been willing to admit Jewish refugees prior to 1939). It wasn't until the war was well underway that the Germans figured out that their other plans were infeasible and that if they were going to get rid of Europe's Jewish population, mass extermination was the only means available.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_plan

[Richard Steele]

14. Every time I think a RWer couldn't get more stupid and vile, they prove me wrong. GRRRecommended.

[Ichingcarpenter]

15. I was surprised at LGF's stance since they have a larger audience

than FR.

[jwirr]

16. Well Patty why was it his personal SS troops that carried it out?

[GreenPartyVoter]

17. Dang! He's getting crazier by the year

[NewJeffCT]

18. Well, we have Coulter defending Joe McCarthy, Malkin

defending the internment of Japanese in World War 2.... now, Patty-boy defending Hitler.

What's next for these intellectual titans of the right? Defending slavery or the rape of Nanking, or maybe the treatment of Native Americans?

[madmusic]

19. California's role in Nazis' goal of 'purification'

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/03/10/BU91464.DTL

[Fire Walk With Me]

20. This is exactly the same as Bush not wanting torture, invasions, oil monopolies, high gas prices,

spying, etc.

LOOK AT ALL HE'S DONE TO STOP THESE THINGS HE DOESN'T WANT!

:rofl:

[TahitiNut]

21. Kristallnacht (November 9-10, 1938) was the titular beginning of the Holocaust.

It was on November 12, 1938, that the "Final Solution" was conceived, under orders from Hitler, in a meeting convened by Hermann Goering. Germany didn't invade Poland (and Britain declare war) until September, 1939.