What will you 'hate' Obama for tomorrow?

[Stinky The Clown]

Today its FISA.

What will it be tomorrow? Or the day after? Or the day after that.

Yasee, here's a few things to keep in mind.

He isn't perfect. No one is. Least of all presidential candidates trying to appeal to 300 million people.

He's in a campaign. He's won the Dems already. Now he needs to say and do shit to get Not Dems to vote for him. That means saying shit that sounds like he's centrist (which, I might remind everyone, he actually is, the right wing crap about "the most lberal Senator since we had liberal Senators" notwithstanding).

You're gunna vote for him, almost no matter what he says, so why say ANYthing negative about him? What does that do? Make **you** feel better? Just can it. It isn't helping.

One thing the Repubicans have ALL OVER US is at least the appearance of a modicum of party unity, even when they hate the guy, as they do McCain. Or when they see the guy as little more than a punching bag, as they did Bob "Gimme a Hard On" Dole. Imagine how unified they can be when they like the guy. And this go-round Dems mostly like Obama. They really do like him. So can we show some unity? Even if all that means is keeping your mouth shut with that negative crap once in a while? At least till election day? Then you can go back to the normal circular firing squad posture.

If you go back to the primary wars here on DU, you'll find that both the Clinton and the Obama camps loved to fight with whatever **I** said. I was no fan of either one of our candidates. But now that he's OUR candidate, he's MY candidate. I know most of you are the same way. But for those few of you who just can't resist ..... maybe duct tape is your answer.

Keep your eye on the ball ...... mmmmmkay?

[az chela]

1. Great post,thanks for this

[SammyWinstonJack]

2. "mmmmmkay?'

:boring:

[tazkcmo]

3. For voting for FISA

Already wrpte my "representative" and called him a traitor for voting for it.

[graywarrior]

4. Thank you.

[EFerrari]

5. Another "shut up" thread. No thanks. n/t

[Skittles]

9. START GOOSE-STEPPING !!!

GET WITH THE PROGRAM!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. But, as a "good" Democrat you must.....

[Bluerthanblue]

6. well, I might

disagree with him on some issues. Sometimes strongly - but Hate? - never.

Hate is toxic.

Nice post-
I hope we can learn to listen to one another, and learn from each other.

Having different opinions is healthy, it's also good not to lose perspective. IMO

Thanks-

peace~

[Stinky The Clown]

19. "hate" in the OP was in quotes

The intent was to show it wasn't to be taken literally.

But whatever ........

[Bluerthanblue]

34. well....

:shrug:

Whatever back at ya.

I can't seem to say anything without annoying you.

(I was agreeing with your post)


:shrug:

sorry :(

[phantom power]

7. I'm not worried, since Obama can handle the heat. He'd better be able to...

if he really wants this gig.

[alarimer]

8. So how long do we have to keep taking this shit?

They betray us at every turn and we are still supposed to vote for these assholes. The hell with that.

[Stinky The Clown]

20. What are your choices?

My bitch with both Obama and Clinton in the primaries was that neither of them was even close to liberal enough for me. I am also smart enough to know that my degree of liberalism couldn't get elected in These United States. So I am used to 'settling' for whatever the Dems have.

Third party is no option whatsoever. It is a wasted vote.

And the Repubicans are worse than evil.

You may not like that. I may not like that. But *that* is how it is.

[alarimer]

38. Sooner or later enough of us have to stop taking it.

I don't know how or when that will be. I personally have decided not to vote anymore. Probably forever.

[pt22]

10. You're right. If we criticize him, Republicans won't vote for him.

We must remember that.

[On the Road]

11. As Elvis Costello Wrote

"I can't forgive you for things you haven't done yet."

[Donnachaidh]

12. And WHY are people who worry about his caving in called HATERS?

This is the SAME CRAP used by the Republicans. It's deceitful, and insulting. And if y'all don't want to address the very REAL concerns that are consistently cropping up about what he is REALLY willing to do for the country - you're just as bad as the MSM.

That's some big tent attitude. :puke:

[tridim]

14. WHY are you yelling?

[Stinky The Clown]

21. Who called them haters?

Did you miss the quotes in the (unedited) OP? That was to indicate the word was not meant literally.

[ananda]

13. I don't hate Obama.

I simply don't like his support of bluedog
Dems over progressive Dems.

[Two Americas]

15. destructive

Criticism of a politic an does not constitute "hate." Saying that it does is a disingenuous way to marginalize and ridicule those who may disagree with you, and it is very suppressive and counter-productive.

No one is demanding that any politician be "perfect" and claiming that people are is just another way to shut down debate and intimidate people and discourage dissent.

"Why say anything negative" about a politician? Did I read that?

How does silencing critics help anything? There is no evidence that it has anything to do with electoral success. I would say that the opposite is true - enforced conformity in thought, word, and deed is destructive to the effort.

The only thing criticism harms is the fantasy world love-fest and hero worship that too many call "support" and that has more to do with people's emotional needs than it does with real world politics. That adolescent fan club thinking is what hurts the effort in the general election, not the critics. People hate that rah rah true-blue loyalty crap, and it dilutes and obfuscates the message to play at fan club and celebrity worship. It only works on each other, and the purpose of it is to suppress dissent so that people do not feel uncomfortable or have their illusions and fantasies challenged.

[chimpymustgo]

39. Great, great post, Two Americas. We will not be silenced for their worship services.

[barbtries]

16. i don't hate him

i reserve my hatred for bush, cheney, stupid destructive talking heads, etc...that does not mean that obama keeps on making me feel warm and fuzzy all the time. he doesn't. today, i am disappointed in his stand on the FISA bill. he's got the ear of the entire nation right now. i would really like to see him use his voice to stand for what's right. i'm disappointed in his stand on impeachment: i passionately believe that impeachment is called for, followed by criminal prosecutions. he's not going there and i really wish he would. i also believe that if he did, it would not be political suicide, but instead a political bonanza. the people are ready, they are more than ready.

will i vote for him? absolutely. but i don't have to love him, and i don't have to support every position he takes. i couldn't if i tried.

there are a lot of days between now and the election. that's a lot more damage the bushies can and undoubtedly will do. i am not ready to go into a holding pattern.

[Individualist]

17. Spin to your heart's content

Progressives won't buy what you're trying to sell.

[flyarm]

18. let see..Nafta, campaign financing, Fisa..

so many things so little time!!

oh and didn't his majesty go to one of the best law schools in the nation ?

and didn't he teach constitutional law???????

about that constitution..add that to the list as well..thank you!

Has Obama ever shown that he stands up for any one issue that he truly believes in?

nope he hasn't..

add that to the list as well!

fly

[daleo]

22. Obama seems a lot like Bill Clinton was

I think he will govern as a centrist and be quite friendly to corporate interests, but he will be well to the left of most Republicans. He will avoid wars for the most part, and attempt to address the deficit. If you didn't mind Clinton's administration, you won't mind Obama.

Frankly, all the vitriol in the primaries surprised me for this reason. I guess it is the narcissism of small differences.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. Citizens in a Democracy are supposed to criticize politicians.

Hell, the Republic was founded on that ideal.

[dana_b]

27. exactly!

I have not seen a post from anyone saying that they "hate" him, but that they do disagree with him or question his judgement on this issue. That is perfectly fine and will not be the last time before election day that this happens and it will definitely be more frequent after he wins, which I really think will happen. If people can't handle that, too bad.

[Bluebear]

25. Perhaps so he knows the steps when it comes to dance with them that brung him?

"so why say ANYthing negative about him?"

[tavalon]

26. Here's another point, though.

We've been blindly loyal for too many years and a la Peanuts character Charlie Brown, we've had the football pulled away too many times and just to mix the metaphor further, we've become like a hive of angry bees. Our Dems will not get a pass anymore. Yes, that makes it harder for Obama, but he needs to be savvy anough to realize he isn't playing with his parents Dems, these Dems are furious and ready to take it out on anyone, on any side, that betrays them. He's got a tricky job, more so than any other President in my conscious history, but if anyone is up for it, he is.

[Stinky The Clown]

32. "Our Dems will not get a pass anymore."

I bet they do.

Not a gloat. A resigned prediction.

[tabasco]

28. I will hate him for not taking personal command of DU and getting rid of the trolls.

This place is swarming with stealth trolls and it's made the place almost unreadable.

[Hekate]

29. You da man, Stinky. Good luck getting the real Bozos here to listen to reason.

Other than that thanks a bunch, because I agree with you completely.

Hekate

[spanone]

30. k&r

[Ghost in the Machine]

31. I'm gonna hate him because I had to eat a hamburger instead of buffalo chicken tonight...

Damn him!! Damn him all to HELL for making me run out of hot sauce!

DAMN HIM!!!

/faux outrage

[seasat]

33. I'll hate him for Windows Vista.

I can't stand the new operating system and Obama hasn't spoken out against it.

Then I'll blame him for reality TV. I hate it and Obama hasn't introduced legislation banning it.

That'll get me through until Tuesday but I'm sure I'll come up with something new. Does Obama have any connection to slow people in checkout lanes?

[mopinko]

35. the word from chicago.

i spent a very interesting day today, selling buttons at an art fair here in the heart of blue. i heard a couple of stories about obama that really gave me the warm fuzzies. things that had nothing to do with politics, where the man really bent over backwards for someone who is just a constituent. bent over for something that might have been spun the wrong way, but he did it anyway.

really. repeat after me- barack obama is the real deal. from the land of up close and personal, he is the real deal. really, really. i hesitate to spread this story, it is not mine to tell, but he really went above and beyond, because it was the right thing to do.

also had the pleasure of meeting a couple of fine ladies from trinity church. the message from them- the world is a mess, and barack didn't make it, reverend wright did not make it. we all know who made the mess. lets talk about that, instead of making a deal out of who wasn't able to stop the stupidity.

[mopinko]

36. the word from chicago.

i spent a very interesting day today, selling buttons at an art fair here in the heart of blue. i heard a couple of stories about obama that really gave me the warm fuzzies. things that had nothing to do with politics, where the man really bent over backwards for someone who is just a constituent. bent over for something that might have been spun the wrong way, but he did it anyway.

really. repeat after me- barack obama is the real deal. from the land of up close and personal, he is the real deal. really, really. i hesitate to spread this story, it is not mine to tell, but he really went above and beyond, because it was the right thing to do.

also had the pleasure of meeting a couple of fine ladies from trinity church. the message from them- the world is a mess, and barack didn't make it, reverend wright did not make it. we all know who made the mess. lets talk about that, instead of making a deal out of who wasn't able to stop the stupidity.

[JackRiddler]

37. This isn't about Obama at all.

And blind obedience to authority ("party unity") isn't something the Republicans "have over" the Democrats, it's one of the things that makes the Republicans so reprehensible.

No one is my leader, some I may choose to represent me.

I'll take the Constitution over "unity." Will Obama?