I feel this political correct stuff is dangerous .

[blues90]

But in 1982 I worked a a small ford delership as a tech and I was moved to the other side of the building to de\o the electical work on cars.

There were two older , in their 60's black men who did the new car prep, i was 33.

At first I got a cold response but when they saw how hard I worked it was not long before this cold broke.

It got to a point where we could joke about each other where I would get my long hair cut and Cal would come over and say you look like a pimp and I knew it was a joke and I would joke back at other times. It was healthy to be able to laugh at each other and laugh at ones self. We could say anything and knew it was a joke and what it did was break a barrier. We got to know each other well and trust each other where if it were by todays standards this would not have been possible.

It's become where people are bringing things back to the 50's. It not all so serious. This is not a good thing.

But to take it all so serious now and stop all contact and what's called horse play in the workplace makes everything dull and a bore and kills the spirit.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Yes, if only workplace banter were more like it was in the fifties.

:popcorn:

[Dogtown]

8. Oh, Yeah!

When women could take a joke and weren't offended by a little buttslap.

And when blackmen knew they were inferior even if they've been doing your job for 40+ years...


WE MAY HAVE A BLACK MAN IN THE OVAL OFFICE!!!!
:toast: :bounce: :applause: :applause: :applause: :bounce: :toast:

fuck the fifties. nothing back there *i* miss.

[Iris]

23. yep! Lovely to be a woman in an office or shopful of men getting her butt slapped!

Nothing wrong with that!

Yep! Fun! fun! fun!

[Dogtown]

26. I mean,

what woman doesn't want to feel pretty?

[Iris]

29. omg! This deserves a DUzy award!

:applause:


:rofl:
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[Dogtown]

39. nice to make your acquaintance, iris!

:hi:

edit:

:blush:

[Iris]

43. right back atcha!

Always nice to meet a liberated man from Georgia!

[AlCzervik]

2. the 50's? You mean when black people were "Coloreds"? Is that PC to you?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

10. Why don't you head out to the hallway, Toots.

Us men are trying to talk business here.

[AlCzervik]

12. ok, i'll shut my whore mouth now since the men are talking.

:D

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Wow, geez. Somebody's Aunt Flow is visiting. Yikes.

Am I right, fellas?

[AlCzervik]

14. pffft.

:rofl:

[QueenOfCalifornia]

15. I didn't know

you were a whore!1111!!1!!!

Come over here and we can listen to the men folk discuss the big issues. :popcorn:

[d_b]

89. word!

:p

[blues90]

21. That is not at all what I am talking about , you missed the point

I did not say or suggest racial slurs are funny . What I said is that when people get to break the ice and trust eachother and can laugh at eachother it is healthy and that's all I said . I don't feel forcing people who are willing to laugh at themselves and eachother is a bad thing.

We have had these politically correct rules for some time now and what has this changed other than to put up walls of defense rather than working it out together.

This is part of the problem where people read into things that were not said and go on the defense . I have no time for people like this.

You can take things anyway you want but this in no way makes it a reality.

I am not talking about some ignorant fool yelling out the N word from a pickup truck , I am talking about people who work together letting go of their prejudice and being open minded once they get to know eachother. You can't devide people and control them , that does not work.

I don't think calling one mentally challenged changes a thing. It's better than being called a retard but we still have the same issues to over come.

If you have a better solution I would like to here it , if you can get past the defense part.

[Iris]

24. and you think that can happen by making racial and sexist slurs a normal part of daily conversation?

[AlCzervik]

44. "It's become where people are bringing things back to the 50's" that's what you said, correct?

so if things are reverting back to the 50's than black people are coloreds and i need to get in the kitchen and make my husband a sandwich. As for the actual work environment back in the 50's i'm guessing many women were secretaries, not all of course but many and a lot of them were patted on the ass and condescended to, if that's where you think we're headed then i think you're incorrect.

[blues90]

50. No . I'm saying when you force people you go in the wrong direction

You can't force people to change their ways , this only causes more hate because they are forced. They have to realize where they are wrong and just changing the wording does nothing.

I see all sorts of people going on the defense now.

When I speak of horse play at the work place I am not refering to slaping women and the ass , that is going a bit far . I don't feel this is or ever was the proper behavoir of an adult. I was refering to my own experience where practical harmless pranks are now not allowed because there is always someone who took things to far.

It's the few who screw it up for the many. Most jobs are boring enough so now we can become robots. I'm talking about light harmless humor bewteen people who know eachother well enough to allow some levity.

Out of all the many places I have worked over 45 years I have yet to see a women slapped across the ass. This is not to say it does not happen but is it this common? I am not saying it is ok , it's not .

[AlCzervik]

59. look, i've been working since high school and there was always plenty of banter

mostly ok, there were always one or two assholes that would make inappropriate comments but they would have said the same things wherever they were. If "light harmless humor" is all that is then it shouldn't be a problem unless it really bothers someone. Sometimes the offender doesn't realize they're are being offensive. being "pc" as you call would be "being polite" for me.

[readmoreoften]

52. But you can still do that with your really good friends off hours.

My friends and I tease each other all the time. But they're my friends not folks I see on the job.

[uppityperson]

62. I think your OP was not well explained, but I get what you were talking about now.

Usually, once people get to be friends, their conversation IS more open and CAN be more joking. For instance, I call my sibs "the bitches" but from a stranger this is an insult. This is not PC, but knowing what the other person's intent is.

I have no issue with the civility inherent in PC language, any more than I do with other good manners though. But that is a different thing than friends/family stuff.

Is this what you mean?

[Dogtown]

76. Weak, on so many points.

Maybe you could just address them as Joe, or Mr. Andrews, or some respectful moniker that *doesn't* make a big deal about the (slight) differences between you?

And then maybe tell a political joke, or a sports anecdote, or something that's ice-breaking but *not* discriminatory or hurtful?

Hmmmm?

Look, on the slight chance you're on the level i'll explain *0nce* why you're not getting it.

I *won't* waste time and bandwidth, so if you're one of THOSE, don't pester me. I refuse to feed the bears.

1. The Far Right hijacked the term "PC" and made it into a negative-concept meme: when they use it it means "arbitrary rules that impede honesty" but what they actually mean is "if you call me out for being a racist, sexist, homophobe, or any other kind of bigot I can counter by calling you a PC-nazi".
Really, PC is your friend. It reminds you not to say the hurtful things that have been said in the past.

2. Repeating a negative concretizes the negative; that is, it makes people accept it as truth. An example is a kid saying "That's so gay!" as a mocking insult. The usage colors the term gay to seem a very undesirable thing, whereas it's very neutral if you're not an interested party (to gays, it's a very positive experience) but with repetition people really don't want to be associated with being 'gay".

The good old days weren't good. When you were born, in the 50s, those men would have made less than you for the same job, even with their 30 years experience. And they were called "niggers" in a very ugly and demeaning way. You don't get it, but they probably tolerated your behavior, rather than enjoying it and "bonding" with you. If you're bullied enough, by the time you're 60 you can ignore a lot of shit.

We're roughly the same age. How the hell did you make it out of the 60s without learning this? In the 50's, as a child, I used the word "nigger". To my deep and lasting shame. I hurt people, and didn't realize how ugly it was, I was just repeating what I heard.

In the 60s, I saw the Civil Rights movement clips on the news, and the hideous racism and brutality of the southern police. And I began to learn.

In Viet Nam, my black brothers feared like me, fought like me, bled like me.

By the 80s my education was nearly complete. Not in jest or earnest will I use that word, or "bitch", fag or any other hurtful, untrue labels.

I still use 'fundy" though. But that's a different lesson.

So, suspending my disbelief that you missed the entire 60s, do you understand now that the Idyllic time you remember never really happened?

[Binka]

81. A Big Smooch For You!

What a righteous rant. You really ROCK. :yourock:

[Dogtown]

83. To Binka and lukasahero:

Thanks for the props, guys!

:hi:

[lukasahero]

82. OMG - who are you and how have I not noticed you before?

What an outstanding smackdown/education!

"It reminds you not to say the hurtful things that have been said in the past." Seriously, does anything more need to be said to someone on a Democratic discussion board?

[yardwork]

84. What are you talking about?

What politically correct rules are interfering with your ability to get along with your coworkers? Please be specific.

[asdjrocky]

3. When did saying-

"Nice tits" go out of style, that's what I want to know.

[smoogatz]

4. It did?

Ruh roh.

[asdjrocky]

9. Trust me, you'll find out the hard way.

See reply No. 5.

[lukasahero]

5. When people grew up. eom

[Bluerthanblue]

11. quite a few 'children' in this world of ours-

[Tangerine LaBamba]

22. This post

is the single funniest thing I've ever seen on DU.

Thank you.

[asdjrocky]

34. Well thank you-

But I must give Lewis Black credit. He said this almost same exact line in the film -and you'll notice that I say "film" and not movie- Accepted.

[SpookyCat]

67. Ok, that's funny...(I'm not a good person...) n/t

[QueenOfCalifornia]

6. The fun just left

when the nigger jokes became uncool... :eyes:

[blues90]

30. Jesus , I am not talking about stupid N jokes or jokes at all

Why not open your mind to what I was really saying . Do you think I came here promoting the idea that it is ok to be outright mean?

I am talking about when you know people on a personal level and they and you understand each other enough to be able to laugh at how insane things can be.

I am not a racist, forget it you just simply don't understand.

I don't see where politically correct changed a thing so far. There has to be a better way to at least allow people to open their minds.

I have known gays who joke and call themselves fags in an attempt to lighten it up , if one is a grown up then can respond and laugh at eachother by saying something about themselves to break the tension.

I don't feel getting defensive will solve a thing. You do have to knwo the person first and then when one see's that people of all race and preference are all really the same then the hate will end. It has to start small and be passed on , if not then we will always be stuck in this hell.

[lukasahero]

45. Taking you at your word, how is "political correctness" stopping you

from getting to know people at a personal level? I have never felt the need to call one of my friends a "fag" to further our friendship. I have never needed to feel free to use derogatory names and slurs to get beyond the stereotypes and bigotry of hate to see "that people of all race and preference are all really the same".

Perhaps instead of fighting against what is "politically correct" in your opinion, you could give some consideration as to why people who are affected by the hateful words, discrimination and harassment might prefer to have rules in the workplace that prevent those who would seek to do harm from doing so.

[uppityperson]

63. PC is good manners. Using bad manners doesn't "allow people to open their minds".

Do you use a different set of manners between close friends and people who aren't? Is that what you are talking about, not about PC to the Larger Public?

[SpookyCat]

66. I understand what you're trying to say, I think,

and I also understand the push back.

For me, 40 y/o white female who has worked both traditional "female" jobs, (secretary, library) and non-traditional (loading trucks for UPS, tech support now...) please allow me to offer my take, FWIW...

For me, it's been how well do I know you? If I know you well enough, we work together well and have a cammraderie, then the jokes might get more blue or language less polite (I'm an inordinatley fond of the word fuck...)

However, I have told people I work with, you do not know me well enough to make that joke to me. That's not to say it couldn't be funny at all, jsut you don't know it doesn't bother me, and/or I don't know where you're coming from.

Also, when I was a secretary, whoooo-doggies! The stereotypes and assumptions stopped at about 1952.

I am 6' tall in my socks, and not exactly what could be described as coy. Yet I had male clients say "get me some coffee honey..." and (I swear to freakin' dog!) slap their laps when I walk as an invitation for me to sit there...

THAT is where the push back is coming from I think, my friend. I know you didn't intend that as being ok, but I think that's the nerve being hit.

Right now I'm quite lucky to be on a team of geeks with similar dark/blue humor that we give each other shit all the time, and joke that it's only a matter of time until someone writes us up! HA!

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I just reread this and I do hope it makes sense...I'm in between doing stuff...

[SpookyCat]

68. I really don't think that's what he meant...

I think it hit a nerve with people based on ones' own experiences, but I truly don't think he meant that.

:hug:

[Bluerthanblue]

7. don't ask- don't tell

might kill a few spirits- eh?

That's been in some people's workplace for awhile now.


:shrug:

peace

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[Lex]

16. Why can't the coloreds, the queers, and the crippleds just lighten up

fer chrissakes?

Sheesh, you can't tell a good N*word joke these days without everyone getting all offended.

[Indenturedebtor]

19. I know right? If they would just accept that fact that WASPs are superior

They wouldn't get offended when people make fun of their "differences".

Non white christian people are HILARIOUS! HAHAHA you don't love Jesus, and you have a really dark tan! HAHAHAHAHAHA you don't have a penis! HAH! Funny funny.

[Phillycat]

57. Not to mention the bitches and the ho's!

[yardwork]

85. And all these rules!!! It's taken the fun out of everything.

Hell, I got fired the other day just for putting a firecracker on my coworker's chair! It only burned his butt a little bit. What's the big deal? I was just trying to break the ice.

Damn liberals have ruined everything.

[Indenturedebtor]

17. I spent 3 years in the car business. Just got out. Frankly half my days were ruined by non-PC

Assholes. Get in an argument with someone, prove them wrong, and the kike jokes come out. Or how about the one about Asian Women in reference to my wife? Or how about the 60 year old moustachio'd asshat who tried to convince me that Jews brought every suffering in history onto themselves? And on and on and on. You start with the "jokes" and at some point the common dialogue turns to more serious bigotted ideas.

Political Correctness protects the "exotics" from the hateful majority. Genocidal justification starts with "jokes", becomes "conventional wisdom", and ends with "action".

There are plenty of ways to joke harshly with someone without falling back on unoriginal racial/religious/sexist slurs. Why not get personal instead? Personally I like to insult dude's manhood, looks, and intellect. When I'm feeling frisky I go after their life history, eating habits, etc. Good times ;)

[Iris]

27. damn - we need to form a gang and go kick some car salesmen asses!

That is some disgusting, sick shit. I'm glad you aren't there any more.

And you are dead on here:
"Political Correctness protects the "exotics" from the hateful majority. Genocidal justification starts with "jokes", becomes "conventional wisdom", and ends with "action".


There was a scene in The Pianist where this was all too clear when a German yucks it up with a Jew by making a joke about how "we all know" how cheap Jews are.

[Indenturedebtor]

32. Me too! But nothing different about the car salesmen really

The only difference was that we had a lot of time on our hands and a permissive environment.

Customers were often the worst. What's really "funny" about being Jewish is that alot of times people can't tell/don't know. So if you laugh at one of their little feeler jokes they sometimes get "serious" with you about "those Jews".

[Iris]

37. that's kind of creepy!

I don't run into many people who bash Jewish folks, but I live in the South, so it's often assumed I'm racist until I speak up.

[EFerrari]

42. Yep. If you can "pass", you get to hear all kinds of interesting things.

I did, as a very fair skinned, green eyed Latina.

[Indenturedebtor]

47. Oooo I bet I know what your favorite phrase is!!!

"But you don't look Mexican!" :eyes:

[EFerrari]

49. One of my grammar school teachers kept asking if I was sure

that I wasn't Italian!

lol

[Indenturedebtor]

58. What a moron n/t

[SemiCharmedQuark]

80. I have dark brown hair and eyes but light skin. So with my hair highlighted and my green contacts

I was also privy to some of the conversations and jokes that "PC" supposedly killed.

[yardwork]

86. Yep. My fairskinned green-eyed Latina partner gets that all the time.

"But you don't look..."

[SpookyCat]

69. Oooh, don't get me started!

As a white chick, I've had bigots from many different groups "assume" that I am also a bigot, and feel free to say jokes that are hateful or just straight up, "you know how such and such are"...

I get a tad unpleasant when that happens, and it usually starts with "how DARE you assume I'm a pig like you!"


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course I jsut used the phrase white chick, so I hope *I* didn't just offend someone! :P

[Dogtown]

88. "Manhood", Indenturedebtor????

What like act like he's gay or something?

Dude, please delete that from your post (and, hopefully, from your arsenal). You just belittled every gay brother in this forum.

Rings very hollow after your anecdotes about the prejudice you've witnessed.

[sui generis]

18. I get what you're saying.

The main thing is p.c. rules are for stupid people who need blanket rules, who can't even IMAGINE having a dialogue based on context, and for the other kind of stupid people who can't distinguish.

So, good thing and bad thing all in one. Example: as a gay man I don't mind use of the word "queer" among friends. I can't stand it when a stranger presumes. Difference being, I'm willing to endure a bit of transient discomfort not to have to live with a one size fits all rule.

The ONLY thing you can do is keep your own company, use common sense, be prepared to apologize, and not worry what the uber-pc-nazis have to say. They will even tell you to wad or fold, and wipe north to south or south to north, depending if you're from California or not. :hide:

flame away!

[ProfessorGAC]

20. Cogent Post, sui

The Professor

[unpossibles]

25. I agree with you

there is a HUGE difference in context, especially if someone belongs to or is welcome within the group they are "denigrating" (or pretending to).

On the other hand, I have a bad case of foot in mouth disease, and this can lead to possible misunderstandings. In college, one of my best friends was an older black guy named Jerry and we were constantly joking around - usually not calling each other names or anything, but still 'busting each other's balls' so to speak, and usually just between the two of us outside of class. Both of us are respectful people, who generally don't insult others, are very politically aware and active, and consider ourselves fairly enlightened and aware of hate speech.

Well, one day we were in class and for whatever reason, he made some redneck crack at me, so I responded that "we prefer the term necks of color" a bit too loudly. For about a second, I got some really, really angry and hurt looks from the suddenly dead silent room, about half of which I did not personally know, and I was one of very few white people in the class.

I think the fact that Jerry and some of my other black friends started laughing their asses off kind of saved the moment for me - they knew I was not a racist asshole even if I sounded like one for a second, and it helped loosen the moment, but I felt really bad too. Even the teacher - a very political, respected, and prominent black community leader - found it amusing, but again we knew each other really well as he was one of my mentors and inspirations in school.

I don't like offending people, and I am not one of those people who prefers the "PC" way of being a racist prick - in fact, I was kind of making fun of that mentality when I said it, but if you don't know me, someone might think I was being serious.

All that said, fuck returning to the 50's. Hell, we still have a long way to go toward equality, and seeing "PC" as a stumbling block is the wrong way of approaching things. Instead of worrying about being PC, why not worry about trying to treat people as equals, and to try to lose the old labels of hate, right?

[blues90]

35. right on .

[EFerrari]

28. I don't understand why people get so upset about social pressure.

It's always there in some form, whether it be for fake PCness or to join a church or how you keep your front yard or how you dress your children. :shrug:

[Carnea]

33. Can you still say Queer the Deal cause thats a gray area as far as I know....

plus how do you spell gray is it grey or gray and if someone is grey do we refer to them as Ashen American or just deceased????

:silly: :silly:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. The difference is that you know when it's hurtful or demeaning.

As does the person who it's addressing.

It's not rocket science to realize when something you might say in jest is jest or meant to harm or demean the other person.

It's like the silliness of Obama's "Sweetie". Did he mean it to be hurtful or demeaning to the person he addressed it to? Did the person he address it to take his comment to be demeaning or hurtful?

I think not.

I used to teach classes to employees of the government agency I worked for, and these kind of questions always came up, (usually in a sneering "it's just PC Bullshit" way), and I always countered with the argument that the party making the comments knows what the intended effect is.

It has nothing to do with "political correctness", it has to do with common human decency.

[EFerrari]

36. "PC" is one of those obfuscating terms like "race card".

Real people with real concerns rarely use them.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

38. Exactly.

When confronted, inevitably, in my classes by the "sticks and stones.." argument, I would ask the questioner if 6 year old Black girls, "only" being called nigger by a white mob was hurtful?

It always killed the argument.

[Lex]

41. Agree 100%.

I swear, I think Frank Luntz (or someone equally as slimy) coined it.

[AlCzervik]

53. nailed it.

:thumbsup:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

78. BINGO!

It's complaints from people who are mad they can't complain about "wetbacks" anymore.

[FreeState]

40. I think your getting PC confused with appropriate behavior for comrade's in the privacy

of their own homes or close conversations.

[blues90]

46. do you think this PC actually has changed anything?

It's just a kinder made up way of describing anyone yet there is still slurs out there that have not gone away .

I feel if people who get to know eachother can joke about how insane the references are then this works like the grass roots from the inside out and will end the hate , that's all .

[Indenturedebtor]

48. No I think that raising the public consciousness about appropriate speech and interactions

Has made a big difference. I know that my generation is much more careful to be sensitive with language.

[blues90]

51. what is your generation ? And how do you know PC has changed this

and not just time has changed this.

[EFerrari]

55. Time changes everything. A social focus on awareness changes things faster. n/t

[Indenturedebtor]

61. Well I haven't conducted a study or anything

But I know that I was treated to a 15 year campaign regarding PC. I am at the top edge of the "Millenial" generation. All through school we had guest speakers etc regarding cultural sensitivity. Certainly all of the campaigns for embracing multiculturalism, and changes in the general public attitude had a lot to do with this.

However I think that being PC and espousing the virtues of PC is all part of the general drive for a more accepting and less bigoted society.

[FreeState]

54. Actually I dont believe in PC - to me its a right wing talking point

that they use in order to grant themselves the right to degrade minorities.

[Dogtown]

77. They actually hijacked it

It was originally a term used to describe correct, polite, progressive values; they cynically warped it's meaning to "thought police" bullshit to discredit Politically Correct Sensitivity.

[yardwork]

87. I still don't understand what you're talking about. Please be specific.

Is it better to make fun of somebody if we snicker at them while pointing and calling them "developmentally disabled" as opposed to an uglier term? No.

Ugliness is in the behavior, not so much the term. There are certain terms that are absolutely unacceptable, but you wouldn't use those terms anyway, right? You're not seriously suggesting that you would get along better with your coworkers if you called them by the "n" word, are you?

[Sheets of Easter]

56. First things first- there is no such thing as "political correctness."

I doesn't exist- never has. It's a right-wing straw man that picked up steam in recent decades.

[Lorien]

74. It's their excuse for being rude, racist, sexist bigots. n/t

[SemiCharmedQuark]

79. "Society tells me that I can't use slurs and stereotypes in jokes anymore...it can't be my fault.."

"SOCIETY is wrong"

[mrreowwr_kittty]

60. Yeah, some women have no sense of humor about it

I mean, what's the harm in the boys blowing off a little steam by humiliating joking around with their female coworkers?

:sarcasm:

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

64. To this day, I'm asked if it's really true that I'm Italian

because I don't look Italian. WTF is that supposed to mean???? I hate that. I wish people had more tact that that. And yes, I've been quizzed about my decidedly un-Italian appearance (never mind that in Italy people come in all colors, shapes and sizes, as well as blonde hair, fair skinned ones like me) in the work place in freaking 2008.

[seabeyond]

65. 70's, i worked for coca cola and walk into service room, huge picture of naked woman on wall with

her legs spread. as i am tellng them about the service call i got to hear their crude and tacty and disgusting comments on the female body..... i was young, a kid.... and was humilating, but what the fuck, i should have embraced it all instead of being embarrassed by the pathetic behavior of male to put me in my place.

[Super Soaker Sniper]

70. While I am not one to be outright rude,

I do have a problem with what is considered "PC." Shaping and molding one's behavior to what other people think and only for that reason is oppressive. There are somethings that I think and somethings that I do that I know some people find offensive. That's okay. I do not do them for them. You can't please everyone and I have never tried to anyway.

[EFerrari]

71. Shaping one's behavior to get along in a group is called "socializing".

Eta: But I agree that it can't or shouldn't take the place of an individual's sense of what is appropriate. It's a negotiation.

[Super Soaker Sniper]

73. Very true.

But somethings are not negotiable in life. My guns, my dogs and motorcycles I give up for no one. I would include the wife in that list but somedays she makes me wonder. :)

I support Barack Obama because he is our nominee (not officially but that is only details), but as long as Hillary was in the race, she was my choice. Race had nothing to do with it, I just felt that she was the candidate with the best shot at winning. It was not even issues since they had pretty equal views between the two of them. No accusations of racist or anything else would make me change my mind and I would not vote for Obama even if it was the "PC" thing to do if I felt Hillary was in my mind a better choice. Sure, harmony and decorum are important but they should never trump personal principles.

[blues90]

72. what has photo's got to do with PC ?

I worked in auto shops but never had a desire to put up photo's like that and well before these were banned as a manager I had the techs remove these simply because they have no place in the work place . They are degrading .

This was something that came along well after PC. As did the practical jokes in the workplace.

I still don't think PC has had much affect , all it may do is cause someone to be fired but once out of the workplace people will act the way they choose.

It has to start with the parents and how they teach their children. Just changing a term does not change ones mental make up or upbringing.

This country has it all screwed up where the human body is a dirty thing on the TV but you can portray any sort of violent act and this passes as acceptable.

Look at how it was acceptable for Randi Rhodes to call Hillary a f-ing whore and she gets away with it because she is a female?

Why do we have to call these things anything other than a male or female or a child instead of the race terms or to describe someone as physically challenged or handi capped. Can't people see and then just keep it simple for what it really is? Does there have to be a term applied at all?

It's like surveys , what race are you , what religion , well what does it matter and why ask and why is it even an issue?

I feel it's all there just to keep us separate and it serves no other purpose.

[EFerrari]

75. Some boundaries are good. Keeping people "separate"

in the sense of recognizing lines you don't cross without being disrespectful can be useful. If people start out with the presumption of respect, getting closer and more relaxed becomes more possible, not the other way around.

And, Randi Rhodes didn't get away with that comment, she was fired.