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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 04:35 PM
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Poll question: Which right do you think bothers Republicans the most?
Below is the Bill of Rights, which of those first ten amendments to our Constitution do you think bothers Republicans the most?

Bill of Rights

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 04:38 PM
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1. Accountability.
Which means, "All the above".
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 04:42 PM
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2. I know I really hate it
When I have to house a bunch of Marines. They really should checkthe bottom of their boots before coming in.


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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 04:48 PM
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5. The GOP could easily twist the 3rd to mean...
...a member of the Air Force (or NSA) "in your house" via your computer.
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Arger68 Donating Member (562 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 04:46 PM
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3. All but the 2nd. n/t
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 04:47 PM
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4. I chose 6th, let me explain my choice...
...I believe that any situation that compels people to answer questions under oath is the idea that is the opposite of everything the GOP stands for.

If a person is accused of a crime by a republican, it damages their "law & order" image because it guarantees the accused the right to counter the charges against himself.

Also, if the person accused of a crime is actually a republican, placing him under oath guarantees that history will have proof of his complicity to the crime.

Just my reading of the amendment and why the GOP hate it more than the others.
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Super Soaker Sniper Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 04:55 PM
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6. It is only fair to ask,
do any of them bother you? If anything, it is not that Republicans are bothered by any of the rights in the Constitution, what bothers them is who they apply to. I have had discussions like this with them many a time. Living in Texas finding a Republican to debate with is not hard.

I have gone down the Bill of Rights, point by point and they are all for every right enumerated there. As long as they don't apply to illegal aliens, foreigners who are more loyal to their old country than their new one, felons.

I believe that every single right applies to every single person and all of them are equally relevent. If I believe wholeheartedly in the First then I must be equally fervent about the Second, the Fourth, the Tenth. I have every single one of these rights. One right I do not have though, and that is to pick and choose which ones apply to who.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 05:07 PM
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12. I only ask because it seems the GOP seems determined to...
...alter the Constitution as we know it.

I think the GOP will start by eroding our laws one by one and our three-branch system of government starting with our court system, which in my opinion, is the biggest obstacle to their little scheme.


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Super Soaker Sniper Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 05:27 PM
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17. The GOP has no quarrel with the Constitution
just how it is applied. This in itself is dangerous because of who gets to do the applying at any given time.

Islam is a good metaphor as it is ripe with examples of Muslims living peacefully then suffering at the hands of radicals who take upon themselves to decide who is "Muslim enough."

The GOP could decide that the Constitution applies only to "true" Americans then decide arbitrarily who is "American Enough." The worst part would be that once there is a Precedent, we would suffer abuses even under our own Democrats, because such power corrupts anybody.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 02:39 PM
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23. The difference is...
...that the Dem will be held accountable, the GOPher will weasel his way into a pardon.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 03:17 PM
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29. The Bush administration has wiped out several of these Rights.
People accused of crimes are no longer allowed a speedy trial, a defense attorney, protection from torture, etc. Until they're proven in a court of law to be "foreigners who are more loyal to their old country than their new one," they're supposed to have the rights any accused person has in this country. And they don't.

You could be arrested tomorrow on suspicion of terrorism, thrown in Gitmo, tortured, and never released until you are dead, all without ever having a trial or a defense attorney. It happens.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 04:59 PM
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7. all of them except as they apply to themselves
in other words, they don't seem to give two shits about my amendment rights, or your amendment rights, only their own.

Just like how they project every other trait onto other people, they are the ones who want Special Rights more than anyone.

I voted for the 1st, however, as freedom of expression (and all that entails) seems to scare them the most, possibly because they are so afraid to really express or understand themselves.

One could argue that they are most "bothered" by the 2nd amendment, in that it is the one they flock to.
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angrycarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 04:59 PM
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8. V - due process
How many times have you heard "they should be rounded up and shot, no trial just shoot them".

"They found him guilty, so he is guilty".

"Subpoena- you can shove your subpoena."

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 05:01 PM
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9. kick and a request. Post the same poll using "Democrats", unless you already did & I missed it.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 05:08 PM
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14. No, just the GOP...
...they're the ones shitting on the Constitution and habeas corpus, etc.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 05:02 PM
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10. I'm actually gonna go with 7th
Even though I was sorely tempted to pick the first. They would surely like to shut up all dissent.

But I decided on the 7th. Why? Because the GOP LOVES IT when the law is decided by one of their crony judges rather than by 12 random people.

Class action lawsuit- Dismissed.
GOP member boning a 9yo boy or girl? Dismissed
Person who can't afford to pay their taxes? Death by hanging
Stealing from the boss? Left hand chopped off
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 05:03 PM
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11. Depends.
It depends on the circumstances and which ones they perceive to serve or not serve their own interests at any given time.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 05:07 PM
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13. the second bothers them the most, without it they could rule forever.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 05:10 PM
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15. Their version begins and ends with Amendment II
And their Amendment I just says freedom to be Christian
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 05:20 PM
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16. it is from the First that all others follow,
gaud, I love Freedom of Speech.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 05:30 PM
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18. Has to be the First: just too many rights, and that tricky separation of church and state.
Not that they would ever admit that that's what the Establishment Clause means.
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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 06:30 PM
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19. The 10th.

This is where everything goes higgledy-piggledy since it's where people actually get freedom.

If it's not on the books, it's not a law.

They can't handle that concept. This is why they want amendments for flag burning, abortion, definition of somebody's idea of marriage, etc. If it's not in the Constitution, they have to wait for all 50 states to outlaw something that doesn't affect their daily life.
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 02:50 AM
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20. #1. Knocking their childish superstitions really pisses them off.
"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people."

In the letter, dated January 3 1954, Albert Einstein wrote: "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 06:21 AM
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21. I think ALL TEN are bothersome to them in some degree,
even the 2nd (My god, even THEY can own guns!!!)
But I think the first with its pesky free press and speech, and that free assembly shit makes them very nervous.

I think bush has done a job on all of them, and his work must be corrected.

mark
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Mr. Blonde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 07:09 AM
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22. I voted 9th
Way too ambiguous for them. Also they apparently don't understand what it means. It is where our right to privacy is, yet any time they rail against abortion they bring up "the imaginary constitutional right to privacy".

But really they hate any kind of shades of gray and can only handle clearly enumerated things. At least that way they know what to direct their efforts at chipping away.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 02:42 PM
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25. I'm glad to see someone vote for the 9th...
...there is a book that I have to get/read that covers the history: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Retained-by-the-People/Daniel-Farber/e/9780465022984/?itm=1">Retained by the People: The Case for the Ninth Amendment, by Daniel Farber.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 02:41 PM
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24. Freedom of Speech


:D


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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 02:44 PM
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26. Four



They like to say'what have you got to hide?' right up until the heat is turned on THEM.




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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 03:07 PM
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27. Good point. n/t
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 03:13 PM
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28. They appear to hate all but the Second Amedment, but I had to go with VI
as the one they most consistently deplore. I've never met a Republican who didn't think that somebody accused of a crime shouldn't be strung up immediately by a vigilante mob. Republicans hate defense attorneys except when they're working for them.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 03:20 PM
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30. gotta say IV
really they hate them all, even II. they use religion as a wedge issue (or did until even the gullible gawd-fearing bible thumpers figured out that it was a con), but what they really want is our property. They want to own everything. eliminating IV is the fast track to taking everything.
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