Black site? Secret detention facility in D.C. metro area

[arcadian]

In Alexandria, Va. outside of D.C. Department of Homeland Security. On the gounds of the Coast Guards Telecommunications Command on Telegraph Rd. The sat photo shows it as a building surrounded by an octagonal shaped double razor wire fence. There are camera posts at every angle of the octagonal fencing. There are also cameras on every corner of the building. There are three separate open air areas within the building, one has tables and chairs and is probably for taking meals. The other two are partitioned off into three chambers and four chambers, look closely and you can see cameras in the center corners to monitor these open air partitions, one for each chamber. These, I believe are for prisoners to get some "outdoor time". The rectangular part of the building to the upper left has ventilitaion ducts which would suggest it is used for food service or similar. I have searched and searched to find some reference to this facility somewhere on the internet, there is none. It was also recently built. Any input is greatly appreciated.

sat photos here: you can get a north, south, east, west view. Look around at it tell me what you think.

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=qfrswb8k5mwp&style=b&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=22932432&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=38.751973~-77.124938&style=h&lvl=18&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=22932601&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1

[NightWatcher]

1. most "black sites" are invisible...and dont have basketball hoops in the parking lot

fwiw, truly super-secretive sites dont allow parking next to said buildings. Something there is going on (probably even high security) but nothing too terrible.

[Deja Q]

3. And I thought some punk got some spray paint and drew out a badly shaped penis.

:shrug:

[gateley]

5. You make a good point about black sites being invisible --

and could they prohibit satellite flyovers? (Ours, anyway -- I remember the first pics Americans saw of Area 51 were from Russian satellites.)

[NightWatcher]

7. nah they just "fuzz them out" or put them in areas where air space is controlled

kinda like the Stennis Space Center near the Mississippi Coast. Some real secretive non-Nasa shit goes down. I bet you cant find any pics of those.

[arcadian]

10. Yeah... real hard finding sat photos of Stennis

Real hard... :eyes:

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=30.3707~-89.615704&style=h&lvl=16&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=17271787&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=30.371655~-89.613085&style=h&lvl=19&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=17271787&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1


Google Maps are even crisper and cleaner:
Ooooooooooooh, what's this at Stennis?:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=stennis+space+center&ie=UTF8&ll=30.385306,-89.628396&spn=0.002226,0.003127&t=h&z=18

[lonestarnot]

17. I don't know. What is dat?

:wow: Tell me!

[arcadian]

20. Fan array

calibration range

http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/RESEARCH/RSD/main/hyper/hyper.shtml

[lonestarnot]

21. Damn.

I learn something new here every day. Thanks.

[arcadian]

8. What is your basis for saying this?

Shootin' hoops is a time killer, if that is what that is, which it probably is. How does one make something on the surface of the Earth invisible? Who do you call for that? David fuckin' Copperfield?

[NightWatcher]

9. you dont "hide" it on a DC military base

like I said, you can "hide" it on an area with protected airspace like oh say NASA'a John C Stennis facility on Mississippi's coast. It is a huge facility covered by a protected zone. It is also covered by trees. Or you "hide" buildings underground in huge caves near Boyers, Pennsylvania. The government works hard to keep secrets, so I doubt that you just happened to "find" a top secret black ops site.....with a parking lot and basketball hoop

[arcadian]

11. How do you think people found the CIA rendition flights?

Planespotters and flightaware. Blew that one right open. Oh! But wait! The CIA was probably using some Romulan cloaking device so how could they have found out about the planes as per your way of thinking... :rofl:

[Igel]

13. The rendition flight business has the same problem.

They identified thousands, wasn't it, of flights that could have been used for rendition.

"Could have". Some groups promptly said they were used for rendition.

Now, IIRC, at precisely the same time, it was later put in a book, Plame had her staff flying around like crazy checking out leads in the Middle East, probably S. Asia, and in Europe.

Did they all fly coach class on commercial airlines? They, and all other CIA flights with personnel and materiel, must have gone common carrier. All the CIA flights in Europe and Central Asia are already claimed for rendition.

But, no. People identified a necessary condition for claiming rendition: Planes with no clear cargo or passenger list who went at strange times to out of the way places, and might plausibly have been used for rendition. They did not provide a sufficient condition: Did they provide positive evidence that so much as 10% of the "rendition flights" actually were used for rendition? Or, conversely, negative evidence, that those flights could have had no other reasonable use?

No. The argument was that we believe there were many rendition flights, and know there were at least a few. We don't know what the many hundreds of other flights were for, or the closed airfields they went to. Since we don't know of any other reasons, and don't want to be bothered coming up with possible reasons (i.e., for hypotheses that might falsify our superior reasoning), we rest content in asserting that there can be no other reasons. Or, at least, we rest. Barely stirring an neuron as we play "gotcha". In fact, those we know for sure, because of their timing and destination being so closely allied with cases of rendition, might be the only ones. It strikes me as unlikely, but still I'm not going to prevent my neurons from twitching and acknowledging that it's merely "unlikely"; else I'd claim that the ones we know must be the only ones.

[arcadian]

23. All of the flights were done by CIA proprietary companies.

Front companies owned by non-existent people.

[arcadian]

12. Oh shit! You better call FEMA. They are parking cars next to their black site.

:rofl:

West portal(tunnel)Mount Weather:

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=39.062605~-77.898128&style=h&lvl=18&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=22932605&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1

[Deja Q]

2. They're going to put Blacks in it?

:sarcasm:

If something like that was actually going on, such pictures wouldn't be available at all for people to conjecture about.

Please take off the tinfoil hat. It's not very fetching on you.

Besides, why make conspiracies when makin' whoopie is better? (Apparently, Tony Sinatra had...)

[gateley]

4. I can't see the details you mention, but I take your word for it.

What makes you think it's for prisoners as opposed to being just another part of the base? are there cameras and barbed wire on the other buildings in the complex?

That being said, I read a novel about a base very much like this, although it was locate on the water. Planes could fly directly into its airstrip without going through customs or having any record of their arrival. The facility was for high risk terrorists. I didn't find the premise to be far fetched at all?

And, do you think it's for those kind of prisoners -- terrorists -- or getting ready for us when martial law is enacted?

[Stinky The Clown]

6. Oooga booga booga

[Arctic Dave]

14. Interesting building. I am suprised with the level of

security around the perimeter, cameras, double fence w/ gravel buffering between (well maintained gravel at that, might be motion sensors in this area since there is no grass), it is also set away from the rest of the buildings. What is most interesting is, with all this external security, why don't they have a check point?
At least 35 people work there if you count the cars, which looks about right for the size of the building.
Whatever it is, I'm sure they don't want unauthorized visitors.

[arcadian]

15. There is a checkpoint to access Coast Guards Telecommunications facility.

n't

[Ioo]

16. It is not a black site, it is a secure place on Ft Belvoir.

What is all I am going to say about this place...

That said, everything about this tells you it is not a prison. The cars next to the building are a dead give-a-way. I "suspect" that is a SCIF or something to do with Defense Logistics Agency (maybe records keeping / data center) that is based there...

Needless to say, I can tell you FOR SURE that that is not a black site.

[arcadian]

18. Well, that is certainly provacative.

How do you explain the 'open air' squares with cameras looking down into each them? What exactly would be the purpose of that? If you know what it is, spill the beans, come on.

[Ioo]

19. I am just telling you that is not a black site...

I am not going to spill anything. It is not a blacksite...

Take me out of it, and look at the cars... why would you have "criminals" playing b-ball in the parking lot with cars. I mean come on, what part of that have you seen before where cars and crooks could mix.

I "think" it is a SCIF or a datacenter. That would be exactly what I would suspect to see in a secure facility. If you do not know what a SCIF is...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitive_Compartmented_Information_Facility

[arcadian]

22. I know what SCIF means

Your argument is fragmented and does not hold, how do you expect people to get around these days? Via gyrocopter?

I use the term "black site" loosely. In this instance, a facility that has no mention whatsoever anywhere and that is secretive. That is most definitely a holding facility of some sort. The "basket ball key" if that is what it is, makes no difference. You need to brush up on your imagery analysis. By the way, I saw a basket ball backboard at another "secret" site, this site in the Maryland mountains, it's part of COG:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=alexandria+virginia&ie=UTF8&ll=39.448977,-77.626036&spn=0.003985,0.006255&t=h&z=17

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/facility/boonsboro.htm






You pretending to know what this site is, all the while speculating on what it could be lends yourself to little credibility. I know Fort Belvoir, this site is on the periphery of the fort and access is gained via a U.S. Department of Homeland Security facility. Fort Belvoir Defense Logistics Agency is on another part of the base.