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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 06:55 PM
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Who is Randy Forbes and why is he being ignored?
Edited on Tue Jun-24-08 07:01 PM by Gabi Hayes
http://forbes.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=95102

did anybody have a thread on his appearance today @ Washington Journal?

he actually quoted Jimmy Carter's Energy Speech of 1977 while touting his new "Manhattan Project for Energy Independence" which ''calls for the United States to achieve 50% energy independence in ten years and 100% energy independence in 20 years and will award competitive prizes to the first individual or group who can reach any of seven established energy goals.''


http://forbes.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=94607

the major goals, which will be the subject of prizes:

- Double CAFE standards to 70 MPG while keeping vehicles affordable
- Cut home and business energy usage in half
- Make solar power work at the same cost as coal
- Make the production of biofuels cost-competitive with gasoline
- Safely and cheaply store carbon emissions from coal-powered plants
- Safely store or neutralize nuclear waste
- Produce usable electricity from a nuclear fusion reaction

now, compare them to the goals from Carter's forward-looking (some might say extrasensorily perceptive) energy speech, which was gutted, of course, by republicans, and especially the Reaganites as soon as he took office:

The first principle is that we can have an effective and comprehensive energy policy only if the government takes responsibility for it and if the people understand the seriousness of the challenge and are willing to make sacrifices.

The second principle is that healthy economic growth must continue. Only by saving energy can we maintain our standard of living and keep our people at work. An effective conservation program will create hundreds of thousands of new jobs.

The third principle is that we must protect the environment. Our energy problems have the same cause as our environmental problems -- wasteful use of resources. Conservation helps us solve both at once.

The fourth principle is that we must reduce our vulnerability to potentially devastating embargoes. We can protect ourselves from uncertain supplies by reducing our demand for oil, making the most of our abundant resources such as coal, and developing a strategic petroleum reserve.

The fifth principle is that we must be fair. Our solutions must ask equal sacrifices from every region, every class of people, every interest group. Industry will have to do its part to conserve, just as the consumers will. The energy producers deserve fair treatment, but we will not let the oil companies profiteer.

The sixth principle, and the cornerstone of our policy, is to reduce the demand through conservation. Our emphasis on conservation is a clear difference between this plan and others which merely encouraged crash production efforts. Conservation is the quickest, cheapest, most practical source of energy. Conservation is the only way we can buy a barrel of oil for a few dollars. It costs about $13 to waste it.

The seventh principle is that prices should generally reflect the true replacement costs of energy. We are only cheating ourselves if we make energy artificially cheap and use more than we can really afford.

The eighth principle is that government policies must be predictable and certain. Both consumers and producers need policies they can count on so they can plan ahead. This is one reason I am working with the Congress to create a new Department of Energy, to replace more than 50 different agencies that now have some control over energy.

The ninth principle is that we must conserve the fuels that are scarcest and make the most of those that are more plentiful. We can't continue to use oil and gas for 75 percent of our consumption when they make up seven percent of our domestic reserves. We need to shift to plentiful coal while taking care to protect the environment, and to apply stricter safety standards to nuclear energy.


so Forbes' ideas are a sort of half-baked, incomplete, sometimes unrealistic (nuclear waste?) version of that terrible president, Carter, whose Energy Policy, if enacted, and acted upon for the last 30 years, would have, I daresay, changed the energy, political, and environmental landscape, at the very least

Point is, why is this sort of approach getting no play, and WHY doesn't Obama use Carter's prescient policy statement as a basis for his own energy plank?
It's certainly not as comprehensive/far reaching as Carter's. Is it because he's afraid of the pugs' attack on him as being the second coming of the man from Plains?





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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 07:02 PM
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1. just as I figured......not much interest in getting together to solve our
most pressing problem (short term, anyway)

give the guy credit

republican, and I never heard of him before, but he sounded very reasoned/pragmatic/non-ideological this morning
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 07:08 PM
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2. He was on CSpan's WJ this morning
Edited on Tue Jun-24-08 07:09 PM by malaise
and the callers let him have it. He's a pro-drilling Rethug who isn't fooling anyone. As one caller said, if a Republican Rep told him it was raining outside he's go out without an umbrella and in a Tee shirt. Where was he when Cheney was coming up with an energy plan in secret? He wouldn't even discuss the speculators' role in gas price increases.

I don't think Dems would come together with any of them at this time.

add
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 07:29 PM
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4. well, I missed that part, and he doesn't mention it anywhere I could find
Edited on Tue Jun-24-08 07:29 PM by Gabi Hayes
you're probably right, but, AFA as his stated goals, don't you think there's some sort of way to get behind something similar?

don't you think both sides HAVE to find a way to work together?

if they can't/won't, it just reinforces my general hypotheses that the dems are only slightly less awful on the protofascist continuum, as we know that both parties' bread comes from the same butter supply....only difference is that the pugs' trough is wider and deeper
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 07:33 PM
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5. yeah....pretty 'mixed' record on energy, as his voting record shows
http://forbes.house.gov/issues/energy.htm

that said, I'd like to see what happens with the bill he introduced. will be curious to see what sort of discussion develops

we have to do something
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 07:11 PM
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3. I'm all for getting together with progressive Republicans after Obama is elected.
In fact, I hope Obama works hard to give that fringe of the Republican Party some hi-profile oxygen. Of course, they'll be accused of treason by the base who'll want nothing to do with the Democrats. Nice to see a Republican acknowledge that Carter was right about energy policy...unfortunately for us, Big Oil Republicans had other ideas.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:22 PM
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6. Forbes is not progressive
He's a run of the mill rubber stamp Republican. Here is his opponent's website.

www.andreamiller.us
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:39 PM
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7. what do you think about his 'project?'
just meaningless, cynical exploitation of poor sops who don't know any better, hiding behind a big energy facade, or the actual beginnings of something most people can get behind, because the change has to come with consumers, with some sort of government assistance, as they're doing in lots of places, Germany being the best example:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/solar/

get on the grid!
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:41 PM
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8. I live in a condo, and I'm trying to get the board to see if there's any practical way
to put solar panels on our large, westerly-oriented roof.

we have baseboard water heat, which would save us a TON of money. dunno what the payback period would be, but the heating season looks to be obscene this winter
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 08:53 PM
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9. I think its an election year gimmick
he voted for everything big oil wants his entire career.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 09:03 PM
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11. could be....I don't know anything about him, but that's the way most
repugs are.

still, I'd like to see this as a first step in bridging the gap between parties, because, without it, there won't be anything happening in the foreseeable future regarding the staggering changes that are going to be necessary to avoid a total societal collapse, which is what's going to happen if we don't start biting the energy bullet immediately

it might have already been too late when Carter gave his seminal address

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 09:37 PM
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12. Thanks, I really didn't know this guy's MO.
As other posters note, this is probably a lot or character reinvention to reflect the new political reality.
Gordon Smith is doing this, too. Hopefully, the voters in his district know his real record.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 09:53 PM
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14. his district is the entire state of Oregon
and who knows, perhaps, like Pres.Clinton, they'll be forced to vote the way they run, and become the character they play
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 09:53 PM
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15. see? there's hope. Fusion in college!
Edited on Tue Jun-24-08 09:54 PM by Gabi Hayes
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 09:02 PM
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10. Progressive Republicans don't exist anymore
Most of us were shown the door ten or twenty years ago. I know, I used to be one.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 09:44 PM
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13. Sad, isn't it?
The ideological litmus test for wearing the Republican brand will only get worse over time. The cause for Republican losses will be deemed that the Party isn't conservative and narrow enough. The answer will be to purify the Party further, booting more moderates out (yeah, I think Pete McClosky was the last liberal Republican...a long time ago). Of course, the result will be even further marginalization and irrelevance for the Oily Jeebus Pachyderm Party.
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