The right wingers steal the honor of General Patton to support their sick positions

[NJmaverick]

This is a new sick email/posting making the rounds. They use the legendary General Patton to support their evil positions on torture and the like. What makes this a truly depraved action is this is against everything the REAL Patton believed in. I post what he wrote on the treatment of prisoners after the sicko repuke post

Here is the post:

Ghost of Patton!


I think this is how General George S. Patton would sum things up.... and then catch holy hell from Ike. He sure had a unique way of expressing his thoughts.

Ghost of General Patton

A Message from the Ghost of General Patton....


ATTENTION!

To ALL those whining, panty-waisted, pathetic Maggots, it's time for a little refresher course on exactly why we Americans occasionally have to fight wars.




See if you can tear yourself away from your 'reality' TV and Starbucks for a minute, pull your head out of your flabby ass -- and LISTEN UP!!



Abu Ghraib is not 'torture' or an 'atrocity'. This is the kind of thing frat boys, sorority girls, and academy cadets do to newcomers


A little fun at someone else's expense.

Certainly no reason to wring your hands or get your panties in a wad.

Got that?



THIS IS an atrocity!


(Beheading of innocent American Berg)



So Was This!!!

(9/11 attacks on the American way of life)

WHICH PART DON'T YOU GET?


Islam a peaceful religion???
My Ass!

Millions of these sons-of-bitches are plotting, as we speak, to destroy our country and our way of life any way they can.
Some of them are here among us now.

They don't want to convert you and don't want to rule you. You are a vile infestation of Allah's paradise . They don't give a shit how 'progressive' you are, how peace-loving you are, or how much you sympathize with their cause.

They want your ass dead , and they think it is God's will for them to do it.


Some think if we give them a hug or listen to them, then they'll like us. and if you agree? Then you are a pathetic dumb ass!

If they manage to get their hands on a nuke, chemical agents, or even some anthrax -- you will wish to God we had hunted them down and killed THEM while we had the chance.



How many more Americans must be beheaded ??
You've fallen asleep AGAIN, maggots!
And you may not get another chance!


NOW GET OFF YOUR SORRY ASS -

and do something about it.

NOW THE REAL PATTON

“Kill all the Germans you can,” urged the general during the Third Army’s unprecedented drive across Europe, “but do not put them up against a wall and kill them. Do your killing while they are still fighting. After a man has surrendered, he should be treated exactly in accordance with the Rules of Land Warfare, and just as you would hope to be treated if you were foolish enough to surrender. Americans do not kick people in the teeth after they are down.”

http://www.thenewamerican.com/node/1018

[Xipe Totec]

1. Psalm 63 - Patton's quote

O God, Thou art my God, early will I seek Thee.
My soul thirsteth for Thee.
My flesh longeth for Thee in a dry and thirsty land.
So as I have seen Thee in the sanctuary.
My soul followeth hard after Thee.
But those that seek my soul, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth.
They shall fall by the sword, they shall be apportion for foxes.
But the king shall rejoice in God.
Everyone that sweareth by Him shall glory.
But the mouth of them that speak lies shall be stopped.

[Jim Sagle]

2. The "New American" is even more right wing than the regular right wing.

It's John Birch Society rubbish. Why post it here?

[NJmaverick]

3. Because I want to makes sure WE (DUers) know how to counter this crap

by being able to point out Patton's firm and public statements against torture. I am at a loss as to how you failed to see or understand that.

[Jim Sagle]

6. All well and good - except that a quote from New American doesn't prove a damn thing.

[NJmaverick]

8. You are way to hung up on the New American

this is a direct quote from Patton and it makes an important point.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. "Americans do not kick people in the teeth after they are down."

Pff. Says the guy who hit a soldier when he was down.

[AmyCamus]

5. Patton was a racist.

Patton expressed his doubts about using black men in combat. On returning to headquarters afterwards, he remarked, "They gave a good first impression, but I have no faith in the inherent fighting ability of the race."<23> He only accepted the 761st because he desperately needed all the ground power he could get. Even after the war, Patton was not inclined to reform his perception of black soldiers. In War As I Knew It, he relates the interaction described above, and comments, "Individually they were good soldiers, but I expressed my belief at the time, and have never found the necessity of changing it, that a colored soldier cannot think fast enough to fight in armor."<24>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton#Attitude_on_race

[NJmaverick]

7. That part of wiki comes with a warning and it appears that this issue

is mixed and not as clear as your segment would suggest

Men, you're the first Negro tankers to ever fight in the American Army. I would never have asked for you if you weren't good. I have nothing but the best in my Army. I don't care what color you are as long as you go up there and kill those Kraut sons of bitches. Everyone has their eyes on you and is expecting great things from you. Most of all your race is looking forward to you. Don't let them down and damn you, don't let me down!<23>

– George S. Patton, The 761st "Black Panther" Tank Battalion in World War II"

[AmyCamus]

10. Patton on the 'lower than animals' Jews:

Patton's views on blacks seem mild and even generous compared to remarks he made about Jews and other ethnic groups he encountered throughout his military career (much less his legendary hatred of the Russians). He generally considered those who were not of Northern European ancestry to be dirty and uncivilized. However, his statements regarding history show this did not amount to lack of respect for the military accomplishments of other races. He expressed his manifestly antisemitic feelings about Jews with his writings:

This happened to be the feast of Yom Kippur, so they were all collected in a large, wooden building, which they called a synagogue. It behooved General Eisenhower to make a speech to them. We entered the synagogue, which was packed with the greatest stinking bunch of humanity I have ever seen. When we got about halfway up, the head rabbi, who was dressed in a fur hat similar to that worn by Henry VIII of England and in a surplice heavily embroidered and very filthy, came down and met the General . . . The smell was so terrible that I almost fainted and actually about three hours later lost my lunch as the result of remembering it<25>

– George S. Patton, "After the Holocaust: Rebuilding Jewish Lives in Post War Germany"

... that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews, who are lower than animals.<26>

From the same wiki link

[provis99]

12. Patton wasn't happy with "mongoloid" Russians either

Well, he never claimed to be a moral guidepost. He only claimed to be a (much reincarnated) soldier.

[NJmaverick]

13. You know he was a like all of us flawed, in his case he had horrible views

of other races. Still he had a keen sense of honor, when it came to his profession. So it's obscene for the sleezy right winger to steal his name to support causes he would have been solidly against.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

17. I don't know about Patton's sense of honor but my stepfather

served under Patton in World War II. We could never get him to talk about his war experiences but I know his mother said he came back changed (no surprise, who wouldn't?).

When the movie "Patton" came out he finally talked a little about his experiences under Patton. He hated his guts. Period. Said he was a vain, little man who thrived on belittling others. Didn't mind sacrificing a few of his men either if it could bring him more fame and glory. I never knew or even suspected my stepfather hated anyone in his life but he certainly had no respect for Patton.

[tabasco]

9. General Patton would have been pissed that we invaded the wrong country.

General Patton would have supported going into Afghanistan, kicking ass, killing Bin Laden, and coming home.

Patton would not have kind words for Bush failing to accomplish the mission in Afghanistan. Bush allowed Bin Laden to escape when he allowed Pakistan to "guard the border" at Tora Bora. No US forces could be spared because they were on alert for Iraq. The idiot chickenhawks are too stupid to understand military strategy and tactics and listen to cowards like Limbaugh, who pissed his pants at the prospect of military service.

Bush and the criminal corporate cabal have put our military in an endless, unwinnable quagmire. Patton would have never supported these traitorous corporate criminals. In fact, Eisenhower warned us about people like Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. But we did not heed his warning.

[Faygo Kid]

11. Patton had MANY faults. But he would have held the cowardly Bush-Cheney regime in utter contempt.

He was many things, but he was no physical coward. He respected Ike, and for good reason. He would have held this criminal regime in utter contempt.

[LanternWaste]

14. A military genius? Well... that's simply debatable.

His ill-fated raid to rescue his son-in-law from a POW camp (all POW's are equally important-- regardless of blood or lineage). His bull-headed insistence that fort Driant could be taken (after too many casualties and too much time, he simply bypassed it) during the fighting in and around Metz. His self-declared role as a martinet-- he once sent a runner back to his original base simply to put on an ascot, wasting 18 hours of precious time during the Metz campaign. These are only a few examples...

My opinion is that Patton simply wasn't the military genius so many people give him credit for.

A dramatic personality with a flair for the flamboyant? Absolutely. A military genius? Well... that's simply debatable.

[NJmaverick]

16. Have you studied military history? There are few if any generals

that didn't make mistakes. The mistakes must be balanced with the successes or you are not getting the proper picture.

[LanternWaste]

20. Yes, I have.

"Have you studied military history?"

Yes, I have. That irrelevancy aside...


He made some dramatic mistakes based on personal feelings (the ill-fated raid on his son-in-law's pow camp for one example).

I'm not saying he was incompetent-- merely that I don not happen to think he was the military genius some credit him with...

I certainly don't think I implied that there are any generals who were mistake-free. As a matter of fact, I don't think any exist.

For my money, I'd rather Bradley or Hodges (or even Clark) had his command.

[DailyGrind51]

15. Patton opposed "individuality".

A concept considered sacred by present day neo-cons, libertarians, and objectivists.

"Now, an army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of crap. The bilious bastards who wrote that stuff about individuality for the Saturday Evening Post don't know anything more about real battle than they do about fornicating."

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechpatton3rdarmyaddress.html

[Dogtown]

21. Appropriate, in that context.

Individuality is rarely a welcome trait in the military. It runs counter to discipline, and sending folks into really deadly situations requires they be a disciplined unit.

I didn't like the army, at all, but that quote makes perfect sense.

HOWEVER, that is a quote from an actor performing a role. Your citation does not qualify whether the quote is attributable to an actual source, is intended to advance the plot or is merely padding to flesh out the character.

Sloppy to quantify Patton's philosophy on a movie-source without further citation justifying the judgment, could be seen as an intentional misrepresentation.

[Froward69]

18. Patton was a registered Democrat

[gatorboy]

19. Maybe if conservatives were as busy joining the military as they are creating spam emails,

We'd be out by now...