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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 10:24 PM
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DC handgun ban case could be more far reaching than expected.
(one can only hope).

Opinion is expected to be released tomorrow.



Tomorrow may be the big day. (Or we might have to wait again. At least I'm improving my calcium intake.) Court-watchers have noticed that, with the issuance of yesterday's opinion by Justice Souter in the right-to-counsel case of Rothgery v. Gillespie County, the only case left from the Supreme Court's March sitting is D.C. v. Heller, and the only Justice who hasn't written any majority opinions from that sitting is ... Justice Antonin Scalia. Tom Goldstein thinks it's "exceptionally likely" that Scalia was assigned to write the Court's lead opinion in the most important Second Amendment case in American history.

What could that mean for the decision in Heller? As I'll explain, I think a Scalia-authored opinion would be great news for those who are mainly concerned with the Second Amendment as a limit on federal gun control, but somewhat ambiguous news -- at least in the short term -- for those who hope for the incorporation of the Second Amendment as a check on state and municipal governments.

In the Heller oral argument, Justice Scalia was the clearest voice in favor of the broad individual rights view of the Second Amendment -- what pro-rights scholars often call the "Standard Model." He emphatically rejected the various "collective rights" theories of the Second Amendment, under which it protects only a prerogative of state governments rather than a right of individuals. Justice Scalia also brought up Blackstone's emphasis on the right to arms as a necessary adjunct of the right of self-defense, and suggested that D.C.'s high crime rates, far from supporting gun prohibition, were instead "ll the more reason to allow a homeowner to have a handgun." Scalia suggested that under U.S. v. Miller, individuals have a Second Amendment right to keep and use a broad class of firearms in "common use" at this time -- though not arms that are "uncommon" for private citizens, such as machine guns.


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If an individual right prevails in Heller, it's not going to be easy to avoid the incorporation of the right to arms, no matter how the Court chooses to approach it. We already have about a century's worth of precedents that gradually incorporated most of the individual amendments in the Bill of Rights against the states via the Fourteenth Amendment's Due Process Clause. The test for whether an amendment qualifies for "selective incorporation" under this approach stresses several factors, such as whether the right has an English antecedent; is widely protected in state constitutions; and continues to enjoy strong support today. Suffice to say that the right to arms satisfies these factors -- more so than many of the rights the Court has already incorporated.


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In the long term, some form of Second Amendment incorporation is probably inevitable. That issue is not on the table in Heller, which deals with the District of Columbia rather than a state, but as I've suggested before, the Court can choose to drop hints about the incorporation question in its opinion. The opinion may be circumspect about this if Justice Scalia writes it. We'll see.


http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2008/06/so_lets_say_jus.html




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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 11:04 PM
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1. They are supposed to issue decisions on THREE cases tomorrow.
http://www.law.com/jsp/scm/PubArticleSCM.jsp?id=1202422488461

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The other lesser-known but important case Dellinger is waiting for is Morgan Stanley Capital Group v. Public Utility Group District 1, now the oldest undecided case on the Court's docket. Dellinger argued Feb. 19 for the appellants in the energy regulation dispute. Then came the Exxon case in which Dellinger argued on Feb. 27 for the oil company against the high punitive damages awarded to Alaska fishermen and others in the wake of the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill.

But the most-awaited case is the Second Amendment case that Dellinger argued on March 18 in defense of Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban. Justice Antonin Scalia is the only justice who has not written an opinion from the March sitting -- which points toward a Scalia majority in favor of the individual right to bear arms. But at this time of year, one never knows
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 12:25 AM
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8. Exxon has still not paid the fine and they didn't pay for the cleanup either
I haven't bought gas from them in 20 years.

This is just despicable. I hope they lose this case.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 11:11 PM
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2. Anybody applauding a Scalia opinion is on the wrong fucking side. nt!
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 11:46 PM
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3. Choose to be narrow minded and blinded by ignorance if you must...
but if a wrong has been righted, I don't care who or where it comes from.

The proper decision is what counts.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 12:08 AM
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5. I'm neither. And I'm not the one cheering rightwing fucknuts.
Fat Tony wouldn't know a proper decision if it slapped him upside the head. But all the sudden because his partisan douchebaggery happens to overlap with your creepy obsession, you have good shit to say about the misogynist, homophobic and generally regressive jackass.
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 12:07 AM
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4. I'm not a fan of Scalia's other opinions...
Such as in the Raich case which really fucked up the concept of states rights and gives the federal government the power to control anything, but that being said I'm hoping for a good opinion on this one to protect the right to keep and bear arms.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 12:10 AM
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6. Then I'm on the wrong fucking side.
Love,

An armed liberal
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 12:16 AM
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7. Agreed. nt
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 02:16 AM
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14. Pick and choose yer Amendments!
À la carte!

:crazy:

Enjoy oblivion!
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Super Soaker Sniper Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 12:44 AM
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9. I also agree.
You either give all first 10 Ammendments equal reverence or you do not respect any of them. A very well armed progressive.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 02:21 AM
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15. C'mon, what did the Founding Fathers know?
We have the intardtubes to guide us!

:P
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 01:10 AM
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12. Exactly so. But when you fetishize a killing machine, you tend to have blind spots.
n/t
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 12:59 AM
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10. Probably Chicago would be next
There prohibition of handguns in similar to DC's, I believe.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 12:59 AM
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11. I'd support an individual's right to own a firearm provided he's adequately trained about gun safety
If you can't properly store or handle a firearm, you don't need to be near a gun for everybody else who is within range of your incompetence, including your own family and especially kids. Also, if you have a history of mental illness or are a convicted felon, you also don't need to be near a firearm.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 01:40 AM
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13. Fat Tony Sucks! But even a broken clock is right twice a day
and if our government gets any more oppressive

we're gonna need the right to carry firearms in DC

I'd hate to have to do the job with only torches and pitchforks
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 04:58 AM
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16. And that's the key. LeftyMom is right - anyone celebrating Scalia's opinions is nuts
But we can celebrate a good opinion IN SPITE OF the fact that it was Scalia who wrote it.


(Talk about a guy who shouldn't even be running around loose, ye gods)
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 06:23 AM
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17. 5 dead in plastics factory shooting rampage
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boomerbust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 06:45 AM
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18. I get the feeling
that the right wingers want the ban to stay in place. After all it is where they "work" and I think a lot of people really dont appreciate some of the "work" the Republican Party has done the last seven years.
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