Senate debating FISA now - CSPAN2

[wtmusic]

Leahy up

http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

[spanone]

1. k&r

i thought this had been delayed...thanks

[AndyA]

2. K&R - Thanks for the heads up! n/m

[pberq]

3. Leahy is telling it like it is

"i'm not out to get the telecom companies"

"i just want accountability"

[maddezmom]

4. thanks for the heads up

:hi:

[EFerrari]

5. Kick

[spanone]

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[AndyA]

7. Kit Bond (R-Missouri) up now. This should be good. n/m

[wtmusic]

8. Almost one full minute before we heard the word "terrorist". nt

[spanone]

9. kit bond r-asshole

[Junkdrawer]

10. Looks like DiFi will argue under Kit Bond's time....

:mad:

[spanone]

11. i suspect she will vote for it

[wtmusic]

14. Her office says she "has not issued a statement" as to whether she

will vote for cloture (we know what that means).

[spanone]

18. that means she hasn't read the constitution lately

[bdamomma]

32. or hasn't read the Bill.

[robinlynne]

21. I spoke with ehr chief of staff, Los Angeles monday and tuesday. he said letters and calls are pouri

pouring in from constituents, and becuase of that she is "undecided"

[spanone]

24. and her constituents are for the fisa bill???? i wouldn't think so...

[gateley]

I interpreted that to mean that she's for it, but since she's getting

so many calls against it, she's claiming to be undecided.

She'll support it, regardless of what her constituents want. Bitch.

[robinlynne]

63. for the filibuster of the fisa bill.

[Kaleko]

82. DiFi's phone lines have been jammed with calls

from irate constituents like me }( for days!

[robinlynne]

13. what did you mean Junk? I just tuned in.

[Junkdrawer]

19. Before he spoke, Kit Bond reserved time for Feinstein....n/t

[robinlynne]

59. Jesus! She is so very Lieberman republican.

[robinlynne]

12. Why does anyone let them get away with post 9-11 when the spying started 7 months before 9-11?

The 9-11 shit should simply be nipped in the bud and shut up.

[wtmusic]

16. Telecoms may still be on the hook for pre-9/11 spying

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3517521&mesg_id=3517777

[bdamomma]

17. did anyone of those Senators mention that yet

they were doing this wiretapping before 9/11. I wish one senator would get up and have the balls to say is this administration wiretapping us democratic senators too, cause we are not immuned either. I would love to hear something like that.

[Junkdrawer]

22. Dodd said it in February...AFAIK he's not said it this time.

Betcha he caught hell for saying it in February.

[wtmusic]

124. The interesting quandary that the GOP finds itself in

is that their whole pitch was the spying was in response to 9/11. So they can't really bring it up.

Which exposes the telecoms to liability, even if this bill passes.

[bdamomma]

15. thanks

blah Kit Bond is up

http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

[jtrockville]

20. Kit called for cloture......... now what??

[jtrockville]

23. Ah, I guess there's still more folks like up to speak.

[wtmusic]

25. DiFi - WTF? Total sellout.

[gateley]

26. Feinstein -- I know she's gonna knuckle under. Yep. She just did.

:grr:

[spanone]

27. dianne, take out the fucking telecom immunity

she buys the bu$hco line

[JerseygirlCT]

28. She's so disappointing. nt

[spanone]

31. doesn't she know she can AMEND THE BILL????

[JerseygirlCT]

34. I hate to say it

But I don't ignorance is the problem here... That would be easier to fix.

[EFerrari]

38. It's not. She is a predator. She's been that way since Harvey Milk

and Mayor Moscone were killed here.

[dixiegrrrrl]

119. You are totally correct..I remember it well.

[jtrockville]

29. but but but, she said we'd be laid BARE

WTF is wrong with FISA in it's original form?

[bdamomma]

35. oh she's must be benefiting from it. maybe she has interests

in the telecom companies too.

[AndyA]

30. DiFi = DINO.

She's for it. We're gonna be open to major attack without it.

BULLSHIT.

[Subdivisions]

48. Di-Fi spewing Doo-Doo. n/t

[spanone]

33. she didn't like the protect america act??? then why did she vote for it?

[jtrockville]

36. She keeps refering to protections in FISA, as if FISA is expiring.

Is she really that uninformed?

[EFerrari]

37. Dianne Feinstein lyiing her profiteering @$$ off.

I apologize that California hasn't done better, guys.

:puke:

[spanone]

41. not your fault

difi drinks the kool aid at her own risk

[EFerrari]

81. She's enriched herself at the expense of lives and civil rights.

She's a disgrace to this nation.

[mod mom]

49. No apologies needed from me. My fricking state put chimpy back into the WH.

:mad:

Fraudulent elections have serious consequences!

[EFerrari]

80. Yes, they do. Unfortunately, I think Feinstein has gone right under the radar

and really been elected every time. :grr:

[gateley]

50. Do you guys have anybody in the wings who could take her seat --

or is she pretty firmly entrenched?

[EFerrari]

79. She's very powerful. As is Nancy. We're going to have to do

A LOT of work before we can influence either situation.

[bdamomma]

39. one thing I would like to bring up I think it was Randi's show

from yesterday, I think she was talking to John Dean about it, how bush could just pardon these telecom companies like throw this in his lap or something like that, and just leave FISA alone.

[bdamomma]

40. remember she is the same person who was for Mukasey

she does not give a crap either about the Constitution.

[wtmusic]

42. "Never again!" What a crock of shit.

What prevents it from happening "never again", Dianne, is prosecuting violations of the law of the land.

[spanone]

43. did she just admit that bu$h* & telecoms broke the law?

[pleah]

44. Now she is quoting Yoo.

[spanone]

45. what about immunity, maam? fuck john yoo

[bdamomma]

46. oh well have to step out now, I will check back in later.

[gateley]

47. I just called Feinstein's office in DC to tell her she's lost my vote

(not that I live in CA), but the line is BIZZY BIZZY BIZZY.

When I tried to call yesterday, her line was busy then, too.

I hope she's getting an earful.

[Subdivisions]

51. So, booshco goes "outside the law" and she wants to ensure

no future president does the same. So, an admission that the law was broken. Where's the justice?

[wtmusic]

52. DiFI -- "I think we can all understand" why Americans' privacy was trashed

9/11!! 9/11!! 9/11!!

:grr:

[JerseygirlCT]

53. Ah, that will be her twist, PR-wise

She voted against the administration, just not against the telecoms who did the administration's illegal bidding...

Boy the mental gymnastics some of these people have to go through in order to ignore the Constitution!

[JerseygirlCT]

55. "limited measure of court review"

Doesn't sound any better when you say it twice, DiFi.

[JerseygirlCT]

She makes it all sound as if this is just about

telecoms and the gov't.

Nowhere in her thinking, apparently, do individual's rights to privacy come into play. It's all about whether telecoms will assist the government.

[spanone]

54. this is just so much horseshit....she is voting for immunity cause it was bu$h*s fault not telecoms

so if someone tells me to rob a bank and i do, then i'm not a criminal?

[Subdivisions]

56. She'll vote for an amendment that disallows immunity, she just

won't file it herself. Pah!

[wtmusic]

62. Oh, and she'll vote for cloture before she'll allow said amendment

to be added.

[pleah]

57. She is so full of shit.

[spanone]

60. the facists are winning....daily

[pleah]

64. How right you are.

[Subdivisions]

76. We are systematically being taken over. Gee, I wonder what

all those KBR/FEMA detainment camps are for...

[Subdivisions]

58. BOO!!! The nation will be laid bare!....OH NOES!!!11!! Terrists around every corner!!! n/t

[Subdivisions]

61. Chambliss muted. n/t

[jtrockville]

65. Chambliss said congress was briefed BEFORE programs began.

So they were briefed January 2001?

[mod mom]

66. not all, but leadership knew.

[jtrockville]

73. Right, but in February 2001? That's when it started.

[robinlynne]

151. exactly!!!!!!!!

[JerseygirlCT]

67. Serious question

does anyone really think that the reason we haven't suffered another terrorist act is because of the heroic work of the intelligence community?

I'm not sure I buy it. Dumb luck might be as likely.

[Subdivisions]

68. We haven't had another attack because our government

hasn't sactioned another one. But they will.

[JerseygirlCT]

69. Last week of October? nt

[Subdivisions]

72. I know, I know...the October Surprise tin. We'll see. n/t

[spanone]

70. we're five years into a needless war thanks to the heroic work of the intelligence community

[spanone]

71. my blood pressure can't stand the smell of this manure...i'll tune in later.

[mod mom]

74. Lost intel this week becuase of this delay-they have something up their sleeve-think

Black's comment, William Kristol's comment, McCain comment on the draft. :mad:

[JerseygirlCT]

75. Retrospective as well as prospective immunity

I'm betting they'd like that for the administration, too, huh?

[lame54]

77. Feinstein just gave a speech supporting it...

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[mod mom]

78. He says he's worried about higher bills for consumers! Why not take it out of the CEO's pay!

[mod mom]

83. BERNIE!

[pberq]

84. Bernie Sanders - YES!!!!!

What this debate is about: whether we can fight terrorism while protecting the Constitutional rights

[briv1016]

85. What happens if they don't yield to someone on our side? Can they take this right to a vote?

[gateley]

89. I just learned today from a DUer that there has to be 51 Senators

present in order to conduct any actual business.

[wtmusic]

86. Sanders making great point about immunity.

The precedent will allow future presidents to say, "I am the law".

:thumbsup:

[pberq]

88. that was a fantastic speech - Bernie did us proud as Americans

[wtmusic]

87. Hatch whining because he can't trash A4 quicker

Boogeymen after us.

Can't he just retire and write bad songs? :shrug:

[trashcanistanista]

90. Hatch doesn't believe warrentless wire tapping

is unconstitutional. He has posters. Whether a warrentless search is reasonable? In his opinion it is.

Now trying to justify domestic spying.

[Mojorabbit]

91. I had to mute his speech

before I destroyed my monitor.

[tpsbmam]

96. Had to mute mine before....

my blood pressure goes through the roof and a 4-year-old hears a string of profanity that would get her mouth washed out with soap when she goes home.

[pberq]

92. In that case, why don't we just follow Hitler's policies?

Police states are good for us

:sarcasm:

[tpsbmam]

93. Sitting here with the 4-year-old who is regularly indoctrinated by me (with

her parents' permission). We were playing "Lotto" while I had the debate on in the background. I finally had to mute Hatch because I just couldn't stand it any longer. She asked why I did that and I explained that I already knew what he was going to say. She wanted to know what he was going to say and, rather than explain it to a 4 y.o., I said he was going to say what George Bush says. She gasped and shouted, "HOW DARE HE!!"

My work here is done. ;-)

[iris5426]

95. lol

:applause:

[trashcanistanista]

104. Good for you for being the change

you want to see! Lucky, lucky kid.

[suffragette]

94. No , Hatch. Your party thinks "so little of the intelligence community"

that you would out a CIA agent and cripple the investigations she was conducting in order to push an unjust war.

[Windy]

97. Is Obama there?

[jtrockville]

98. OMG, Hatch said Bush is HONEST???

[G_j]

99. puke, barf, wretch....

watching this is hazardous to a sane person's health!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

100. Pompous aristocratic Hatch is almost crying for Bush

talking about how much hatred he sees for Bush. LOL.

Hatch looks like he belongs in a three cornered hat with a powdered wig, riding coat and lace sleeves, from which he draws a little snuff box while extoling the virtues of King George.

[trashcanistanista]

101. Wyden talking sloooowwwly.

"This Adminstration has overreached, fallen short and then asked the Congress to clean up these legal messes." (!!!)

[fasttense]

102. Sen Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) is up and he said...

This warrantless wiretapping bill is built on legal quick sand.

[JerseygirlCT]

105. He's doing a wonderful job

and what he's saying about businesses not helping gov't unless there's something in it for them... right on. Just what I was thinking.

"Follow the law, and not just the word of the president". Exactly, Senator Wyden. Too bad this president doesn't see the distinction. In his twisted mind, he IS the law.

[Spike89]

114. I sent Wyden a message of support yesterday

And my congressman Peter Defazzio one a couple days ago when he voted in the house against this fiasco. Even our Jr. senator, Gordon Smith (a repug) is running ads touting how "close" he works with Obama! Maybe Oregon should just get out of the union and go it alone.

[dixiegrrrrl]

103. Poor Ron Wyden

You can recognize his lisp immediately.

We are watching another historic event in our country.
Liberty crumbling.

[JerseygirlCT]

106. I'd rather a lisp in someone speaking bravely

than the most silky smooth voice telling more lies.

[EFerrari]

108. You bet! n/t

[trashcanistanista]

107. His words distract from his lisp.

He is doing very well.

[Subdivisions]

112. Oops! Wrong place. n/t

[pleah]

109. Dodd is up now!

[southern_belle]

111. Dodd is awesome!

:applause:

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

115. Dodd has turned me into a real fan

I liked him somewhat during the debates, but this courageous stand he's taken has brought about new heights of respect for him within me. And he communicates his position very well.

[spanone]

120. i really don't see upholding the law and being courageous....it's doing their jobs

although i do understand your post and i respect him too.

[JerseygirlCT]

110. Ok, here's my senator

(That's singular. I have only one.)

[spanone]

122. i have none (tennessee)

[JerseygirlCT]

126. Yeah, sorry about that

If I have to be saddled with Joementum, at least I've still got Chris Dodd.

[spanone]

133. tennessee has no such balance...and my rep is the repulsive marsha blackburn R-bitch

[Jakes Progress]

135. You think you have no senator,

I live in Texas. I'm completely screwed.

[iris5426]

113. I love Sen Dodd.

:patriot:

He is one of the only real patriots we have left in congress...

[Subdivisions]

116. Yay!! Dodd to introduce immunity-killing amendment! n/t

[JerseygirlCT]

117. And another disappointment (Rockefeller)

What is going on with these Democrats? Truly, why the fear of doing the right thing? Why are so few willing to stand up and DO something?

[crickets]

138. I know what Jay's problem is.

It's the same problem Nancy has: COMPLICITY.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Eight

[EFerrari]

118. I really detest Democrats chatting up a threat that seems to be largely

a Bush marketing strategy.

[JerseygirlCT]

121. You know, it's terrible to say

but I'm darned tired of "compromise".

Screw that. Can we just enjoy some our way or the highway for the Dems? There's a whole lot of course correction that needs to happen before compromise gets us anything good.

[EFerrari]

123. This isn't "compromise" -- this is white washing. n/t

[JerseygirlCT]

125. Yeah, that's sort of what I meant

Everytime now I hear the word "compromise" or the word "bi-partisan", what the speaker really means is "cave-in to the forces of facism".

[janet118]

132. Bi-partisanship is another word . . .

for date-rape.

- Grover Norquist

[JerseygirlCT]

127. Rockefeller: "and on our side, Leahy and Specter"...

Hey Jay, um... the guy's NOT on our side. In fact, you're not on our side on this, either.

[pberq]

130. with friends like these, who needs enemies?

[JerseygirlCT]

128. Roll call nt

[pleah]

129. Quorum call!

[spanone]

131. when do they begin to filibuster?

[pleah]

134. Has the sound gone out on anyone else?

[robinlynne]

137. yes and then Dodd was talking about housing. wtf?

[pleah]

139. I had to hit the mute button, just to see what he was saying. I still

don't have sound.:shrug:

[robinlynne]

142. looks like they went into a recess. nothing is happening. Noone is speaking.

I have sound but only hear people walking around an empty room.

[suffragette]

140. Turned away and no sound, now no picture

Did they recess?

[robinlynne]

143. ok. now therre is a sign up which says: Quorom call. "this delay allows leaders to negotiate

or senators who are not in the room to return".

[WilyWondr]

146. Classical music...

Made me jump when they turned it on.

Who thinks that this taking so long is a good thing or a bad thing?


I am hoping it is a good thing.

[robinlynne]

147. no clue. My day was ruined watching Feinstein speak.

[suffragette]

152. Hmm, negotiation time

Wonder what that means.

[pleah]

136. Dodd notes the absense of a quorum.

[spanone]

141. rockefeller is back up

the audio is all fracked up

[pleah]

144. Well, sound is back on. Playing classical music.

They sure don't want you to hear what's going on do they.:eyes:

[LSK]

145. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Wow this is exciting!

:popcorn:

[robinlynne]

148. thanks. I needed a giggle!

[robinlynne]

149. By the way, why did Dodd say they are about to go away for 2 weeks?

He implied it was with or without a housing resolution...

If I don't finish my photos I simply get fired. There aint no, "I'll do it after my vacation...."

[spanone]

153. its the 4th of july holiday, i'm sure they take off a lot of time

[robinlynne]

150. ok. they just moved over to the housing bill. why? what happened?

Maybe people left the room so they couldn't vote on fisa?

[pleah]

154. I can't figure it out either.

:shrug:

[pleah]

155. Fellow DUer posted this

democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3368266

[suffragette]

156. Back to FISA now

[pleah]

157. It is a good thing I didn't turn the TV off!

[suffragette]

158. I'm glad I didn't shut down the stream, too

[suffragette]

159. Sounds like Biden et al are voting not to proceed

[pleah]

160. Yes, but Biden and all only total 15. Not good.

[suffragette]

161. And now it's on to other matters

Medicare
George Orwell's birthday reference.
Now Harry's saying they made need to stay instead of going on holiday.

[pleah]

162. Well hell, I have lost the sound again!

[suffragette]

163. Grassley was talking

Now it's roll call again.

I'm heading off and can't check back for a few hours.

KPete's thread is pretty active. You might want to hop on there.

Glad DU is here so I'll be able to catch up later tonight.

[pleah]

164. Catch you later, bye!

:hi: