jesus CHRIST, Obama surrogates>> STOP accepting the Right Wing Premise, as in:

[Gabi Hayes]

on MSNBC....

they're running some BS right now that cites a "focus" group that has found that Barack doesn't seem like a real American because of his NAME!!!!

this simp on the dem side is just swallowing the garbage from both the host and the nonstop chattering bleached blonde bimbo

not only did I miss him call this focus group into question (FRank Luntz, maybe?), but he kept allowing them to set the tone of the argument, never challenging the validity of their talking points, which seemed to center around Ralph Nader's inane remarks concerning Obama/Jesse Jackson

this is why Obama is in trouble, despite all the rosy scenarios being painted

even his surrogates can't handle the well-trained wingnuts against whom they're fed like lambs to the slaughter

why am I watching this stuff?

[spanone]

1. i turned on msnbc earlier and some unchallenged right winger was going on about the obama flip flop

on public financing....obama folks only need to study john kerry's candidacy to realize they are being swift boated by the entire media

[dchill]

4. "swift boated by the entire media"

Now THAT's a problem.

[spanone]

9. the media 'en masse' jumped all over the james dobson remarks...coincidence?

this can be done with great subtlety....

[Gabi Hayes]

13. I ranted all over that yesterday: why on EARTH is that man allowed ANY

airtime at all?

he ADVOCATES a father showering with his young son, so the boy can see the difference in PENIS size!!!

they read that right off his website today on Stephanie Miller, quote-unquote

here it is, from his own site:

Can Homosexuality be treated and prevented? !!!!!!!

http://www2.focusonthefamily.com/docstudy/newsletters/a000000264.cfm

Meanwhile, the boy's father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son's maleness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his son, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with a little girl. He can help his son learn to throw and catch a ball. He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this man is allowed a forum, without any question?

he just spouts craziness, as he did yesterday, and they just put it up there?

where's Farrahkan? why can't he say McCain eats baby girls, and have that discussed without qualification for six days?

[Gabi Hayes]

2. I mean, is it so difficult for ANY of them to just say, "STOP right THERE."

I reject the basis of your phony question, and you'll have to give me some more information about WHO conducted that focus group, and what the makeup of the was.

were they James Dobson droolers, assembled by Ralph Reed, or what?

they really need to start leveling the playing field, and QUIT allowin themselves to ALWAYS be put on the defensive

why can't they just turn the discussion around? all they have to do is change the subject, for one thing, the favorite tactic of pugs who can't answer substantively the question at hand

how difficult is it to employ that little trick, just for starters?

[electropop]

8. You point out a good tactic: attack the messenger.

Pukes do it all the time. In this case, point out the likely bias of the source, and ask what the text of the questions was.

[tblue37]

31. Remember how powerful Bill Clinton seemed when he slapped down a FOX

jerk for trying to set him up with RW talking points? (I think it might have been Chris Wallace.)

[Gabi Hayes]

33. and remember how the media couldn't STAND it? they hated him for that,contrasted

with the time poppy confronted Dan Rather with his dead air crap, which many say got rid of the wimp image

it's the old IOKIYAR garbage

the eggshell theory....dems can't rock the M$MGOP boat. if they take it, they're squishy wimps, if they call BS, they're whiny crybabies

[HCE SuiGeneris]

3. MSNBC is equivalent to Faux these days... with the exception of KO.

[Gabi Hayes]

5. amen....did you see this, re: Charles Black, whose diatribe seems to

have disappeared, exactly as I predicted on Monday

and yesterday. I said it'd be pretty much gone by today

after all, Jay Carney found the whole thing "tiresome"

here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3513526

[spanone]

7. carney...what an asshole....

[polichick]

11. So true - KO is the only worthwhile show they have now...

...and I also enjoy Rachel Maddow ~ wish she had her own show!

[LibDemAlways]

39. They still make Keith put on that awful repuke shill

Dana Milbank as a frequent talking head. Olbermann can never get him to say a bad thing about the Bush Crime Family, but it isn't for lack of trying. It's a good thing KO earns high rating numbers. It's the only reason he still has a job.

[dchill]

6. Most of the so-called "Obama surrogates" are not...

really. Typically, they're "Democratic strategists" with very little instinct other than getting some face-time. On other words, the "closer" the race, the better for them. Very little is Democratic about their strategy, IMO.

[Gabi Hayes]

10. true, that's how this wimp was labelled and Sheri (sp?) the she devil

devoured him, with help from the hostette, who wouldn't let him talk, even the little time he had while trying to get a word in during breaths by the bottle headed harridan

[polichick]

12. Sheri is THE WORST of right-wing analysts imo - and, wow...

...she just keeps having more face work ~ new lips this time I think.

[Gabi Hayes]

14. how could you tell....they were moving too fast to see anything

did you do a freezeframe?

yish

[polichick]

15. Lol - I always mute her, and that way it's easier to focus on the visuals.

[Gabi Hayes]

16. they're on AGAIN, and she will NOT let him talk!!!

blathering about how Obama has no gravitas, so you won't see him together with Clinton on stage for a LONG TIME

can you imagine what she said about Clinton's gravitas a few years ago?

she WON'T stop interrupting him, and interrupted him when he asked her to let him finish

he's DEFENDING, though, and NEVER attacking

you LOSE when you play it that way.

and it's a game, friend

a man eat man game

[Gabi Hayes]

17. I missed the beginning of the exchange, but I HOPE that guy said, in response

to her charge that you won't see C and O together, something like this:

WHEN are you going to see Bush and McCain together, you ignorant slut?

then he could have said something about Bush being the worst president EVER, and that McCain voted WITH him A HUNDRED PERCENT of the time (this year). then if she said it's because he's on campaign, he could say, "sorry, he only voted with Bush NINETY FIVE percent of the time last year"

why aren't they just interjecting those facts into EVERY exchange

that's how Gore "lost"....repeating crap (lies, instead of truth being a key difference) about him over and over and over, til the public 'believed' he was a liar, stiff, uncomfortable in his own skin, etc.

[EarlG]

18. Are they doing the "strategist vs. analyst" trick again?

I was watching MSNBC the other day, they were talking about Obama opting out of public financing. They had a "Democratic political analyst" on vs. a "Republican political strategist." When the host referred to the analyst as a strategist, she actually corrected the host and made sure that everyone knew she was an "analyst, not a strategist."

Seems like a minor difference, but the actual result was that the "analyst" ended up, well, analyzing the situation in a fairly non-partisan fashion, whereas the "strategist" spent the whole time shilling for McCain, yelling that Obama had gone back on his word and can't be trusted. The analyst didn't offer a rebuttal because that apparently wasn't in her job description.

See if you notice this happening in future.

[polichick]

19. I've noticed the two approaches, thinking the Dem was more fair...

...but didn't notice the different labels ~ how sneaky!

[Gabi Hayes]

20. manipulation of language...the key precept of Marketing 404.

Bernays would have been proud

it's the only way they 'win' elections

control the language/control the parameters of discussion, you almost always win the 'debate'

especially when you have moderators like Gibson, Stephanopoulos, Russert, Williams, Schieffer, Lehrer....need I go on?

[polichick]

21. It's pretty disturbing - but all the more amazing...

...that Obama and our movement are doing so well ~ thank Gore for the Internets! :)

[Gabi Hayes]

22. more and more it's reminding me of France, ca. 1789.

what this country NEEDS is a Media Bastille day!

Bush/Cheney would be sitting in a jail cell by now if we'd had ANY sort of media that did it's job in even the most desultory manner

[Gabi Hayes]

23. by that I mean this:

a powerless, captive public, KNOWING they're being spoonfed a raft of lies, not knowing how to react, feeling impotent, resentment bubbling just under the surface

key difference is that we're too easily distracted by our 40 inch plasmas, and drive through Fatburgers. we need to REALLY have things put to us, which is clearly starting to happen

unfortunately, they have the 'boot on neck forever' drill almost completely in place by now

look out below

[EarlG]

24. I doubt I would have noticed it

had the "analyst" not made a point of correcting the host when the host called her a "strategist." She obviously didn't go into details but she seemed pretty keen to stress the difference.

[KoKo]

38. Actually I saw that one.... and couldn't figure why the Obama Op was not defending him with

good Talking Points. Your explanation makes sense. I finally had to turn of MSNBC. They turned their "Election Dial On"....and in election years it always goes to the Repug Dial.

They've been on a roll against Dems since Obama became nominee. They took a break for the endless Russert Wake...but came back roaring. And, CNN (the War Channel) is hardly better but there's a bit if news that's not Campaign Ops that creeps in once in awhile.

It's the stories they aren't covering and the repetition day after day of the same Campaign Talking points with MSNBC...that finally made me turn them off.

Thanks for the tip...

[Gabi Hayes]

25. the latest meme:

FRIGHTENINGLY INEXPERIENCED

Heather Wilson said that.

you remember her, yes?

or is it him?

watch for the frightening bit much more, attached to whatever pejorative noun you choose

and, of course, the twitette allowed her to blather on, unchallenged WRT her most outrageous accusations

can't stand it

nice IPOD for Barack, thoug: Miles Davis, Dylan, Springsteen, YoYo Ma

what an ELITIST

wonder if McCain knows what an IPOD is......

[carpenteroftheforest]

26. thats plain open bigotry...alive and well

[Gabi Hayes]

27. welcome, yelm!

organic trees?

[Swamp Rat]

28. For the most part, I quit watching

However, I sometimes scan the M$M for about 5 minutes to pick up the weekly 5-20 second talking points, just to monitor Big Brother.

I can handle Qlbermann for the first half hour, but that's abut it... and the Colbert Report, and sometimes the Daily Show.

[EFerrari]

29. Get used to it. That's what they're going to do.

And at this point, I can't care very much.

[Stinky The Clown]

30. Bleached Blonde Bimbo is Cheri Jacobus

She is famous for her atomic powered mouth and her ability to use it without apparently breathing. In some circles that might be a trait worthy of admiration or coveting.

She spits words faster than a machine gun and has the ability to keep on talking right over six people trying to get a word in edgewise.

Read her online bio ...... http://www.capitolstrategiespr.com/cherijacobus.html ..... it is waaaaay out of date and shows how little she's actually accomplished. Gilchrist ultimately would up being beaten in the Repubican primary and will soon be joining Ms Wilson (Cousin It?) in the bread line.

[WhiteTara]

32. it's true...how American is "Cheney"

that sure sounds foreign to me!

[Wednesdays]

34. Think this is bad? Just wait a couple of months.

You're gonna see a gang-up attack on Obama by the M$M like you've never seen done to a candidate in all of history.

[Gabi Hayes]

35. I/m afraid you're right, but it's hard to imagine them being any worse than they were

with Gore, Kerry, Clinton, for that matter

Dukakis, even

they left Mondale alone, cause he was, well, pathetic on his own

they really went after Carter, though

[many a good man]

36. We've never had a president whose last name ends in a vowel

(except for the silent e)

Sounds too ethnic.

But America is changing. America needs a change.

1. George Washington, 1789-1797
2. John Adams, 1797-1801
3. Thomas Jefferson, 1801-1809
4. James Madison, 1809-1817
5. James Monroe, 1817-1825
6. John Quincy Adams, 1825-1829
7. Andrew Jackson, 1829-1837
8. Martin Van Buren, 1837-1841
9. William Henry Harrison, 1841
10. John Tyler, 1841-1845
11. James Knox Polk, 1845-1849
12. Zachary Taylor, 1849-1850
13. Millard Fillmore, 1850-1853
14. Franklin Pierce, 1853-1857
15. James Buchanan, 1857-1861
16. Abraham Lincoln, 1861-1865
17. Andrew Johnson, 1865-1869
18. Ulysses Simpson Grant, 1869-1877
19. Rutherford Birchard Hayes, 1877-1881
20. James Abram Garfield, 1881
21. Chester Alan Arthur, 1881-1885
22. Grover Cleveland, 1885-1889
23. Benjamin Harrison, 1889-1893
24. Grover Cleveland, 1893-1897
25. William McKinley, 1897-1901
26. Theodore Roosevelt, 1901-1909
27. William Howard Taft, 1909-1913
28. Woodrow Wilson, 1913-1921
29. Warren Gamaliel Harding, 1921-1923
30. Calvin Coolidge, 1923-1929
31. Herbert Clark Hoover, 1929-1933
32. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 1933-1945
33. Harry S. Truman, 1945-1953
34. Dwight David Eisenhower 1953-1961
35. John Fitzgerald Kennedy, 1961-1963
36. Lyndon Baines Johnson, 1963-1969
37. Richard Milhous Nixon, 1969-1974
38. Gerald Rudolph Ford, 1974-1977
39. James Earl Carter, Jr., 1977-1981
40. Ronald Wilson Reagan, 1981-1989
41. George Herbert Walker Bush, 1989-1993
42. William Jefferson Clinton, 1993-2001
43. George Walker Bush*, 2001-2009
44. Barack Obama, 2009-

[yodermon]

37. kennedy, monroe.

[LibDemAlways]

40. I grew up in an area full of people with names like

George Allen, who was an actual hs classmate. I had an ethnic-sounding name, and can speak from experience that it was no fun. It meant exclusion and isolation. A kid named "Barack Obama" in my high school would have been either ignored or made fun of or some combination of the two.

We'll find out in November how far America has come.

[Gabi Hayes]

41. can David Gregory possibly be MORE of a water carrier for the pugs?

the first two of his 'famous' three questions were totally loaded, and had very flimsy premises, which I can't remember now, but Joan Walsh accepted them, of course, instead of turning them against McCain.

her wimpy defense was very pathetic

dunno what happened to her lately. she's done much better in the past

maybe they told her to back off, or they wouldn't have her on anymore

[rucky]

42. "From the left..." I think we'll be seeing lotsa Alan Colmeses.

They'll just cherry pick their guests.

We have to stop watching.

[Gabi Hayes]

43. he stays on Fox, but Donna Brazille is the template that they seem to be

getting: ill-prepared, passive, defensive, somnolent

Laura Schwartz (sp) was very good, but she doesn't seem to ever get on, and I think we all know why.

and....how about Glenn Greenwald, Robert Parry, Joe Conason, people like that?

you NEVER see them.....OK, once in a blue moon, Conason, but I've NEVER seen the other two, ever....almost saw Parry on CSPAN, but missed it