Dutch prepare for Maya apocalypse

[emad]

Source: telegraph

By Bruno Waterfield
25/06/2008
Thousands of Dutch people are buying boats and rations and building bunkers to await an apocalypse predicted by the Maya of South America.

On December 21 2012, the "Long Count" calendar of the Maya people clicks over to year zero, marking the end of a 5,000-year era.

Belying their country's rational and laid back image, thousands of Dutch people are convinced the date coincides with a world catastrophe, the Volkskrant newspaper reports.




Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/2187871/Dutch-prepare-for-Maya-apocalypse.html

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How long before this spreads like widlfire to the USA?

[tekisui]

1. There are a lot of believers already in the US.

I know many who consider 2012 to be the end of this era.

[emad]

2. End of era and London Olympic Games.

Permanent end of the Bush family evil dynasty hopefully.

[tanyev]

15. The end of one era just means the beginning of new one.

Could be a much better one. :)

[Myrina]

66. YES!

Why does everyone misinterpret it to mean 'the end of the world'?

Why?


Sheesh!


:shrug:

[DrRang]

26. Uh, the Maya live in Central America, not South America. n/t

[heliarc]

81. Uh... the Maya aren't alive anymore...

The Maya were conquered by the Aztecs a long time ago, but their their descendants are alive and you are right... they are living in Central America. :-)

[shanti]

48. some think

it's the end of the world (as we know it).

[SpiralHawk]

3. The Mayan Daykeepers say this is a false interpretation of their calendars

And they are greatly concerned about the people who are deliberately misinterpreting and exploting the traditions and teachings of their calendar.

On Dec. 21, 2012 the Fourth World (era) ends, and the Fifth World (Age of Flowers) commences. There are massive changes and upheavals, the elders say, but life goes on...

Here's an in-depth report arising from what the Daykeepers themselves say:

http://www.chiron-communications.com/communique%207-10.html

Steep Uphill Climb to 2012:
Messages from the Mayan Milieu

"Anthropologists visit the temple sites," Mr. Barrios says, "and read the stelas and inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the signs correctly. It’s just their imagination...Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end. It will be transformed.

"The indigenous have the calendars, and know how to accurately interpret it, not others."

[SpiralHawk]

5. From the link: "Just now the dark side is very strong..."

"We live in a world of polarity: day and night, man and woman, positive and negative. Light and darkness need each other. They are a balance. Just now the dark side is very strong, and very clear about what they want. They have their vision and their priorities clearly held, and also their hierarchy. They are working in many ways so that we will be unable to connect with the spiral Fifth World in 2012."

"On the light side everyone thinks they are the most important, that their own understandings, or their group’s understandings, are the key. There’s a diversity of cultures and opinions, so there is competition, diffusion, and no single focus."

As Barrios sees it, the dark side works to block fusion through denial and materialism. It also works to destroy those who are working with the light to get the Earth to a higher level. They like the energy of the old, declining Fourth World, the materialism. They do not want it to change. They do not want fusion. They want to stay at this level, and are afraid of the next level.

The dark power of the declining Fourth World cannot be destroyed or overpowered. It’s too strong and clear for that, and that is the wrong strategy. The dark can only be transformed when confronted with simplicity and open-heartedness. This is what leads to fusion, a key concept for the World of the Fifth Sun.

(snip)

http://www.chiron-communications.com/communique%207-10.html

[Judi Lynn]

12. Thanks for posting this. It's wonderful to see a more enlightened explanation, after

hearing of approaching catastrophe in 2012 for YEARS!

The source you quote has real value. Looking forward to studying this more closely.

[tekisui]

8. Thank you, Spiral Hawk,

I am ready to usher in an Change in Era. We could all use it.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

10. Absolutely right

Thank you for the link and expressing the sentiment far better than this sleepy person could.

[Coexist]

23. thank your for that

two of my kids are actually 1/16 Mayan - I will have to let them know about this, they'll think it is very cool.

[nodehopper]

29. Anthropologists are the ones who will tell you

that the Mayan calendar predicts end of "this" world (epoch), not some escatological endgame. It's not anthropologists who make up this BS.

[redqueen]

46. Thank you, Spiral Hawk.

:)

[stubtoe]

55. SpiralHawk: question - when did we go to war with Iraq?

'According to Mr. Barrios’ reading of the Mayan calendar, if war happens in November 2002 or after, then it’s bad, but not catastrophic. But if it happens between April and November 2003, it will be catastrophic. Really bad. It could eventually result in the death of two-thirds of humanity. "So stay active," he said. "If we are active, we can transform the planet. The elders watch to see what happens."'

:scared:

[SpiralHawk]

59. March 20, 2003

and the invasion and occupation of Iraq has lasted longer than World War II, while racking up Massive PROFITS for republicon crony oil, munitions and mercenary corporations.

[Blue_In_AK]

68. I'm ready for a bit of transformation myself.

2012 can't come soon enough, if this is the case, and since the psychics tell me I'm going to live to be 93, I'll still another 28 good years left.

[Ian David]

71. The Catastrophe of PEACE breaking out?

The day after a Presidential Inauguration?

[Joanne98]

Dec 21 2012... The earth is aligned with our black hole.....

the archer's arrow is pointed to the "rift" and the thirteenth sign, the snake handler...

[Political Heretic]

78. 2012 is when Galactica gets to earth!

woot! :)

[eShirl]

4. it's been here; it'll 'pick up speed' as the date approaches

[Algorem]

6. will probably be lots of pre-owned boats for sale in 2013 Netherlands

[crikkett]

17. they'll need them to withstand global warming - prob. the more probable disaster

in 2012- most of holland is below sea level already isn't that so?

[Algorem]

31. that's probably why they'd buy a boat,but they know how to keep water out,

unlike U.S.

[crikkett]

41. it's not the knowledge it's the will

and back to my point, you can will the ocean to stay out of your bathtub only so much.

[mwb970]

7. So much for the idea that Europeans are smarter than us.

America is saddled with low-information religious people who fall for any lie they're told. I guess this problem is world-wide. Some, like these Dutch wackos, seem to delight in believing rumors, falsehoods, and silly talk (Muslim Obama, anyone?). How can there be any hope for the world when we have so many, many stupid people?

[The Stranger]

24. Those were my thoughts exactly.

[customerserviceguy]

34. There's absolutely no reason

to believe that this religion has any more validity than any other. I'm surprised to see so many people here seem to give it some sort of credence.

[Indenturedebtor]

72. Yeah they just know how to hide it better. We worship our stupid over here n/t

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

9. Uh, the end of the Mayan calendar isn't breaking news

It has been talked about for a long time--several years, in fact. There are several sites about it, the best, in my mind, being www.mayanmajix.com.

[sofa king]

11. I'd be much more worried about this if the world hadn't ended in 2000.

But since it did, this apocalypse will only put us out of our misery.

[glitch]

43. Lol! First belly laugh of the day, thanks! nt

[DS1]

13. McCain doesn't get re-elected and nukes everything

[BB1]

14. Hoax, poor translation of the dutch article.

I know of no-one who is building a boat or a bunker. In Holland, we'd probably laugh harder at those folks than you would. Our biggest fun is usually at somebody else's expense, so we'd know about it.

But I'll wait for the other dutchies to join in...

(at least it's not the dreaded 90% of the population!)

[Dogtown]

18. Thank you for the "reality check", BB1!

I can't see the few Dutch nationals I've met falling for this foolishness.

:hi:

[raccoon]

19. Thank you. I didn't think the Dutch people were that stupid. nt

[riverdeep]

62. Well, if it is a hoax, it's getting a lot of play.

Besides, even if there are 'thousands', there's some 16 million people in the Netherlands. Some percentage is always going to be wacky.

[BB1]

67. True enough. I just never heard of a single one,

so that's why I think I smell a rat. Still, there might be thousands who are keeping quiet about it. Might be they're embarrassed about it?
"Hey neighbour, what's y'all doing?"
-"Ehm, nothing. Certainly not building agiant Ark that I will fill with all animals of the world once the Apocalypse is here. It's just a new birdhouse. Why?"
"Well, I noticed some elephants on the lawn, there's a couple of penguins in the swimmingpool and this morning our dog got attacked by a giant anaconda."
-"Whihihi really?"
"No, I'm just messing with your head. Look, when the Final Reckoning comes, just hop over to my backyard and hide with us in the atomic bunker, allright?"

In Dutch, the coversation would look like this:

"Hey mongool, waar ben je in godsnaam mee bezig"
"Gaat je geen reet aan, lul. Bemoei je met je eigen zaken. Trouwens, als je het per se wilt weten: het is een vogelhuisje. En niet de Tweede Ark van Noach, of ziets geks."
"Hmm, gek. Ik zag namelijk wat olifanten rondstampen, er zitten een paar pinguins in de sloot en vanmorgen is de postbode door een enorme anaconda verorberd. Met TNT-karretje en al!"
"Hihihihihi.. Echt waar?"
"Nee sufferd, ik neem je in de maling. Luister, als het einde der tijden komt, ga je maar gewoon mee naar de bierkeet, okee?"

[Stuckinthebush]

16. Wow...

Why would anyone think that a pre-scientific civilization from 1000s of years ago would have any clue as to what would happen in 2012? It is ludicrous to think that the predictions of a superstitious people from that long ago would be relevant today.

But, people are funny and need to make sense of the continuing chaos in life. I guess this way is as good as believing in the Apocalypse of Revelation or that the Spaghetti monster will come down and strike us dead.

[SpiralHawk]

20. Do you know any Maya? Their calendar is far more astronomically accurate than

the Gregorian calendar that the Western world uses. If you are basing your biased comments about them on Mel Gibson's Apocalypse, I suggest you look deeper than right-wing propaganda. Mayan traditions and teaching, in my view, are quite sophisticated and merit no uninformed kiss off. One of the things the indigenous peoples of Turtle Island (North America) have been saying for the last 500 years or so, is that they are human beings, too, and have some useful insights they would like to share with the peoples who have for so many centuries been stealing their lands, livelihood, and lives. But the peoples who have flooded onto this continent, and South America, too, have been too busy grabbing to sit and listen. Consequently, in the native view, we have a massive problems with the air, water, soil, and forests that now -- right now -- threaten the survival of all peoples.

[TexasLady]

27. I love researching this stuff

and watch and read up on anything from the Hendaye Cross to Terence McKenna's Timewave Zero Theory. It's definitely not for everyone, but I just love to read up on the ancients, who never get enough credit. I always thought that maybe time is more circular than linear, and maybe there really are golden ages and dark ages, again and again.

Count me in as not so much a believer in disasters, but a student of just how fascinating and advanced ancient cultures were.

[Stuckinthebush]

28. Indeed

There are massive problems with air, water, soil and forests that threaten our survival. As romantic as it is to suggest that somehow the Maya were able to predict this through looking at stars a few thousand years ago, there is no scientific basis for that claim.

Humans have been screwing up their environment forever. We are a rather stupid species when it comes to that. Perhaps the Maya realized that humans are dumb asses who are incapable of seeing how they screw up their world even on the edge of disaster. Perhaps the calendar dude ran out of stone and figured, "Hell, 2012 is a long way off. I'll stop here." Perhaps this end times hooha will be added to the long list of other end times hoohas. See below:

http://www.abhota.info/end6.htm

So if the Mayan thing doesn't work out, we can look forward to 2017 when the Sword of Brotherhood says Gabriel told them that Dying Time happens.

And, oops...if that doesn't happen we can check in around 9/28/2020 for the Yom Kippur Parousia.

One thing is for certain, there will always be another end times prophesy to look forward to.

[semillama]

30. The World Ends Tomorrow and YOU may DIE

[SpiralHawk]

33. The Maya are not offering any End Times prophecy

Which you would understand if you had read my post.

You seem to be implying that science has all the answers. I have to laugh at that. While I respect science and logic, I have lived too long and experienced too much to regard its narrow parameters as having all the answers to life (witness the massive, and highly dubious, scientific surge to Genetically Mutant Food Facsimiles), and certainly not to life's Mysteries.

Again, I suggest you look into what the Mayan Daykeepers are actually saying about their astronomically (and scientifically) accurate calendars, not the pirated claptrap that outsiders are selling about it. Then you can kiss if off if you wish. But kissing it off based on distorted propaganda about it, strikes me as "avidya" (not wanting to know).

[Desertrose]

57. They don't get it because they don't want to get it, SH

It would mean that *SCIENCE* does not always have all the answers and that just isn't allowed in some circles. ;)

Here is a link to some fascinating info, not oly about the Mayans & 2012 but some pretty interesting scientific info.


Thanks for your input on this topic...I appreciate your sharing your knowledge on this subject since you have been working with the Mayans & their info for so many years.

:loveya:
DR

[Stuckinthebush]

58. I don't laugh at the astronomy

I laugh at people thinking that 5000 years ago a pre-scientific culture's calendar will predict the end of time/era/whatever.

It is interesting as a look into the culture of the Mayan people. It is interesting that their calendars were rather accurate based on observations. The scientific method (or a part of the scientific method) was useful even back then when determining the seasons.

Here is the really interesting thing, the article in the OP states that Europeans in the 21st century use this calendar endpoint as a point of catastrophe or Apocalypse. That is illogical. I don't dis the Mayan people because frankly, they were rather advanced for their time in terms of astronomy. I question the magical thinking of people in the 21st century who should know better than to rely on ancient prophecy.

[progressoid]

39. So accuracy in measuring the length of a solar year is helpfull in predicting the future?

How's that exactly?

[yardwork]

51. No more relevant than the predictions of a superstitious people of 2,000 years ago, riight?

Ancient texts survived because generations of people found them relevant. There is relevance to be found in many ancient texts. They weren't intended to be fortune-tellers. Instead, they were thoughtful reflections on humans and the world.

[roguevalley]

65. people were more in tune with the vibrations of the world than they

are now. don't diss them. they could see that if you piss in your own pot you are going to drown. explain that to the techno-boobs that exist now and think global warming is a choice to ignore and not a reality. our ancestors were damned smart enough.

[crickets]

82. "our ancestors were damned smart enough." Agreed.

It's not necessarily about a calendar from long ago, but the warnings all around us now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3519307&mesg_id=3520142

“We need to take a close look at this and then really come to terms with ourselves. To move ahead into the next 500 years we must leave some things behind or they will contaminate or even eliminate the future. We cannot go forward if we keep destroying the earth. But we must also ask, what is good and healthy and helpful? Those good things can be part of our foundation, part of our pathway into the next 500 years.”

Thanks to SpiralHawk and others like you, roguevalley, for the voice of reason.

[momster]

21. How Frightening....

I just looked at my calendar and obviously the world will end on December 31st because that's when there are no more days on my calendar...Um...We've been taking them down and putting up new ones for a very long time and if the world has ended, nobody's mentioned it.

[patrice]

22. Guilt makes folks susceptible to mass psychosis. Now, let's see, what are Americans guilty of? nt

[treestar]

25. Sounds something like Y2K

:rofl:

[mikelgb]

32. Time is Art! ...

http://www.tortuga.com/

I am a Red Crystal Moon

July 25th is the next day out of time

We are at the end of the 12th moon which ends tomorrow, 13th Moon begins on the 27th

[Indenturedebtor]

73. Hah that's my birthday :P Now there are two reasons to declare 7/25 a world holiday n/t

[bif]

35. And there's room for only one more Pope's name on the wall in the Vatican!

That was the one I heard about several years ago. Somehow, that was supposed to signal the end of the world. Huh?

[UTUSN]

36. Little do they know: This apocalypse targets only bunkers and boats!1 n/t

[renate]

79. !!!!!

Too funny!

:rofl:

I also wanted to give this thread a little kick because I'm really interested to hear that the Mayans never predicted that the end of this era meant the end of the world. I was recently in Mexico and our (Mexican) tour guide, who was very good and really well informed on local history, etc, said that's what it meant, so even some people with a much closer connection to the Mayan culture, and who were presumably taught about it in school, were given the wrong information.

I feel better about 2012 now.

[slackmaster]

37. I lean toward the Y2038 Unix clock apocalypse

That's what happens when you are a techie for as long as I have been.

[bean fidhleir]

42. Ah, but the 64-bit word will take care of that (nt)

[slackmaster]

45. There will be a few recalcitrants who still use the 31-bit number date format

And I fear some of those will be people responsible for vital government functions.

[emad]

64. You're all wrong, Judgement Day is this Friday 27 June, "Veterans'

Day" in the UK and it will bring down the entire British establishment as it likes to call itself.

The Celtic Wiccans knew back in 500 BC!

[AngryAmish]

38. People are too stupid for words

[progressoid]

40. .

:) :thumbsup:

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

44. Well, if you need a reason to buy a boat

and stock it with supplies,

This is as good a reason as any.

I'll take mine stocked with tons of bratwurst, buns, mustard, and beer.

:party:

[truthisfreedom]

47. Ironically, the Dutch are not looking too great if sea level rises dramatically...

And who knows when that is going to happen. Owning an extra boat isn't as silly as it seems. Bunkers, on the other hand... probably not such a good idea.

[yardwork]

49. Global warming and rising seas do put the Netherlands at risk.

Coincidence?

[paparush]

50. But..the prophecy says if we throw the weak hearted hunter into the volcano

then all will be well.

:-)

[dropkickpa]

52. Bwahahahaha

Stupid people are funny!

[Blue_Tires]

53. why stockpile supplies if the world is going to end?

[pepperbear]

54. Y5K panic! n/t

[lonestarnot]

56. Oh brother.

:eyes: can you spare a dime?

[LeftHander]

60. And I am wishing on 11:11....

To never be alone again.

[Papa Boule]

61. Self-fulfilling

When they all retreat to their bunkers no one will be left to put their finger in the levee.

[riverdeep]

63. Looking at this stuff figuratively is one thing,

looking at it literally is another. You can always find dates to have 'significance'. As another poster has pointed out, it's not even an accurate or full interpretation.

[edhopper]

69. I have been to the yucatan several times.

I've visited the ruins at Chicza Nicza (sic), Tulum and Coba. I have a great appreciation for their heritage and people. I think the world lost a lot when the Spanish purged their culture from them.
That said, this prophecy stuff is crap.

[Ian David]

70. Grab your wooden shoes and kiss your ass goodbye? n/t

[DFW]

74. I have friends there, and they say Holland is too crowded anyway

If this will alleviate some of the traffic jams, I'm sure the Dutch government is
all in favor of this happening.

[ColbertWatcher]

75. December 21 2012 is when the bears begin their uprising...

...but, don't worry, Stephen will protect us!

more...

[SpiralHawk]

76. The Next 500 Years -

In reference to the Mayan calendar, with which he is closely familiar:

"The journey we are beginning now is for the next 500 years. What will be the sacred path that people will walk over the next 500 years? Even in the midst of all the changes taking place and all the things falling apart, we are building that foundation now. That’s something important for us to remember and to focus on. If we don’t do it, no one else will.

“All anyone needs to do is look around. We have been destroying nature systematically for many decades. Now nature is destroying us with winds and storms and earthquakes, floods, and volcanoes. All that was known a long time ago. The elders have been telling us for years that this would come. Now it’s here and it’s hurting us.

“We need to take a close look at this and then really come to terms with ourselves. To move ahead into the next 500 years we must leave some things behind or they will contaminate or even eliminate the future. We cannot go forward if we keep destroying the earth. But we must also ask, what is good and healthy and helpful? Those good things can be part of our foundation, part of our pathway into the next 500 years.”

- Leon Secatero, Navajo

[Phred42]

77. If you lived 23 feet BELOW sea level you might have a different perspective

approximately 27 percent of the Netherlands is actually below sea level. This area is home to over 60 percent of the country's population of 15.8 million people.


ya gotta luv the Dutch - Pot, Hookers, mushrooms, now this.

[Matariki]

80. I don't GET IT - if you have a CIRCULAR calendar it eventually has to return to 'year zero'

How in the world do people interpret 'Apocalypse' out of that?

Can someone explain?

[PADemD]

83. Recommend: "The Mystery of 2012: Predictions, Prophecies and Possibilities"

by by Gregg Braden, Peter Russell, Daniel Pinchbeck, John Major Jenkins, et al

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Mystery-of-2012/Gregg-Braden/e/9781591796114/?itm=15