Open carry crackpots on Nightline now.

[sharesunited]

Scary people.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

1. I agree with them, and I'm not scary. Well, maybe a little bit

[Squatch]

9. I sometimes open carry, and have hardly gotten a second look from folks

It's really no big deal.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

38. That dosent go over well in the S.F. Bay Area

Where do you live? Can I move there?

[NightWatcher]

2. Open carry is insane....I prefer my Concealed Carry. Wouldnt want to tip my hand

[tuckessee]

3. Doesn't bother me at all. n/t

[StClone]

4. I carrying arms

Licensed nuclear devices because the Constitution says I can. I have my little beauty strapped to my back. And when my wimpy open carry buddies pirouette around demurely displaying their pea shooters daintily holstered on there vise grip tight scary cat asses, I can't help but chuckle. I be the bad ass SOB afraid of nothing. I am a Produce Clerk by trade and you never know when a car jacker, homies or Muslim will jump you. Glock !? Whereas I twirl around brandishing five pounds of Plutonium packed in all-leather casing. Part of a Well-Regulated Militia damn straight.

[Gabi Hayes]

5. I always have trouble fitting this one in my holster

[bperci108]

7. Would you believe that monster is a single-shot?

Egad.


:wow:

[Gabi Hayes]

41. it's a 50 cal sniper's rifle. same bullet as in the machine gun

I shot it a few years ago, and it's pretty bizarre

Wayne LaPierre said it's just a larger calibre, that's all, when discussing it on Hardball. in the context of how much firepower is too much

[Renew Deal]

11. That one works well on fowl

:nuke:

[Name removed]

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[The Straight Story]

6. We can fix all this by outlawing shooting people, or hurting others in general

We just need congress to pass laws against us harming one another - and all will be well.

After all, once there is law to protect us, people will obey it. Right?

All that said - I have known a plethora of gun owners in my life, and not a single one of them used their guns to hurt someone else (ie, they obeyed the laws in place). The one gun owner I do know that killed someone used his car to do so (he ran over the guy who killed his brother in a bar fight, a few weeks after my friend also burned that guys' house to the ground using matches and gas).

Open carry does not scare me, guns don't worry me either. People who don't give a shit about the laws we have and will break them and then have people make excuses for them do worry me though.

If you want to be tough on crime, then do so - but don't be tough on people who are not breaking any laws just to make yourself feel better.

Unless, of course, you are willing to see Iran in the same light - crazy people with nuclear weapons, RW folks telling us we should stop them from having them, and whipping people into a frenzy over the potential harm of it all.

Why some one the left worry about me having a pistol while not caring about other nations having a nuclear weapon is still a mystery to me. Do they trust Iran more than me?

If we say it is ok for other countries to have the same weapons we do and yet complain about people having a little gun...well what does that gain us?

Worry all you want about me and my handgun, but if you ignore the bigger threats to us don't sit around wondering why folks aren't voting for you.

I get really tired of hearing what a threat a single person here is while we give a pass to other countries who want to have the ability to nuke us - oh wait, I forgot - we should trust them.

Ok - when will someone trust me and my fellow citizens with a small weapon?

I guess I need to be a country before I am defended for having a weapon to defend myself.

[sharesunited]

8. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Weapons proliferation is an absolute bad at whatever level you care to suggest. Your cute little gun is just as much to blame. And if you walk around wearing it, there is something seriously wrong there. Civil society is incompatible with brandishment.

[Lance_Boyle]

14. open carry is not "brandishment" n/t

[old mark]

12. You know, after we do this, maybe we should declare a war

on drugs, and maybe prohibit alcoholic drinks. I bet that would be a great success, and really make us SAFE! (joke)

mark

[SteveM]

21. Not before I flare off a big bomber tonight in celebration! (nt)

[NNN0LHI]

10. Only guy on with darker skin color said the cops nearly aired him out over doing it

All I know is if a group of black, latino or God forbid arabs walked into any place of business or just walked down the street together around here with guns strapped on their hips the cops, SWAT, and Homeland Security would all be called immediately. And it is legal for people to open carry here in Illinois too.

This is strictly a white mans game. The Black Panthers tried doing this once a long time ago and they were all murdered in their sleep by the police.

Don

[SteveM]

20. "white man's game?" Umm, don't be so sure, buddy...

Has it ever occurred to you why the cops murdered those Panthers? I think it was because they had guns in defiance of the overall attitude in the country at the time: disarm radicals, especially blacks.

Read: www.georgiacarry.org and scroll down to the brief they submitted in the Heller case. To know the history of gun control is to know the history of racism.

[pt22]

13. Almost as scary as cops.

:eyes:

[sharesunited]

16. Now there's a brilliant plan. What are you thinking?

[pt22]

18. No idea who you are replying to...I proposed no plan.

:wtf:

[sharesunited]

23. You implied that you need your gun in order to shoot police officers.

How else is one supposed to interpret your post?

Defending yourself with a gun against your lawful arresters is a sure way to go down in a blaze of glory.

[pt22]

30. Get some professional help.

...

[NickB79]

32. Now THAT is an active imagination

Somehow you came to the conclusion that the poster was advocating shooting cops from that?!?

"How else is one supposed to interpret your post?"

Well, I interpreted it as saying most of us aren't scared of the sight of cops open-carrying handguns, so why should we be scared of licensed civilians carrying as well?

[old mark]

15. Open carry is legal in Pennsylvania, but

evidently many police organizations don't know the law on this.
Several groups in PA meet regularly in various restaurants, have dinner and a little meeting, then go home. All are carrying handguns in exposed holsters. This is perfectly legal in Pennsylvania, and there is no permit or license required to do this, as there is to carry a weapon concealed.

Most of the restaurants and their customers are OK with this, a few are not.
There are several lawsuits pending against police departments in PA for several incidents in which participants in these meetings were arrested, even though what they were doing is legal.

mark

[MadHound]

17. I would rather have somebody carrying openly than being a chickenshit carrying concealed n/t

[Ghost in the Machine]

22. Is that the extent of your intelligence? Calling people names because you disagree with them??

I guess putting any kind of relevant content, or a summary of what you're watching/listening to is beyond your abilities?

How about if we label your post as "Illiterate crackpot making nonsensical post on internet forum"? :shrug:

[sharesunited]

24. Who are you calling illiterate?

They're scary because they want to walk around letting the world know they have the ability to conveniently kill anyone they want on a whim.

If they aren't in uniform and/or carry a badge, that is a damn mental disorder.

Anybody who wants such power for themselves is by definition unfit to possess that power.

[beevul]

25. Clearly you do not understand.

"They're scary because they want to walk around letting the world know they have the ability to conveniently kill anyone they want on a whim."

A person, equipped with easily attainable UNREGULATED knowledge and/or training has the ability to quickly and conveniently kill anyone they want to, on a whim - without carrying any weapon at all.


"Anybody who wants such power for themselves is by definition unfit to possess that power."


I suggest you try to sell that to the people that study certain martial arts, the knowledge of and/or training in easily qualifies someone to fit your criteria.


I'm 6'2 and 265 pounds and not a chubby fella - think large NFL linebacker size - and with the knowledge I speak of, and/or training, I am certain I'd have the ability to "conveniently kill anyone" I wanted to, on a whim. Not that I would ever do such a thing, but I'd most certainly have the ability, without any firearm, or even a club.

[sharesunited]

27. You would at least have to approach them. Get up close and personal.

If I got a bad vibe from you I might be able to outrun your ass. But I can't outrun a bullet.

[Ghost in the Machine]

28. Thanks for mentioning the point about martial arts...

I meant to include that in my reply below, but got distracted by my kids coming in...

I'm 6'3 & 275... and have extensive martial arts training. I know 5 different ways to hit a man to where he'll be dead before he hits the ground, plus a few others where they'll be dead within minutes, drowning in their own blood... There are several of them covered in a book called 'Dragon's Touch: Weaknesses Of The Human Anatomy' by Master Hei Long. We won't even get into Krav Maga....


PEACE!

Ghost

[beevul]

37. Thanks, Ghost...

Knowing your a large fella, and that your trained, I know you understand that which others not necessarily large or physically powerful or trained may not understand:

Simply being alive carries great responsibility and care, particularly for folks like us. If you or I or people with the strength or training, or like you a combination, were to live life without that responsibility and care, someone could be hurt or killed, without any intention of doing so.

Even for people that are not large or physically strong - 100 pounds soaking wet, there are MANY weaknesses in the human anatomy that could be exploited to cause life threatening injury or death.

I seem to remember something about the collarbone, as one such non-lethal example example.

We humans are much more fragile than our robust appearing exterior and successful civilizations suggest.

[Ghost in the Machine]

40. There are a lot of things people don't understand, yet feel free to opine about..

Self protection is a basic instinct, usually called "fight or flight". Some prefer to run, others of us prefer to stand our ground and fight, no matter the cost...

I have used my training/skills before to hurt people, but I've also used them to help people, to defend those who *couldn't* defend themselves.

I *used* to actually *like* fighting, but I was a cocky fugger... I used to get inside the other person's head... real deep. I'd tell them "look, I'm gonna hurt you, but don't worry... I'll explain what's happening to you as your it's happening. You're gonna have some broken bones and your body is gonna be going into shock... try to stay calm..."


It's a great responsibility *knowing* that you can end someone's life in a split second with your bare hands. It's also a heavy burden at times...


PEACE!

Ghost

[Ghost in the Machine]

26. Would you prefer 'ignorant'?

You still don't understand the basic concept, do you? Criminals aren't allowed to own or possess guns. Law abiding citizens *are* allowed to own and possess guns. Criminals, therefore, would NOT be walking around openly carrying their guns. However, a law abiding citizen who is openly carrying a gun *may* deter a criminal from approaching him with the idea of robbing him.


"They're scary because they want to walk around letting the world know they have the ability to conveniently kill anyone they want on a whim."

No, once again, these are law abiding citizens who own guns. Do you think they're just going to go nuts and start killing people because they're allowed to openly carry their guns?


"If they aren't in uniform and/or carry a badge, that is a damn mental disorder."

Great argument for a Police State. Do you have any Democratic ideals you'd like to share? Also, wouldn't that be saying that only people *with* mental disorders become police officers, so they can feed their mental disorder and carry a gun openly??


"Anybody who wants such power for themselves is by definition unfit to possess that power."

Anyone who can spout bullshit assessments like this is by definition unfit to make that assessment in the first place. Please save your gun grabber's screed for someone else...

Thanks,

Ghost

BTW, I found it funny that *you* reacted to being called a name, yet you have no problem calling someone else derogatory names.... my irony meter just blew off the charts...

[sharesunited]

29. I don't mind being called accurate names: Anti Gun. Anti Gun Worship.

And I think I can distinguish Democratic ideals from Libertarian ones.

[Ghost in the Machine]

31. How about 'anti gun crackpot'? You don't mind *using* derogatory terms for someone else

why should you mind someone being derogatory towards you? That's all I was trying to point out...

You don't think the Second Amendment is a Democratic Ideal??

[sharesunited]

33. Big 2A original intent supporter here. Single shot, front loading.

So you think my use of the term "crackpot" was just flamebait?

I meant it as shorthand for over the edge. Off the deep end. Way way out there, man.

Can't abide open carry friendly. It is going backwards. Not progressive at all. To the rear march.

[Ghost in the Machine]

35. They had breech loading weapons when the Second Amendment was passed

Although breech-loading weapons were developed as far back as the late 14th century in Burgundy, the 1400's in Spain and Portugal, and the 1500's in England and China, breech-loading became more successful with improvements in precision engineering and machining in the 19th century.

Patrick Ferguson, a British Army officer, developed in 1772 the Ferguson rifle, a breech-loading flintlock weapon. Roughly two hundred of the rifles were manufactured and used in the Battle of Brandywine, during the American Revolutionary War, but shortly after they were retired and replaced with the standard Brown Bess musket.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breech-loading


Now that *that* argument is shot down, is there anything else?

[sharesunited]

36. I think we have consensus. Flintlock it is!

[Ghost in the Machine]

39. Well, what about cannons? They weren't flintlock, but were available when 2A was passed..

Should I be allowed to own a cannon if I want to? They fall into the "front loader" category, right? The "original intent" was for We, the People, to be able to arm ourselves and be a well regulated militia.. where's my *right* to own a cannon, dammit!?!?

[Cleita]

34. When I lived in North Idaho, I got used to seeing people carry guns or

have them in their cars or strapped to the tops of their trucks. It sort of became no big deal. I never saw anyone shoot anyone else. I think I would rather know someone has lethal weapons on them than not know. Just MHO.