"Insulting Dobson's integrity will cost Obama dearly with the evangelical vote!!!!11"

[Bluebear]

:eyes:

Obama Calls Dobson A Liar -- A Political Blunder of Epic Proportion

Contact: Christian Newswire, 202-546-0054

OPINION, June 26 /Christian Newswire/ -- The following is submitted for publication by Gary McCullough, director of Christian Newswire:

Barack Obama may have made a political blunder that will impact more swing voters than any other single factor: he insulted Jim Dobson's integrity.

By picking a public fight with America's most popular religious radio personality, Obama negated his best advantage with unaligned voters; evangelical Christians.

The evangelical community had been fairly unimpressed by John McCain. But Obama has shown a grave lack of political wisdom: he did not let this sleeping dog lie.

In April I wrote of how the attacks on Obama, his pastor, and his church were unjust, and would not work with evangelicals. True: every time a talk-show host played an audio clip of Jeremiah Wright, the hardcore conservatives were aroused. But McCain already has them; it is the average evangelical who he must woo. And when the Susie Q. evangelical heard the rantings of Jeremiah Wright, or the equally shrill rants against him, she turned the dial to her favorite Christian music format.

The hard core of evangelicals is not excited by John McCain because of his past ambivalence toward same-sex "marriage," and his (recently rescinded) support for federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research.

On June 24, Dr. James Dobson aired to 1.7 million radio listeners his critique of Barack Obama's use of scriptures to justify several Democratic policies and positions.

The following day Obama said that Dobson was "making stuff up;" an indirect way of calling Dobson a liar.

Until this flurry, McCain's standing with the evangelical community was undefined, and tepid at best. Moreover, it is commonly accepted that McCain cannot win without the evangelical vote. Obama's treatment of Dobson did two things; it eliminated any sympathy for the abuse he took for attacks on his religious associations, i.e. Rev. Wright, and two; Obama insulted the single, most powerful influence on evangelicals.

Insulting Dobson's integrity will cost Obama dearly with this critical swing vote. His mistake could prove to make the difference in November -- in favor of McCain.

http://www.earnedmedia.org/ccn0626.htm

[hobbit709]

1. Dobson and integrity in the same sentence?

:rofl:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. Dobson's a white Farrakhan.

Fuck him and his listeners.

[Gman]

3. Oh, yeah... like they just can't wait until election day to vote for Obama

That's the same group that's telling everyone Obama's the anti-Christ. They consider it common knowledge in their own circles.

[lpbk2713]

4. Call him a 'televangelist'.

Probably the same exact thing but it sounds a tad more polite.

"Keep them tithes a-comin' in brothers and sisters."

:rofl:

[pt22]

5. "Dobson's integrity"?? Impossible to insult something that doesn't exist.

:puke:

[Kookaburra]

6. Says who?

Oh. Christian newswire. Considering the source, all I can say is WHATEVER.
:eyes:

[BOSSHOG]

7. So now dobson is setting it up so

he will support mccain, although he said he never would. So another LIE from dobson.

Yo mccullough, dobson has no integrity. Any man who wants to replace the constitution with the bible (or any other religious book) can renounce their citizenship and leave. Unless of course, they really, really love THEIR constitutional liberties.

[murielm99]

8. Obama did not pick any fights with Dobson.

And Dobson has no integrity to insult.

This makes me like him even more. This makes me willing to go out and find ten or twenty more people to vote for Obama.

[AlCzervik]

9. Dobson should marginalized and people that follow him should have their mental health checked.

[JerseygirlCT]

10. Whoa. Step back here

OBAMA picked a fight with Dobson????

Seems to me that Dobson decided to pick a fight with Obama, based on a speech he gave years ago.

And just for the record? Dobson doesn't have any integrity to insult.

[jody]

11. IMO "Insulting Dobson's integrity" will cost Obama some/many votes among Christians. More mistakes

like that and Obama will be sidelined on 20 Jan 2009.

[Ikonoklast]

19. Most 'Christians' don't care for the likes of Dobson

"More mistakes like that and Obama will be sidelined on 20 Jan 2009."

Yeah, reviewing his Presidential Parade and waving to the crowd.

[jody]

20. Do you have a source for your assertion "Most 'Christians' don't care for the likes of Dobson"?

I personally dislike the man but I do know many Christians who are not Dobson supporters but who view an attack against Dobson as an attack against all Christians.

That's not much different than calling a person anti-Semitic if she/he criticizes Israel's government or accusing a person of being a racist if she/he criticizes Minister Louis Farrakhan but such things do occur.

[Ikonoklast]

29. Talk to a Catholic.

They are very wary of the tub-thumpers, and are one-fourth of all Christians in this country.

Trust me on this one, many Catholics wouldn't even consider a lot of those televangelist guys like Dobson 'Christian'.

IMHO

[jody]

33. Thanks. Do you have any idea how Roman Catholics feel about the United Church of Christ? n/t

[Ikonoklast]

35. Ecumenically friendly.

Very close in overall doctrine. Co-operate on many issues, poverty, hunger, etc.

[jody]

37. Well since we are just exchanging opinions, I disagree with your opinion re how friendly the Roman

Catholic Church is with smaller denominations including the United Church of Christ with about 1+ million members.

[DailyGrind51]

43. Prior to Vatican II, Catholics were a lot like the Christian Fundamentalists'

"my way or the highway" theology. Vatican II recognized "duel covenant-cy", the idea that each faith can have its own path to salvation.

[AspenRose]

30. "James Dobson doesn't speak for me"

Started up by Kirbyjon Caldwell (yes, that one who was with Bush)

http://www.jamesdobsondoesntspeakforme.com/

Between the "red letter" Christians (involved with groups like Sojourners and Americans United for Separation of Church and State), the Catholics, and anti-war types like Quakers, that's a pretty good chunk o' Christians.

Dobson's followers are just the loudest and have the most money.

There's also a generational gap; younger evangelicals are more concerned about "progressive" issues like the war and the environment. Folks Dobson's age are only concerned about abortion and homophobia.

[jody]

32. Thanks for the link. I counted about 13 statements but I don't see how one can extrapolate from

those to an inference about how Christians among the 200 million plus electorate will be affected by Obama's criticism of Dobson.

Obama is still trying to distance himself from his close ties with Wright and Pfleger.

It's entirely plausible that Obama will lose votes because he disowned Wright and Pfleger just as it is possible Obama will lose votes because he criticized Dobson.

I guess we'll just have to wait until November 4 to find out. :shrug:

[sendero]

53. You know...

.. no Democrat is going to get a substantial number of fundie votes, period.

If I were Obama I would not waste a lot of time with them, you can't fix STUPID.

[AspenRose]

60. .

"Compared to recent presidential elections, the current leanings of the born again constituency have reversed. The new Barna study shows that if the election were to be held today, 40% of all born again adults who are likely to vote in November would choose the Democratic candidate and just 29% would choose the Republican candidate. The remaining 28% are currently not sure whom they would choose, preferring to make their selection on the basis of the candidate than strictly on the basis of his or her party affiliation. ("Born Again Voters No Longer Favor Republican Candidates," Feb 4, 2008)"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-feldman/media-whitewashes-dobson_b_109151.html

[sharp_stick]

34. Most Christians don't consider Dobson a Christian

Televangelist whack-jobs like Dobson have greatly overstated their own importance for the simple reason that it gets them some more cash. These megachurch cult leaders are no better than the guy ripping off an old lady by promising to repave her driveway and then disappearing with the check.

Go into the giftshop at Dobsons little compound sometime and check it out if you really want to see what he's about. Grossly inflated prices on a bible cause Saint Dobby signed the fucking thing. They had a fake bronze bust of that egomaniacal POS on display and you could own it for the low low price of $495. I've got a picture of that thing somewhere, I really couldn't believe the cult of personality he's managed to design and form.

People that listen to him were never voting for Obama, at best we can hope that they think McLame is going to grind up a few fetuses (feti?) so they toss a vote to Barr.

[jody]

39. Your opinion is interesting " Most Christians don't consider Dobson a Christian". I'm not sure

anymore what a Christian is after reading selected phrases from sermons preached by controversial Christian ministers/preachers/priests.

Perhaps they are among the following, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." (Mat 24:24)

Were Jesus Christ to return today, he might be as bewildered as I.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

50. Yeah, you "personally dislike the man but."

Uh-huh.

For one who "dislikes" Dobson, you got pretty worked up about Obama saying he "makes stuff up."

[Rob H.]

21. Given that most of Dog-beater Dobson's listeners

are right-wing fundamentalists, they probably weren't going to vote for Obama, regardless, imo.

[jody]

26. You might be right, but I know a few who are fed up with Bush et al and want a new party in power.

I see no reason to present grounds for those swing voters to vote for McCain when Obama will need every vote in a close election.

[LeftyMom]

28. Your concern is noted.

:eyes:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

51. You know what I think?

I think you overdid it this time.

[HEyHEY]

52. Bah.

[Danger Mouse]

54. Bullshit. FUCKING bullshit.

[MonkeyFunk]

55. wow

that's dumb.

[Hekate]

58. See my posts downthread (56,57) regarding a different Evangelical who says the younger generation...

...of the Religious Right may well be available to vote for Obama.

Hekate

[tularetom]

12. This was bound to happen sooner or later

They were looking for an excuse to support McCain and denounce Obama. He shouldn't worry about losing the support of followers of a nut case like james (shower with your son and show him your penis) dobson.

In fact he should run ads featuring some of dobson's other pearls of wisdom (like "I beat my dog to show him who was the boss").

This is one sick sumbitch and the M$M isn't going to get the truth out about him.

[WyLoochka]

13. Dobson is an embarrasment

to many evangelicals. Many also regard him as a pompous, self aggrandizing, bat shit crazy "psychologist" and chronic liar.

[sshan2525]

14. Well, then how do you explain this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/dr-dobson-has-just-handed_b_108989.html

"Dr. Dobson Has Just Handed Obama Victory"

[Bluebear]

15. I like that scenario.

[ellie]

38. Thanks for that link!

That was interesting.

[butterfly77]

16. WRONG!

[DailyGrind51]

17. And, for an opposing view:

http://www.jamesdobsondoesntspeakforme.com/

"Dr. James Dobson recently attacked Barack Obama for a 2006 speech that Obama gave on his Christian faith. Does he speak for you?

James Dobson doesn't speak for me.

He doesn't speak for me when he uses religion as a wedge to divide;

He doesn't speak for me when he speaks as the final arbiter on the meaning of the Bible;

James Dobson doesn't speak for me when he uses the beliefs of others as a line of attack;

He doesn't speak for me when he denigrates his neighbor's views when they don't line up with his;

He doesn't speak for me when he seeks to confine the values of my faith to two or three issues alone;

What does speak for me is David's psalm celebrating how good and pleasant it is when we come together in unity;

Micah speaks for me in reminding us that the Lord requires us to act justly, to love mercy and to walk humbly with Him;

The prophet Isaiah speaks for me in his call for all to come and reason together and also to seek justice, encourage the oppressed and to defend the cause of the vulnerable;

The book of Nehemiah speaks for me in its example to work with our neighbors, not against them, to restore what was broken in our communities;

The book of Matthew speaks for me in saying to bless those that curse you and pray for those who persecute you;

The words of the apostle Paul speak for me in saying that words spoken and deeds done without love amount to nothing.

The apostle John speaks for me in reminding us of Jesus' command to love one another. The world will know His disciples by that love.

These words speak for me. But when James Dobson attacks Barack Obama, James Dobson doesn't speak for me."

[newmajority]

18. Even Pat Robertson is sick of Dobson

Maybe it was the whole "take your son into the shower and show him your big penis, so he WON'T be a homosexual, then beat the shit out of your dog to show him who's the boss" thing that finally scared Pat away?

Robertson's crazy, but compared to Dobson he's looking pretty good.

[Dukkha]

22. Screw the evangelical vote!

We don't need those brainwashed loonies help in the GE. They are incapable of independent though and would never vote for anyone other than a warmongering crusader.

[dogday]

23. Dobson call kiss my ass

That man gives religion a bad name.....

[asteroid2003QQ47]

47. Religion gives religion a bad name! n/t

[defendandprotect]

24. If we worry about Evangelicals, we're as confused as they are ---

[LostInAnomie]

25. Best line of the article...

"True: every time a talk-show host played an audio clip of Jeremiah Wright, the hardcore conservatives were AROUSED."

I think that says it all.

[bowens43]

27. I don't care who they vote for.....

it's time to round them up and feed them to the lions.

[malaise]

31. Who the fugg is Dobson?

What's his scandal for 2008? How did he buy all this influence?

[niyad]

36. it is a real pity that heart attack of dobby's wasn't a serious one. look at all the bs we would

have been spared.

[undeterred]

40. Maybe it will win him some votes

from people who have figured out that Dobson is a liar and an idiot.

[damntexdem]

41. Speaking the truth as a major mistake with evangelicals?

I suggest that with any evangelicals for which this is true, there was little chance of votes for Obama in any case. And any evangelicals with such a tender regard for Dobson may be unlikely to vote for McCain, either.

In other words, this article is just so much b.s.

[knitter4democracy]

42. Not this one.

Dobson's an evil p.o.s.

[spanone]

44. poitical blunder my ass...i'm damned proud to have a future president speak truth to these hucksters

dobson is a flim flam man. he's a con.

[jazzjunkysue]

45. Breath of fresh air: A leader who calls a foolish TV poser a poser.

Nice to see he can't be bamboozled by the "religious" right.

[L0oniX]

46. Dr. James Dobson is just another cult leader of morons.

Dr. my ass.

[noblesse oblige]

48. Not a Blunder...

..most evangelicals who would support Obama in the first place are smart enough to recognize that Dobson is an extremist whose integrity should be challenged.

[Swamp Rat]

49. Dr. Talibornagain's moronic follwers weren't gonna vote fer a 'nigra' anyway.

[Hekate]

56. Rev. Jim Wallis of Sojourners sent out an email defending Obama's Christian faith Feb. 28 this year

That's a great Evangelical voice to have on your side.

Dobson can take a flying leap.

Hekate

[Hekate]

57. Rev Jim Wallis sent out a new defense of Obama vs Dobson today

It comes as an email, but you can also find it as Sojo.net online.

Note at the end Wallis says that the younger generation of Evangelicals is "in play" in this election on the basis of environmental and social justice issues. Note also how those issues are framed. These are the voters we should be trying to draw in.

Hekate

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Dobson and Obama: Who is 'Deliberately Distorting'?

<snip>

James Dobson is insinuating himself into this presidential campaign, and his attacks against his fellow Christian, Barack Obama, should be seriously scrutinized. And because the basis for his attack on Obama is the speech the Illinois senator gave at our Sojourners/Call to Renewal event in 2006 (for the record, we also had Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republicans Rick Santorum and Sam Brownback speak that year), I have decided to respond to Dobson's attacks. In most every case they are themselves clear distortions of what Obama said in that speech. I was there for the speech; Dobson was not.

I haven't endorsed a candidate, but I do defend them when they are attacked in disingenuous ways, and this is one of those cases. You can read Obama's two-year-old speech,

[and-justice-for-all]

59. I seriously doubt that....

Dobson is a CINO: christian in name only.

He is a pathological liar who only got to where is, because of a radical christian supremacy group aka BLACKWATER.

[Brewman_Jax]

61. "Dobson" and "integrity" don't belong in the same sentence

but that is very funny. :rofl:

[BreweryYardRat]

62. Yeah, because I'm real sure those evangelicals were going to even consider Obama.

Sheesh.