and by the way, how many houses does does one have to own before he's considered ''elitist?''

[Gabi Hayes]

how many does McCain own, again?

I heard he's selling one of them.

has anybody ever heard a mention of this on TV, which is the only venue that matters for most peoples' "news"?

just curious, because I hear SEVERAL times a day that Obama is too 'elitist' to represent the typical hard working middle class American, as opposed to that up-from his bootsraps everyman John McCain.

does this bother anybody else as much as it does me? what bothers me maybe even more is that the WIMPYass surrogates/strategists/spokespeople have NEVER, EVER, not ONCE, used the seven house comeback to turn that outrageous argument on its back, where it belongs

pure, emotionally laden, mareketing driven propaganda at its worst, and, unfortunately, effective, because the Obama campaign is TOO STUPID to realize how this becomes implanted in the news consumers' consciousness, and helps establish a very uncomfortable feeling about this exotic Muslim candidate.

oops. did I get something wrong there. sorry. guess I shouldn't mention that he's a Muslim. should I say that again? Osama is not a MUSLIM.


EDIT: I wonder how many people in the USA have SEVEN houses, or eight....how many ever they have. Is it possible to find that out?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

1. Oh now, you know "elitist" doesn't mean rich anymore.

It means educated. Real Americans(TM) base their beliefs on easily digested bumper sticker slogans.

[Gabi Hayes]

3. ya know, you hit EXACTLY on how they always "win"

the GENIUS of the republicans is their consummate skill at reducing EVERY issue that they feel they can use to as few words as possible: bumper sticker marketing is the perfect analogy

partial birth abortion

clear skies initiave

liberal

socialized medicine

flip flopper

Love canal

they have an answer for EVERY complicated situation that can be expressed in the simplest, most emotion-laden terms

their GOAL is to short circuit the thought process, and go straight to the areas of the brain that are stimulated by fear, prejudice, anger, greed, etc.

[Stinky The Clown]

5. In part, this is because our side insists far too often on whole thoughts, total honesty, and ......

.... transparency. Repubicans just don't give a shit abut that stuff. And 'average' Americans (spelled m-o-r-o-n-s) eat what they're fed from their wide screen HD pablum boxes.

[bean fidhleir]

29. "'average' Americans (spelled m-o-r-o-n-s)"

I think that's a lot closer to why Dems have a hard time. Sneering at people who didn't have opportunities is not what *I'd* call 'progressive'.

[lectrobyte]

6. I agree with you, but one question: Love Canal?

Seems like that's one thing they don't want to talk about.

[Gabi Hayes]

8. talking Al Gore/Love Canal

Ceci Connolly, or was it the other one, from the NYT, MADE up/falsely edited his comments about claiming to have been the one who discovered what happened there, and turned it into another in the series of lies that helped mischaracterize him as, at best, an exaggerator, who didn't know the difference between fact and fiction

could have said Love Story, too.

back then either one would have been automatically connected to
Gore

seems a long time ago, doesn't it?

and worlds away

what fresh hell is this?

[WCGreen]

11. All we need is one word....

BUSH....

[Gabi Hayes]

13. haaaaaaaaa....they were talking about that on a gasbag show today:

about how the dems have been very good so far in tying the two together and it's HURTING his maverick IMAGE

well, that's all it is, a makebelieve image, pal

and they could be doing a BETTER job, by repeating EVERY time somebody goes on a show, and I mean every time

they aren't pounding it in the way they should

I think if they ran almost their entire TV campaign around that image, they'd have it in the bag

I mean, how much more than 100 percent voting record this year for Bush (how will he defend it....well, my friends, I haven't been to a vote since APRIL?), 95 percent last year does it take for people to get the idea that they're as close together as Chang and Eng?

[rwheeler31]

2. 9 Yes 9 house good.

[Gabi Hayes]

4. 9 is the elite limit, or 9 houses is good

sounds double plus good in my book

[rwheeler31]

7. Can you rhyme nine?

[Gabi Hayes]

9. adamantine

have to mispronounce it, but I wonder if you're going somewhere I can't follow???

[RoyGBiv]

10. In this economy?

One.

[Gabi Hayes]

12. good article, discussing elitism of the candidates

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/it-takes-real-chutzpah-fo_b_96376.html

McCain doesn't lack "chutzpah." Yesterday his campaign actually accused Barack Obama of being an "elitist" for saying that it's not surprising that people in small Midwestern towns are bitter after seeing their standard of living systematically destroyed over the last three decades.

Damn right they're bitter; they have good reasons to be. And most of those reasons are the economic and trade policies that have -- and continue to be -- championed by George Bush and John McCain.

The McCain campaign is managed by a cadre of Washington-insider special interest lobbyists. He and his current wife are estimated to be worth about $100 million. He reportedly owns eight houses. His let-them-eat-cake economic policies are based on George Bush's failed radical conservative "you're on your own buddy" philosophy. One after another he supported trade agreements that protect the rights of corporations, but ignore the rights of labor, and have devastated one Pennsylvania community after another. He gets most of his campaign cash from the wealthiest corporate interests around. And he has the gall to call Barack Obama an "elitist"?

This is the same Barack Obama who spent years of his life organizing out-of-work steelworkers on the south side of Chicago -- people just like those who live in Allentown or Erie or Pittsburgh or the Monongehela Valley in western Pennsylvania. He stood shoulder to shoulder with them, sat at their kitchen tables, spent hours in their church basements.

He didn't do those things as a famous candidate, but as a community organizer being paid $8,000 a year by a coalition of churches. You don't build a resume or a client list organizing unemployed steel workers. You do it because you respect the people and you care about justice.

[Gabi Hayes]

14. many houses, some on the same property, but it does add up

to at least five:

http://mainstusa.blogspot.com/2008/04/john-mccains-lavish-wealth-and-why.html

pictures, too

they won't talk about where in the DC area he lives. could be Arlington, where I used to

will see if anybody I know there has any idea

[Gabi Hayes]

15. ya know.....in their town hall meetings, the FIRST QUESTION I'd ask McCain:

My friend, there's some question as to how many houses or condos you and your wife and her company own.

could you tell us all how many it is? three? five? eight?

you insist that I'm an elitist, yet you own so many houses that it's impossible to determine what the actual number is. can you tell us what the exact number is, or have you 'forgotten.' I'll understand if you have a senior moment, but do your best.

[jamesA]

16. Two

Two

[Gabi Hayes]

18. wrong

prove this link is incorrect

can't wait to hear your "logic"

http://mainstusa.blogspot.com/2008/04/john-mccains-lavish-wealth-and-why.html



and you have to count Cindy's, because she has him on an allowance, and he can't afford the multimillion dollar properties on his piddling salary

[Gabi Hayes]

19. you have to complete your cut and paste to get your fifteen cents

from that McCain website that pays goofs like you to troll out

http://www.johnmccain.com/ActionCenter/BlogInteract/BlogInteract.aspx

hurry up! this thread will ge gone and OOSOOM pretty soon, and you'll have lost your chance.

hint....you can bookmark it. I'll be waiting, but I don't think this info is on their talking points list

you'll have to make something up on your own.....good luck

[ColbertWatcher]

22. One for the trollop, one for the c*nt. n/t

[csziggy]

17. The talking heads keep making snide comments about Obama soundling like a law professor

Surprise - he is/was a law professor. That is certainly better than sounding like a druggie slacker the way Bush does. Or an old fart on the edge of Alzheimer's like McCain.

Maybe it is that they cannot handle a guy who has better diction than they do?

[Gabi Hayes]

20. does anybody else think this is the kind of question the liberal media would

fall all OVER themselves if the situation were reversed, and O was the one with multiple houses on multiple lots, including a huge 'compound' in AZ?

[ColbertWatcher]

21. I believe the true measure of an elitist is if...

...he is married to a c*nt who owns a private jet.

And wears makeup like a trollop.

[dysfunctional press]

23. i'm pretty sure that osama IS a muslim.

obama isn't, but osama is.

[Gabi Hayes]

24. that was sposed to be a sarcastic reference to the way people like Matthews keep

'goofing up' on Obama's name, as he's been caught here doing at least twice this week

point was meant to be that when they're trying to "correct" the record, they
''accidentally'' say that Osama's not a Muslim, instead of Obama. very helpful to McCain to make those 'flubs' and get that meme imposed in the subconscious of the average voter who doesn't pay much attention

subliminal seduction



"1957 ....There's nothing like a {cock....er} Coke!"

Coke slogans
http://members.aol.com/daclassic2/collect/collst2.htm

[Jack Rabbit]

25. If things get any worse. . .

. . . one.

We're not there yet.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

26. Elitist isn't a well-defined term, but it's certainly not the same as "rich".

In as much as it has a meaning, it would be a matter of beliefs and values, not wealth.

But, basically, it's just a name to call people, like "bigotted" or "arrogant", that doesn't actually mean much.

[Gabi Hayes]

27. it means a LOT when the pugs used it as a cog in their wheel of

language abuse, and the very ill-defined usage of the word plays to their advantage. it's almost always a pejorative, just as they've made the word "liberal"

I wish to CHRIST that dems would, in response to EVERY time a pugthug uses the L word, would ask the hypocrite if he thought Jesus was a liberal or conservative, and make a few references to what the word liberal means.

they should NEVER EVER let the fascists get away with degrading the real meaning of that word. if it means putting a stop to the discussion, then, SWELL. do it every single time, and perhaps they'll STOP using it that way

they could do the same thing with 'elitist,' asking them if they'd rather have an elitist, who actually knew something about the economy, the law, etc., or some dolt who admitted he didn't know squat about economics, and had such bad judgment as to cheerlead for the WORST foreign entanglement in which this country has ever been involved.

[Gabi Hayes]

28. jedreport says ten properties at five sites, two in california, two in arizona,

one in VA

Before a president can effectively govern this diverse nation, they must first be able to understand the needs and struggles of its citizens. McCain’s astonishing wealth makes it impossible for him to relate to the millions of Americans who have been hurt by the economy.

John & Cindy McCain Own At Least Nine Houses In Arizona, California, and Virginia Worth an Estimated $13,123,269. John and Cindy McCain own a plethora of houses spread throughout the United States, including: two beachfront condos in Coronado, California, condo in La Jolla, California, a two-unit condominium complex in Phoenix, Arizona, three ranch houses located outside of Sedona, Arizona, a high-rise condo in Arlington, Virginia, and, according to GQ, a loft they bought for their daughter, Meghan. The value of their houses is an estimated $13,123,269.

http://www.mccainvminnesota.com/cribs.html

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http://www.jedreport.com/2008/06/the-mccain-resi.html

googe earth tour of their residences at above link