Have been away for over a week. Can anyone tell me if there's been an explanation by Obama

[hisownpetard]

as to why Obama will allegedly now support the FISA bill, which includes a provision for
retroactive immunity for the telecoms?

I'm an Obama supporter/contributor and was very surprised to read this news. Would really like to find more information
about the reasoning that went into this decision.

[babylonsister]

1. Here's a good post you should read...

as I'm sure you've guessed, lots of unhappy people around. I liked this one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6414174

[hisownpetard]

3. What a great diagnostician you are!

Thanks so much, babylonsister, for that link.

It was the perfect antidote to my initial reaction of disappointment and completely helped me understand
the realities of the situation.

I feel so much better after having read it (and learned from it).

You're the best!

[babylonsister]

4. That post lightened my mood, too.

And it was loaded with common sense. I'm glad it helped. :hi:

[leftofthedial]

2. hmmm, perhaps it's because

he's part of the ruling elite?

[elocs]

5. I like the Nance Greggs piece on the front page: "Going home with the guy what brung me."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6416358

It deals with the attitude of, "I'm unhappy because Obama did this, or said that, or why does he hate the Constitution?" Democrats are not one huge, same-thinking monolith that all toe exactly the same line and all believe in exactly the same things and all agree on what exactly is important and how important it is. If Obama were to run his campaign as one where he kowtows and panders to the far left of his party, then say hello to President McCain. Reality is a bitch and the point of being in an election is to actually win the election. I think too many Democrats are just plainly naive about politics and actually prefer to lose rather than have Obama not toe the line on each and every principle or policy that is important to each and every individual. No matter what he does, somebody is going to be unhappy with Obama.

[hisownpetard]

6. Thanks, eloc. Gonna go read it right now.

[Fire Walk With Me]

7. That the republican noise machine could utter nonsense such as "weak on terrorism"

based upon any candidates 100% refusal to play along with, in any amount, in any way, a FISA bill giving Bush all of that which it gives, is scary.

That people would latch onto a soundbite bereft of content, as a permanent association, without any research into the fact that Bush allowed the worst terrorist attack ever upon US soil... This says scary things about the US populace, and the effectiveness of the Republican demonization of the truth. And that the truth must be made a centerpiece of the election process.

That it obviously isn't, and that one must tip-toe around it, is evidence that those in positions of influence should make it a number one priority.

But obviously, Kucinich is telling the truth and few are choosing to either listen or to do anything about it.

I look forward to the day when the lie is laughed at, and the truth taken naturally.

[tjwash]

8. Lord knows Obama needs to try and win those 22 percenters...

...that he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting votes from anyway. :eyes:

As far as I can see, only the 22 percent whack jobs that think that bush is doing a great job think that FISA is a good thing. Hell, even my Hannity listening coworker thinks the fucking thing is a disaster.

So when the Democrats invade Iran early next year, what's the excuse gonna be? He needs to up his approval rating in Idaho?

[elocs]

9. It's deliberately ignorant to believe that Obama is trying to win the 22 percenters.

There is a good percent of Republicans who are not in that 22% and they may be looking for a reason to support Obama. That includes Independents who lean right or usually vote Republican with exceptions. Both of these groups have to deal with the deliberate Republican misinformation that tries to paint Obama as a Liberal--and they don't mean it in a good way. Within the Democratic Party, Obama would probably be described more as a centrist, much to the chagrin of the far left who somehow believes that Obama owes them and should bow, yield, and kneel to their wishes and think he should support their positions even if he does not believe in them. Imagine the disappointment they would have with a President McCain.