D.C. SNAPSHOT: Bush Lawyers on Child Torture and Burial Alive

[orleans]

randi rhodes is talking about this.
i haven't had time to watch the video yet
but ... it sounds like we were torturing children in front of parents in order to get info out of the parents
http://newsproject.org/node/82

[midnight]

1. How do our elected Dems. square this away.

[ORDagnabbit]

4. people need to wake up to the fact that a "D" behind a name doesnt always mean a good guy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. BINGO, you got it

[atreides1]

7. By having no backbone

I guess when it isn't your child being raped or sodomized, then it's no big deal. At least not to those who sit on the Intelligence committees in the US Congress!!

[yardwork]

10. Your sig line is highly apropos.

I look forward to the day when, not only do we have a Democratic majority in Congress, the White House, and in the judiciary, but we can start electing people who actually vote with their hearts and minds instead of in lockstep with the corporations that own them.

[BrklynLib at work]

13. This was reported by some people a couple of years ago but never made it to the MSM.

[readmoreoften]

41. Come on. They're keepin' their heroin dry.

That must be the powder everyone's talking about.

[Bob Dobbs]

2. Your tax dollars at work.

All American's that have not violently opposed this illegal administration are also guilty of these crimes.

I admit my own cowardly culpability here.

[yardwork]

3. Seymour Hersh reported this in the New Yorker in 2004.

He said that there are audiotapes and videotapes of children being sodomized and otherwise tortured to get their parents to reveal information. He said that the screams of the children are harrowing. All these materials were made available to Congress. If members of Congress aren't aware of this, then its because they carefully avoided becoming aware.

This information was public before the 2004 elections.

edited to add link no Seymour Hersh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh

[G_j]

8. and anyone who was aware of it, and did nothing

is an accessory to the crimes, and that includes Dems!

[yardwork]

11. A whole lot of people ignored this in 2004 and it's on their consciences.

[orleans]

17. i remember listening to seymour on an audio clip talking about that

however, i don't recall him saying they were doing this in front of parents in order to obtain information from the parent.

[libnnc]

31. Kick!

[EFerrari]

5. They started doing that (and variations) a long time ago.

So long I can't remember where I read it. Maybe in Vanity Fair ca. summer 2002?

[atreides1]

6. It has already been suspected

Initial reports stated that when Khalid Shiek Mohammad was captured, his two young sons were turned over to the US as well.

[EFerrari]

15. Iirc, the Red Cross got the very earliest stories about hostage taking

by US troops, and they got those reports when they went into Abu Graib to check on detainees. That's why I'm thinking it was as early as 2002. The RC complained to Bremer and he didn't do anything.

[notadmblnd]

24. did we go into Iraq that early? for some reason I thought it was 2003?

[EFerrari]

30. Oh, hell. Maybe it was 2004. In any case, it was within a year

of the invasion. :dunce:

[smoogatz]

9. Let Freedom Reign!!!1!!

The popular media will never address this because the implications are just too dark. If you accept the reality that the U.S. systematically and intentionally tortured children in order to get to their parents, then the only logical conclusion is that those who ordered these interrogations are guilty of the most heinous war crimes imaginable, and should be tried as war criminals. Man. I can't believe these evil motherfuckers have been running the country for eight years.

[yardwork]

12. Longer than that. The U.S. has been doing this kind of thing at least since the 1960s.

We started practicing in Latin America. Moving it to Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay was an acceleration, not a beginning.

[defendandprotect]

20. "Phoenix Program" in Vietnam . . . at least 60,000 plus VN civilians tortured . . .

thrown out of helicopters alive ---

It was an Edward Landsdale speciality ---

General "Y" . . . ???

[mikelgb]

14. wow that yoo is a piece of work

[defendandprotect]

21. Did you think he felt any fear at all . . . ???? Or just confidence?

[90-percent]

16. hmmm

I guess they don't "hate us for our freedoms" after all.

They hate us because we anally rape their children in front of them. Now there's a phrase I'd like to hear in a state of the union speech!


-90% Jimmy

[orleans]

18. don't hold your breath on that one. conyers can't even get yoo to

give a straight answer about whether or not he had fucking pancakes for breakfast. what a wormy little dickhead. (not conyers)

[defendandprotect]

19. Did you see any of the Hearings --- ? C-span repeated it last night and

I watched a good bit ---

Here we are looking fascism in the face --- Addington and Yoo --

look like ordinary human beings, don't they?

Addington -- like Cheney --- is defiant -- and I think underneath hiding great anger/

rage that he would be called to account.

Yoo was super cautious trying not to answer anything --- not so confident or dumb as

to show anger.

I think Addington VERY deep in the torture picture --- "hands on" --- ???


Re Randi ---


Yeah ....there was just a HINT that something like that had gone on --

probably a lot!

We've heard this before ... torturing and rape of children . . .

I missed Randi a lot this week --- I listen to her on internet.

What did Randi say --- ??


PS: I think she's a lot better now that she's back in Florida --- more relaxed . . . ???

[libnnc]

22. kick so I can find it for later

and R

[libnnc]

26. listening to Randi talking about this now

:kick:

[mmonk]

23. That's correct.

Despite churches on every corner in the US, we are essentially barbaric.

[readmoreoften]

25. This was popular in the Latin American operations in the 1980s

particularly big in Guatemala

[riverdeep]

34. Yes, and we trained them.

School of the Americas. Where all the best dictators got their start.

[readmoreoften]

40. Oh yeah. Still training 'em in fact.

[Hydra]

28. I heard the stories

And a goodly number of people on DU called tinfoil. Something along the lines of "They can't do that!!!"

MK-Ultra proved that they had in the past. There is no reason to give people the benefit of the doubt when they have been guilty before, and unsurprisingly, here they are doing it again.

Congrats to the naysayers- you successfully carried water for Bush for 6 years. How does it feel?

[libnnc]

29. kick

[Mnemosyne]

32. I'm waiting for the reports of the secret 'tribunals' and executions.

And you know it's coming...

I have been a "tinfoiler" since the info on MK-ULTRA came out in the seventies. I've been insulted and ridiculed, sometimes on DU. When I posted that my mail was being screwed with in 2005, I was laughed at for that too.

I hate ending up being right about such things.

I doubt there is anything we could ever learn of that would be able to surprise me about our "gov" ever again.

Truly evil people.

[Hydra]

35. "They can't mess with your mail- it's against the law!"

You and I know better, though. Everybody else does too now, since Bush was nice enough to make a signing statement to that effect.

And as to being right, I know EXACTLY what you mean. I'm getting sick of being right all of the time regarding what the gov't is doing. I wish I were wrong.

Strange ass world out there when you look beyond the lies, isn't it?

[Mnemosyne]

38. I hear ya' Hydra! The mail attack went on for several months.

And they taped it shut when done, that's how I knew. No one I've talked to ever gets several pieces of mail taped shut in A WEEK, much less for months!

It is definitely a mad bizarro world. Ignorance is only bliss until it isn't.

I still would rather know than end up blind-sided as 95% of the country will be in the near future.

My heart weeps for the suffering to come.

[Hydra]

39. You can't save everyone

The elite have thrown the dice on the ultimate game of kill or be killed. Will their planning and unlimited resources win the day, or will their status as less than top-notch survivors put them on the wrong end of the mass graves?

It's going to be exciting to see the result of the dice roll. In fact, lets get a random roll, shall we?

2d6- high, we win, low they do

http://www.random.org/dice/

rolled a 5 + 2 = 7

Dead even. Isn't that just perfect?

[Octafish]

33. These evil people think it's OK to crush a child's testicles.

That's what they told Congress.

http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dhz01hN9l-BM

Things they did in Abu Ghraib have yet to see the light of day.

[Hydra]

36. And yet so many people gleefully piled on Lyndie England

Never seeing her for what she was- a scapegoat.

As one person pointed out, torture is proven, and the only people nailed for it are 2 women? Pahleeze!

[riverdeep]

37. It wil all come out, someday.

And the American people will say either "Yeah, so. This is war." or "We never knew." Where have we heard the last one before. The reality is whenever the terrible slime oozes into public consciousness, the public turns its head until the damage controllers safely contain it again.