To the 57% of Catholics who "support" John W McBush

[SoCalDem]

I understand that his supposed determination to make abortion illegal, is appealing to the pope's line of thinking..

BUT..

Mc Cain is against so much more that Catholics used to/should believe in

He DUMPED his injured wife because she was not "pretty" enough....but he stayed married to her while he adultered his brains out with anything in a skirt, until he bagged a rich young blonde one.. Then he bailed on his wife officially..and their kids..

he apparently has NO real "relationship" with god..just a phonied up one at election time...except for the time when he actually railed AGAINST evangelical faith.

He's always uncomfortable even talking (in that glorious ole-timey singsong of his) about faith..anyone's faith.

I'd be wiling to bet that ole Johnny-boy even paid for an abortion or two in his day..Skirt chasers in his era often had to pony up some cash for an illegal back-alley abortion.

In my life I have known 3 women who had abortions (all illegal ones)..all three? Catholic..

So when Catholics line up to support McBush because he claims to worship a zygote ( like some of them do), and votes against children's health care, or child care for working Moms or unemployment benefits for laid off parents, they are deluding themselves into thinking that this AMORAL. adulterous, divorced, crook (google Keating 5) is worthy of their vote..but hey.. do whatever you want, but don't blubber when only the "pre-born" children get any consideration..and only when an election is near.

Republicans care about money & big business & getting elected.. That's IT!

[anonymous171]

1. Catholics should care about social justice than stupid wedge issues.

[JerseygirlCT]

3. I surely would like to see Catholics

taking more notice of social justice concerns instead of looking soley at abortion.

I understand a personal objection to abortion; I really don't think I could have one. BUT, I don't understand the need to control others' lives and choices. That's not really a Catholic way to look at it - a person's personal decisions are between them and God.

Meanwhile, the poor get poorer, the hungry go ever more hungry, we're entrenched in an immoral, bloody war in Iraq, all around the world people are enslaved, tortured, killed and suffering. Yet the big issue to the RC hierarchy is a private medical decision a woman may need to make at some point?

[Thothmes]

6. They are not to hot for capital punishment either.

[JerseygirlCT]

7. That's right. I'd forgotten to include that

I wasn't raised to be all steamed about abortion. It became something of an issue by the time I was in HS - as far as encouraging us kids to work against legal abortion. But stronger by far was the idea that social justice was key to our faith.

[midnight]

8. Not only should Catholics, but all religions. Come on

people of faith let's not be tricked again.

[anonymous171]

10. Agreed. Not this time. nt

[malaise]

9. Anyone who votes to obey some rich foreign religious leader

rather than on behalf of their children and grandchildren is brainwashed.
You cannot look on this mess that is four more years of Bush and vote to suit a church. At some point, the preservation of a country and rights for children and grandchildren must supersede religious belief.

[deaniac21]

11. So the German's are still alright?

[malaise]

17. Not at all but clearly the Germans, just like the Pope

and many Catholics, had no problem with Hitler's atrocities. US Catholics cannot in good conscience vote for a third Bush term over issues like a woman's right to do decide whether she can have an abortion while turning a blind eye to the atrocities of this administration.

Gr.

[dsc]

2. His womanizing would have been the late 1970's early 1980's

when abortion was legal.

[SoCalDem]

5. He was a grown man in the mid 50's

You think he "saved himself" for marriage? :rofl:

"McCain graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1958 and became a naval aviator, flying ground-attack aircraft from aircraft carriers.

[loveable liberal]

4. Yes, where have our Catholic friends gone...

I was reading in Mother Jones that Hillary associated with right wing senators with regards to religion. Not that there is anything wrong with that. The gist of the article was more that churches have now been preaching that its more important to treat the soul than the person; meaning what happens in life is not as important as what happens in the afterlife. Hence, suffering while alive is justified and acceptable.

I think this has to do with Bushs Faith Based Initiative. Religious organizations (Christians) are getting money and they like that they have the power and control over that money and who gets it. Doesnt trickle down to atheists, agnostics or muslims thats for sure.

[jody]

12. I want to use your 57% stat. Do you have a source? Thanks.

:hi:

[SoCalDem]

18. Ugh.. I looked and could not find it.. A talking head on Keith's show mentioned the number

:(..I'll keep looking :)

[jody]

19. Thanks, the Gallup poll below reports Obama 47% versus McCain 43% for Catholics.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108382/Obama-Holds-Slim-Advantage-Over-McCain-Among-Catholics.aspx

[bunkerbuster1]

13. Unfortunately, Pope Ratzi's seen to it that supporting abortion rights trumps most everything.

The way I understand it, the RCC doesn't approve of pre-emptive war and the death penalty, but you aren't to be denied communion for going against the church on those issues.

Legalized abortion on the other hand--the RCC has ok'd having individual churches deny communion to politicians who are for it (no matter their professed personal feelings about abortion's sinfulness.)

Ratzi saw to this loophole-you-can-drive-a-truck through back in 2004, back when he was still a Cardinal.

Too lazy to google it, but you can look it up.

anyway, that's probably to blame for a good chunk of McStain's 57% in that demographic. sucks, but short of a brain transplant for the Holy Father...

[EFerrari]

14. Obama Holds Slim Advantage Over McCain Among Catholics

Obama Holds Slim Advantage Over McCain Among Catholics
Hispanic Catholics tip group in Obama’s favor

by Jeffrey M. Jones

PRINCETON, NJ -- Among major U.S. religious groups, Catholic voters are most closely divided in their presidential voting preferences, with Barack Obama holding a narrow 47% to 43% advantage over John McCain. McCain leads Obama among Protestants (48% to 41%) and Mormons (70% to 23%) while Obama holds the upper hand among Jewish voters (62% to 29%) and those with no religious affiliation (65% to 25%).

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108382/Obama-Holds-Slim-Advantage-Over-McCain-Among-Catholics.aspx

[Disturbed]

15. John McCain embraces GW Bush & his failed policies.

The short list

Iraq,

Top end tax cuts

Privatization of Social Security

Unraveling employer based health care,

Cuban embargo.

Illegal Spying on Americans

Busholini Policy of Torture

Veto of new GI Bill

Offshore oil drilling

Denying Habeous Corpus

[mrs_p]

16. i don't think it is abortion (alone)

that has turned many catholics republican and/or conservative. many catholics are affluent now and care more about their finances than they do about the gospel. speaking as someone who was raised in the catholic church, went to catholic schools, and even joined a convent, i can tell you that abortion is not the main issue that impassions many folks - it is the US dollar - just like every other group in america. ain't assimilation grand?