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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:13 AM
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Thomas Friedman: The U.S. is in Decline
Edited on Sun Jun-29-08 08:21 AM by marmar
But I guess this boob fails to see how the neoliberal koolaid he so loves aided this decline? :think:




from the NY Times:


Anxious in America

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: June 29, 2008


Just a few months ago, the consensus view was that Barack Obama would need to choose a hard-core national-security type as his vice presidential running mate to compensate for his lack of foreign policy experience and that John McCain would need a running mate who was young and sprightly to compensate for his age. Come August, though, I predict both men will be looking for a financial wizard as their running mates to help them steer America out of what could become a serious economic tailspin.

I do not believe nation-building in Iraq is going to be the issue come November — whether things get better there or worse. If they get better, we’ll ignore Iraq more; if they get worse, the next president will be under pressure to get out quicker. I think nation-building in America is going to be the issue.

It’s the state of America now that is the most gripping source of anxiety for Americans, not Al Qaeda or Iraq. Anyone who thinks they are going to win this election playing the Iraq or the terrorism card — one way or another — is, in my view, seriously deluded. Things have changed.

Up to now, the economic crisis we’ve been in has been largely a credit crisis in the capital markets, while consumer spending has kept reasonably steady, as have manufacturing and exports. But with banks still reluctant to lend even to healthy businesses, fuel and food prices soaring and home prices declining, this is starting to affect consumers, shrinking their wallets and crimping spending. Unemployment is already creeping up and manufacturing creeping down.

The straws in the wind are hard to ignore: If you visit any car dealership in America today you will see row after row of unsold S.U.V.’s. And if you own a gas guzzler already, good luck. On Thursday, The Palm Beach Post ran an article on your S.U.V. options: “Continue to spend upward of $100 for a fill-up. Sell or trade in the vehicle for a fraction of the original cost. Or hold out and park the truck in the driveway for occasional use in hopes the market will turn around.” Just be glad you don’t own a bus. Montgomery County, Md., where I live, just announced that more children were going to have to walk to school next year to save money on bus fuel.

On top of it all, our bank crisis is not over. Two weeks ago, Goldman Sachs analysts said that U.S. banks may need another $65 billion to cover more write-downs of bad mortgage-related instruments and potential new losses if consumer loans start to buckle. Since President Bush came to office, our national savings have gone from 6 percent of gross domestic product to 1 percent, and consumer debt has climbed from $8 trillion to $14 trillion.

My fellow Americans: We are a country in debt and in decline — not terminal, not irreversible, but in decline. Our political system seems incapable of producing long-range answers to big problems or big opportunities. We are the ones who need a better-functioning democracy — more than the Iraqis and Afghans. We are the ones in need of nation-building. It is our political system that is not working. .......(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/opinion/29friedman.html?hp



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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:15 AM
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1. "This is all our fault. We accept full responsibility." - Republicons on Truth Serum
Edited on Sun Jun-29-08 08:15 AM by SpiralHawk
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:17 AM
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2. Well, if Thomas Friedman said it then it must be true. Barf ......
No one word that Friedman writes can be trusted. Not one word.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:19 AM
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5. But he's right at least on the point that the U.S. is in decline.....
.... Even the blindest of the blind can see that now.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:17 AM
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3. Maybe he's preparing us for "shock" therapy.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:18 AM
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4. Yeah, thanks to your dipshit free market policies
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:21 AM
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6. 34 year low? Interesting, Republicans have been president
for 22 of those 34 years. I would say we're more likely at a 28 year low with Republicans as president for 20 of those years.

But, we really do need a multi-trillion plan to rebuild our nation's infrastructure. Yes, trillion with a T.

It's only since Reagan became president that we've lost our will towards big national level projects.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:00 AM
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20. The GOP believes that government doesn't work, and every time they are elected, they prove it
I think that is a paraphrase of someone's quote.
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:21 AM
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7. Who is this "we" he speaks of?
You want me to believe you and I have anything in common in this economy, Mr. Friedman?

I see a way for my economic level of "we" and all those who desperately need help in this country to improve ... vastly improve from where you and your friends have been leading us.

I see a lot of HOPE coming our way, Mr. Friedman, and I bet that scares the pants off of you and yours ....

I guess you got the memo?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3536064

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:22 AM
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8. We can't afford Iraq, we never could. George Bush has driven us to the economic brink.
What an idiot.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:22 AM
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9. Can we have a Moratorium on Captain Obvious columns.
We're in decline
Gas prices are high
Economy is in the crapper.

Good lord, it is as if these "reporters"/"intellectuals" woke up yesterday and realized that their relevance is lacking.

Friedman, you're a hack. You were a hack, you are a hack, and you will ever be a hack. Just STFU for a while and count your millions, you little cretin.

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summer borealis Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:40 AM
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17. Exactly
... Friedman's probably just now working on bomb-Iran columns.
The press is brain-dead.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:34 AM
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25. He sure is.
Funny that he didn't mention something like "we have a six-month window of opportunity to turn things around" - as he never fails to mentions with regard to Iraq.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:29 AM
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10. And the fact that the bushes, neocons and republicans have been in charge
of this failing economy for the last five years and that trickle down policies have been and still are controlling this economy has nothing to do with the decline of America. It's just a coincidence that the Great Depression happened after very similar circumstances. How long can these irresponsible liars keep deluding themselves and the public?
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:31 AM
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11. funny how tom 'give war a chance' freidman was all about nation building in iraq in 2003.
Edited on Sun Jun-29-08 08:32 AM by KG
and how he proclaimed what a great thing a flat earth was. his amnesia is amusing.

actually, it isn't.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:33 AM
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14. but hey... they are selling more cocacola in India
wasn't that one of his idiotic ruminations about how outsourcing and globalization was good?

He is an idiot.

BTW, :hi:
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:41 AM
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18. i've noticed that some pundits don't mind outsourcing other peoples jobs
:hi: your ownself! :)
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captainmorgan Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:31 AM
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12. And the Pope is Catholic
Duh.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:33 AM
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13. While I am not a well-known columnist,
I've been saying for some years now that this country has been in decline for about a generation.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:36 AM
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15. I wish Tom would have to actually work for a living.
He'd find out PDQ what the world is really like.

"The straws in the wind are hard to ignore: If you visit any car dealership in America today you will see row after row of unsold S.U.V.’s. And if you own a gas guzzler already, good luck."

Friedman takes after his wife's ... money.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:38 AM
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16. Well Gaaaaaw-lee, Mr. Friedman
Why didn't telling the Iraqis to Suck. On. This. work out so well? You say "our political system seems incapable of producing long-range answers." Is that because major voices in the media - such as (inexplicably) yours - seem incapable of producing a thought that doesn't express your own immediate gratification or titillation? Like the idea that we can launch two elective wars of aggression AND cut taxes on the wealthiest persons - like you and your media cohorts?

The coining of the term Friedman Unit, the next six months when everything would magically come together though the means were never quite explained, has been your greatest triumph over the last decade, Mr. Friedman. The Friedman Unit is commonly abbreviated FU. Now you finally realize where the ruinous policies you've been so triumphantly trumpeting have been leading us. Well, Mr. Friedman, FU.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:53 AM
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19. I think we've been thru, at a minimum, 6 Friedman Units (3 years) on the
Iraq Occupation. Probably more. Nice to see Tom's caught up with everyone else on the declining economy. It gives
me such faith in our pundits when they're in the caboose on everything.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:20 AM
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23. Yes, he's made a living from predicting
What just happened.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:05 AM
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21. I'll have a better feel for what shape the country is in...
in another 6 months.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:18 AM
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22. Something's off here
Where's the cab driver in Bangalore? The baggage handler in Kuala Lumpur? Where's the unwitting workaday sage who tosses off a hackneyed phrase ("The playing field is being levelled") that ferments and burbles in the back of Tommy's 40-watt brain for a month before the epiphany explosion (MY GOD, HE'S SAYING THE EARTH IS FLAT!) splatters us with Unsufferable Friedman's Meme of the Month?

Clearly, this is an imposter. Tommy's ouevre exists in the space between his hotel room and the airport. I see nary a mention of luggage, laptops, or limousines.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:22 AM
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24. So much for the world being flat.
:shrug:
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:37 AM
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26. Not that the man on the wedding cake actually relates or cares about thee and thine. . .
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 10:16 AM
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27. The crrokd currently in power will make sure that "Terra" is issue #1 come November.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 10:35 AM
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28. Hilarious. So the next is election is going to be about the state of the US economy--
Edited on Sun Jun-29-08 10:38 AM by Marr
not the actual policies that are responsible for the state of the US economy. The ideas Mr. Friedman has been selling for over a decade are what got us to this point.

Step one on the road to fixing this country is to stop listening to people like Tom Friedman. Step two is to take a step back and recognize that all their starry-eyed con games have really amounted to nothing more than excuses for the rich to loot the nation.
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