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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:16 AM
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Is there ANY truth to this article?
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/416.html

In 1958, Cleon Skoussen, former FBI agent, revealed in his book, THE NAKED COMMUNIST, the long term goals of the communist agenda. This information is also contained not only in the Congressional Record (August 1963), but also in the Communist Manifesto itself. For the sake of brevity, only a few of those goals are listed here:


(link goes to the 27 points)

I smell a vermicular life form; it doesn't add up. Especially when some points have come and gone, and others aren't quite pertinent to communism as I understand it to be.


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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:18 AM
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1. Sounds more like the goal of neoliberal corporate fascists to me.....
..... which I guess in a way is very similar to communism, just extreme in the other direction.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:28 AM
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2. The 27 points were drafted to appease the extreme right and the John Birch Society membership
...and it still works with those people even today.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:29 AM
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3. Hint: what communists?
The USSR collapsed quite a while ago, the Chinese went corporate/fascist, and there is no international marxist-leninist communist movement other than in the demented senile brains of the far right. This book, from the cold war mccarthy john birch society era, is idiocy. The fact that the google brings up a cornucopia of rightwing lunacy would be your second hint.

Here is your third hint: If the dreaded commies were for clean air and water would that make environmentalism a commie plot?

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:31 AM
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4. Actually, I nicked the URL from freerepublic.
I found that person and those responding to him to be rather less interesting...
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:36 AM
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5. In fact, it has expanded to 45 specific communist goals today
...forever vigilant aren't they.

<snip>
45 Goals of Communism
Posted by Cajun Maverick on Friday, February 29, 2008 3:49:30 PM


In 1963, Congress included an except from the book The Naked Communist into its record to alert America the dangers of Communism in America. In 2008, we are once again in danger of Communism taking over our country. We have Hillary Clinton pushing socialized medicine, and Barack Hussein Obama trying to tax us to give to the poor.

The Communists, though, are not trying to take over America through a conventional war. Instead, Communism is infiltrating our country through societal and idealogical means. Let us look at the goals of Communism as entered into the Congressional record. As you read these, think of which ones have already taken place and which ones are not far from being implemented. Pay attention to the ones that are in bold.
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand .

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use <">united force<"> to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.

http://cajunmaverick.blogtownhall.com/2008/02/29/45_goals_of_communism.thtml

*WARNING: extreme freeper site
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:51 AM
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6. 22 and 23 HA!
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

#22:
Discrediting American culture? In whose eyes? I mean, we don't really care what other people think about our culture do we??????

Maybe they are talking about discrediting our culture in front of Jehovah....who, ya know, hates anything abstract or pattern oriented..... I'm so confused, WTF does that even mean?

By definition if they are concrete forms they can't be shapeless....

I don't know what awkward means in this context.

Meaningless? By contrast, what meaning does paint on canvas have? For that matter, what meaning does a bronze replica of a human being have? Are they talking about content?

#23:
Yeah all the art critics and museum directors I know are egg-headed liberal communists....Even the one who keeps voting for every mouth-breathing, no-neck, knuckle-dragging Republican dumbass that sashays by.

"...to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art." To what end? To make people unhappy? To make them confused? To make them shout in unison: "Oh My God!!! I'm think I'm going to vomit.....out of my EYES!!!!" and that's when the Communists swoop in and take over???

Man, no wonder Communism failed. I don't think they thought through their cunning plan. These are some dumb motherfuckers.....

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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 10:13 AM
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7. Warning, don't take any of this too seriously, I doubt if any communists actually
...sat down and wrote out any of these so called communist goals. It is noting more then right wing propaganda
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 02:39 PM
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8. Ummm, didn't....but playing with the idea is fun anyway....n/t
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:02 PM
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12. Created by right-wingers for the gullible
http://www.snopes.com/language/document/commrule.asp

Looks like the list just keeps getting expanded to include more stuff that right-wingers hate.


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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 02:54 PM
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9. "Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as normal, natural and healthy."
Yeah because Communist never kill GLBT folk - never mind how much Hitler loved GLBT people - he even gave them their own place to live...

Right wing garbage...
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 04:31 PM
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10. When I did a Google search
it showed up at "Stormfront" (a pro-Nazi website). No surprise there.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:02 PM
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11.  In bold no less: permit free trade between all nations regardless of communist affiliation
Yes, that's right. Marx's goal was to open up the FREE MARKETS between NATIONS. He nailed that one. :rofl:
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:30 PM
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13. You smell differently.
One serious problem is that people often define a group they're not part of in their own terms, and don't see the borders that are relevant to those in the group.

So "communists" to Skousen was a fairly undifferentiated mass of people who called themselves Communists--some Soviet and Stalinist, some who didn't like Stalin but liked communism (however they defined it), some of whom were communists but had other goals as well. Some were communists because they were anti-establishment, whatever the 'establishment' was. To those in the movement, the differences would be clear; to Skousen, things had to be defined in his own terms, the borders between his group and "communists" clear.

Moreover, "communism" has shifted its meaning more than a bit, and not always in the same direction. Take the Soviet use of the term: they were building "sotsializm", called themselves a "socialist" republic, but defined their ideology as "communism" and themselves as communists. Communists that were committed to socialism? The key to understanding isn't just comparing the word that's used against your definition; the key is to take that comparison, identify when the word isn't used the same way, and determine the meaning the other person's using. Words have no "right" meaning when used in a context, as long as they're consistent--that confuses a personal need for prescriptivism with the need for communication. When you're conversing, you can cheerfully debate terms, but again--the purpose of the exercise is to settle on consistent definitions. It's an on-going process, either way, because it's important to spot when a writer or speaker shifts the meanings of his terms ... that way there be fallacies.

Also some of the points don't mean what you'd think they'd mean. Take this one, for instance: "Permit free trade between all nations regardless of communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war."

This isn't what we'd call "free trade" today--there's overlap. But many socialist countries at the time had a deficit in certain goods, and didn't have access to technology to make them. The Soviets had a very active reverse engineering program. At times, they seriously did not want trade: It was more important to eschew the enemy (at such times, Skousen's point is in error). At other times, they desparately wanted trade: It would help their economy immensely, and that would eventually hurt the anti-communist bloc. The US had the opposite view, until the '70s, when it was newly believed that tade would "open up" the Soviet economy, allowing all kinds of influence in that would subvert, instead, the communists. To some extent it worked; however, Russians had been told that they had it better than everybody else, Soviet technology was all home-grown and the pinnacle of human achievement. When VCRs were imported (mostly by the few that travelled to the West), this assertion was undermined. Had the assertion not been so well maintained, who knows? The same argument--trade entails liberalization--is applied to Cuba, but Cubans *know* they're not at the pinnacle of human technological well-being. With China the argument was employed, but they're like Cuba in that crucial respect; and instead of just importing, they did what the USSR did, but with a twist--instead of manufacturing just knockoffs that were reverse engineered, they started taking jobs and manufacturing the real things (no reverse engineering needed). They saw what happened to the USSR (in this respect), and managed to make our sluggishness to revise our thinking work in their favor.

Most of the points are true for any group that wishes to reinvent the political and economic culture, and aren't unique to "communism". "Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents" is common enough here, as regards "knuckledraggers", and you see some screams of "witch, witch!" when homeschooling comes up.
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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 10:47 PM
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14. Lol. Looks like RNC fundraising letter
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 10:58 PM
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15. the Soviets had almost nothing to do with "communism"
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