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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:00 PM
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Poll question: Who is the most politically radical artist?
Edited on Sun Jun-29-08 05:04 PM by ColbertWatcher
This is the third in an unintentional series of poll questions on dissent and protest. Poll question #1, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3535282&mesg_id=3535282">Poll question #2

Today's question: Who is the most politically radical artist?
Use whatever criteria you wish. Here is a quote to inspire you:

What do you think an artist is? An imbecile who has only eyes
if he is a painter, or ears if he is a musician, or a lyre in every
chamber of his heart if he is a poet, or even, if he is a boxer,
just his muscles? Far from it: at the same time, he is also a
political being, constantly aware of the heartbreaking, passionate,
delightful things that happen in the world, shaping himself completely
in their image. How could it be possible to feel no interest in other
people, and with a cool indifference to detach yourself from the very
life which they bring to you so abundantly? No, painting is not done
to decorate apartments. It is an instrument of war. http://tarakrause.com/BPW.html">--Pablo Picasso


Anyone familiar with my poll questions know I forget lesser known choices, so, please choose "Other" to indicate which one I forgot, and post their name in reply.

Thank you.

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If you are not familiar with all the people, please review the links before voting.

Pablo Picasso (1881-1973) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Picasso)

Georgia O'Keeffe (1887-1986) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_O%27Keeffe)

Paul Robeson (1898-1976) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robeson)

George Orwell (1903-1950) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell)

Joséphine Baker (1906-1975) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Baker)

Pete Seeger (1919- ) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Seeger)

John Lennon (1940-1980) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lennon)

Joan Baez (1941- ) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Baez)
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:02 PM
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1. john lennon...he was rallying people for peace...bringing us together...that's why he's dead. n/t
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:04 PM
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2. Orwell was a socialist. I don't know about the others so I picked him.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:06 PM
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3. El Panzon (Diego Rivera)





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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:08 PM
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5. I was going to put him in...
...since I was watching "Cradle Will Rock" when I came up with this question.

But, I decided on Picasso instead based on that quote.

Thank you for adding him, though.

His paintings are tremendous.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 11:33 PM
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72. El esposo de Frida...
Puso en la pared la verdad.



Guatemala, 1954
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 11:39 PM
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73. Detail on bomb.
Edited on Sun Jun-29-08 11:45 PM by Octafish
Rivera put Ike's face on the bomb that made the coup possible.



Dulles is seen shaking hands with the lackey CIA found to lead the "revolution" that overthrew the democratic, reform-minded government.

The suffering of millions in Guatemala, for profit and power.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:07 PM
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4. Jello Biafra.
Most political music sucks, but his was actually enjoyable and funny.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:09 PM
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6. Just out of curiosity...
...do you have any links to songs of his that you recommend?
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:29 PM
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43. Anything by the Dead Kennedys and then his spoken word albums.
The older the Dead Kennedies the better.

Holiday in Cambodia
Nazi Punks Fuck Off
Mtv Get off the Air

All 80s stuff
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That Is Quite Enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:43 PM
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19. Solo career, with the Dead Kennedys, or both/either?
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:46 PM
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23. Can you recommend any links for both? n/t
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That Is Quite Enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:53 PM
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28. I haven't really followed his solo career, but I can post some DK links.
Edited on Sun Jun-29-08 05:54 PM by Snicker-snack
*Fucked up the links, but they're better now*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcjzoydyQIY&feature=related Holiday in Cambodia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpa7wEAz7I&feature=related Kill the Poor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFfdmPVxKd0&feature=related Nazi Punks Fuck Off

(The first one is just a picture with the song. Second and third ones are slideshows, I think.)

Those are just a couple of their songs. And know that a lot of their songs are satire, so don't get pissed off over Kill the Poor.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:28 PM
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42. Both...here's some stuff post Dead Kennedys.
WAR PIMP RENAISSANCE - Jello w/Ministry (LARD)

Yippee tai-yai-yai-yo!
Evil commie empire's gone
Yippee tai-yai-yai-yay!
Now we're the only one

Let there be peace on Earth
What ever gave you that idea
Economy depends on guns
We'll have an arms race with ourselves

March!
March!
Forward to the caves!

General who's never been to war
Is like a rapist who's never been laid
Like shootin' fish in a barrel
Inner child must be fed

Deep-fry a quarter million ragheads
Into crispy Eagle Snacks
Pure chewing satisfaction
Pure chewing satisfaction

March!
March!
Ah-Ha-Ha

Question ain't, "Who killed JFK?"
But, where are they now?

Who's a-gonna buy our missiles?
Who's a-gonna buy our guns?
Everyone on the whole damned planet
We'll throw in free land mines

Starve the Russians 'til a nut takes over
Put the Arms Race back on boil
As the world's population's exploding
Wars for water, not oil

Too damn many people already
Clutter land we could use for golf
Egg 'em on to bloodbaths like Rwanda
Help 'em eat each other alive

Praise God
We brought the rapture on
Hey, wait for me...
---

Will The Fetus Be Aborted? w/Mojo Nixon

Peggy Sue
Got pregnant
And was addicted to fifteen drugs
She went down
To the abortion clinic
And was accosted
By right wing thugs

Oh will the fetus
Be aborted
By and by Lord
By and by
There's a better
Home awaiting
In the sky Lord
In the sky

Little Mary
Was just eleven
And she was raped
By her own dad
Danny Quayle said
Have that baby
But another choice
She had

Oh will the fetus
Be aborted
By and by Lord
By and by
There's a better
Home awaiting
In the sky Lord
In the sky

Annie's pregnancy
Would kill her
Doctor's warning
Gave her strife
Fundamentalists
Said Jesus take her
She said, I want
My right to life

Oh will the fetus
Be aborted
By and by Lord
By and by
There's a better
Home awaiting
In the sky Lord
In the sky

Kathy had two
Kids already
And an abortion
Is what she chose
Christian showed her
A bloody fetus
She said That's fine
I'll have one of those.

Oh will the fetus
Be aborted
By and by Lord
By and by
There's a better
Home awaiting
In the sky Lord
In the sky

Tanya lived for
Revolution
Wanted to overthrow
The state
She had fifteen
Commie babies
Phylis Schlafly
Ain't that great?

Or will the fetus
Be aborted...

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Jesus Was A Terrorist w/Nomeansno

Jesus was a terrorist
Enemy of the state
That's what the Romans labeled him
So he was put to death
He died for his beliefs
What's changed today?

Today bible-thumping cannibals
Reap money from his name
Buy cable networks & power
With old ladies' checks

If Jesus saw Pat Robertson
What do you think he'd say?

Tax-free they re-write our laws
And sick 'em on you
Women don't control their bodies
TV preachers do

Censor everything from bathing suits
To science books
From the schoolroom to the bedroom
They want our thoughts - or else

They treat us like the Romans
Used to treat the Christians
Even some churchgoing folks are scared

Modern catacombs of fear
Built with money, power and threats
Rock'n'roll is labeled porn
Sell a record, you're under arrest

Instead of fighting AIDS
They try to stop us having sex
They brag that they won't quit
Til they take dominion over our lives

Is freedom of speech such a terrorist act
Is spiritual peace such a satanic threat
Believe what you want
But we'll fight to keep
Out heads from being cemented in your sand.
---

Here's a short speech he gave at a peace rally for Democracy Now and Amy Goodman in 2002
http://www.democracynow.org/2002/9/9/jello_biafra_speaks_at_peace_rally

---

Transcript of his spoken word bit "If Voting Changed Anything".
http://hackvan.com/pub/stig/rants/biafra--if-voting-changed-anything

---

Die For Oil Suckers! (spoken word performance, 2007)
http://jellobiafra.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=47&Itemid=65
---

His last two CDs with the Melvins were all out attacks on Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, etc, with songs like Caped Crusader (based on words by Ashcroft and Muhammad Atta, and Jello asks us readers to spot the difference), Islamic Bomb, and The Lighter Side of Global Terrorism. All great stuff.

---
And finally, the Jello Pledge

I pledge defiance to the flag of the United Snakes of Captivity

And to the Republic for which it stands, I dip it in kerosene, and stick it up the ass of you know who and light it

One nation, under God--or else

One nation, under psychopath Pentagon gangsters, whose idea of democracy is concentration camps for the people who go and use the drugs that the government supplies themselves

One nation, under Wall Street:

If the cops and the President are all criminals, I might as well be one too, ha ha!

One Nation of tabloid robots who actually believe what they see on tv, but when ask about it say “I don’t care.”

One nation, drowning in its own garbage

Indivisible from the from the fall of Rome

With liberty and justice for all who can afford it


Burn, Baby, Burn

Old Glory

The Yankee Swastika

Burn, Baby, Burn

Burn, Baby, Burn

Whenever I see you I see red

Whenever I see you I see red

If the Communists can do it, why can’t we

Throw the bastards out and try some real Democracy

Not by rich people

Not by Army people

Not by sons of senators sons of senators sons of senators sons

After all, have you noticed

The more they dole out Democracy over there

The more they take it away over here

Now, before it’s too late

Be a good boyscout

Take the Swastika

The Yankee Swastika

and let it

Burn

Burn

Burn, baby Burn
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:26 PM
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56. my first thought too
he is still at it after all these years
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:11 PM
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7. Zach DE La Rocha
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:16 PM
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8. Not to sound McCain old or anything...
...but who is he? And what are some of his more famous works?
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:33 PM
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14. Rage Against the Machine
"Killing in the Name Of" etc.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:45 PM
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21. Do you have any Youtube links you could recommend? n/t
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:53 PM
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26. I think this is from 1994
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:03 PM
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31. lil bit later video (late 90s I think)
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:14 PM
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35. Wow, this one was directed by Michael Moore in 2006. They forced wall street to shut down.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:52 PM
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50. Awesome.
Kinda reminds me of U2's Where The Streets Have No Name, but with a better outcome!

Thank you, I think I like that one.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:02 PM
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54. Yeah RATM cheers me up because I think, wow, if you let all those angry young folks
into the street... if it wasn't a concert but a parade... and say the parade was through wall street or even better wherever the hell it is that Republicans live. And say other bands like RATM did the same... we might be able to stop the next war.

And I'll tell ya--hell if I can think of any other way to stop it.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:15 PM
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37. Which of their songs would you say...
...is their best?

Pick one.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:26 PM
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39. I'd say I like the song Bulls on Parade the best and the video is most militant
But the Michael Moore directed one is great because it has real people shutting down wall street including headbanging stock brokers

I'm sentimentally partial to Freedom because it's the first time I ever saw anything reflecting my politics in the mainstream. I was like--holy fuck there's a whole video about Leonard Peltier and the American Indian Movement on Mtv.

I have to stay that their music doesn't vary all that much. But I don't really care about that. It's kind of like "soundtrack for the revolution"

Even if you don't like the music you can learn from the videos. How many videos can you say that about?
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:40 PM
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45. Let me say you have opened this old fart's eyes. Thank you. n/t
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:47 PM
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47. Awesome! I'm not that young myself.
I just grew up with blue hair, rolling around in the gutter during the early 80s with these malcontents.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:00 PM
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53. Well, if I didn't know anything about them...
...I might have kicked them off my lawn.

But, I'm glad to see the protest song has evolved.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:17 PM
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55. Like I said. Most of that stuff is Reagan, Bush 1, and Clinton Era.
I heard this one on the radio: Ministry (No Guts)
They've been around since the--fuck--late 80s too. At least early 90s. I don't remember.

Greed
Power
Corruption

One thing's for certain
We f**king work for Haliburton
One thing is clear
They're the f**king reason why were here
Who the f**k's in charge?
Cause no one seems to want the job
Haliburton soldiers
Overrun by angry mobs

Our Deaths Our Guts No Glory! No Glory

Greed
Power
Corruption

Blackwater and Bechtel
Taking us down a path to hell
Dying for nothing
Except to make their pockets swell
Mission accomplished
Bush is having fun again
The only thing accomplished
Is making money for his friends

Our Deaths, Our Guts, No Glory! No Glory

Greed
Power
Corruption

The congress, the senate
I guess they just don't get it
An act of war was signed
And no one even read it
The public, the papers
We're on to all your schemes
So's the Army, the Air Force,
The Navy and Marines

Our Deaths Our Guts No Glory! No Glory

Greed
Power
Corruption
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:31 PM
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57. You want radical ?
RATM is radical.

I will post this pic only because this is a artist thread ... They were playing Lollapaluza in 93 and stood on stage for 15 minutes like this in protest of the PMRC.

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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:36 PM
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60. Damn. n/t
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:02 PM
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65. Ya. Took some balls...didn't it ?
pun intended.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:03 PM
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66. LOL!
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:30 PM
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13. Tom Morello (the guy behind him with the guitar) aka The Nightwatchman
http://www.nightwatchmanmusic.com/



Okay, he's not Joan Baez or anything but he's on the street putting his money where his mouth is
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aspergris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:01 PM
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69. I gotta go with RATM too
LOVE RATM. One of the tightest three pieces ever. They also (U2 and The Police had the same talent) were very good at creating interesting 'sonic space' with just 3 instruments. I think Morello at times overdid the whole digital effects thang, but that's a minor criticism.

I was a big Dead Kennedy's fan in High School, but in retrospect much of their work seems a little faded.


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:18 PM
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I say Jean-Christian Bourcart
Jean-Christian Bourcart, "Collateral"





Jean-Christian Bourcart: "Collateral", a series of projections in New York State in 2005. From the artist's website:

I projected photographs of mutilated and dead Iraqis on American houses, supermarkets, churches, and parking lots. I was thinking of this new generation of kids who will be traumatized for life by growing up during wartime. It was a desperate gesture: my personal protest for the lack of interest for the non-american victims. I found the images on the web. Some American soldiers post their own pictures on a website. They would show a cut leg with the caption: “where's da rest of my shit?” Or a blown up head with the caption: “need a hair cut."
I could not help thinking of those images as some kind of restless ghosts that endlessly wander in the intermediate level of the web. I took care of them like a embalmer would; downloading, revamping, printing, rephotographiing, then projecting them as if I was looking for a place where they would rest in peace and at the same time haunt those who pretend not to know what was going on.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:20 PM
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10. Oh, I love that quote.
Jean-Christian Bourcart is a name I am going to have to remember.

Thank you for posting.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:18 PM
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9. Diego Rivera
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:16 PM
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70. Also worth mentioning is Francisco Goya
I always felt Diego Rivera was Goya reincarnated.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:22 PM
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11. All of your choices in the poll, several added by others here, and adding
Edited on Sun Jun-29-08 05:33 PM by Old Crusoe
Caravaggio to the list.

His artistic impulse to use prostitutes and other after-hours folks as models for religious icons in his religious paintings unnerved many of the Church higher-ups and forced a very immediate, intimate and compassionate reassessment of the ministry of Jesus.

- - -

"Given that the church of Santa Maria della Scala in Trastevere was located in one of the poorest quarters of Rome, where the clergy were famous for pastoral care among the working people, Caravaggio might have thought that his unvarnished approach to THE DEATH OF THE VIRGIN would be sympathetically received. His conception of the piece was shockingly simple. ... The trouble was, Caravaggio didn't really do fleshlessness; he did flesh; and in this case, unambiguously dead flesh -- the body, it was said, of a drowned prostitute from the brothel quarter of the Ortaccio, fished out of the Tiber.

"...the Fathers of Santa Maria in Trastevere, horrified by the indecencies, didn't see it that way. The painting came down."

--THE POWER OF ART, "Caravaggio," by Simon Schauma


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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:36 PM
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16. Nice pick...
...Dr. Colbert interviewed Schauma...


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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:39 PM
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18. This Colbert fella -- you just better watch out. He's a rabble-rouser, that one!
I love your list of radical thinkers. Very sound line-up of artists' work to put on young people's bookshelves.

And in many cases, the very thing schools and parents try to censor!

sfexpat here on DU and a handful of other astute folks turned me on to Schauma. I ordered the book and read it as if there was no tomorrow and not much left of today. Caravaggio in particular blew me away.

Great post, ColbertWatcher. Thank you.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:44 PM
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20. I was going to put Dr. Colbert up there, but didn't because...
...he's a part of the establishment.

As everyone knows...








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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:45 PM
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22. LOL!
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:25 PM
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12. I think Banksy is .........
http://www.banksy.co.uk/menu.html



He snuck this fake Abu Graib mannequin into Disneyland ......






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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:35 PM
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15. I love Banksy
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:38 PM
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17. Is Bansky behind that Mickey-Ronald piece? n/t
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:15 PM
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36. A guy whose name I can't remember.
He went to Holland, and actually studied how to make blue and white Delft porcelain.

And then made guns and other totally impractical items out of porcelain.

I love it when the material and the function of the item are totally at odds.

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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:25 PM
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38. Yes . He has done all kinds of stuff.......
Google Banksy and you will see a lot of his work ..... he painted Graffiti Art on the "Fence" separating the Palestinians and Israeli's .... here's one .....




Here's another ....


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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:27 PM
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41. I'm starting to like this guy, thank you for posting. n/t
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:48 PM
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24. Chuggo
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:53 PM
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27. Can you post a little info on this person?
A link perhaps?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:50 PM
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25. I'm pleased to see Georgia O'Keeffe included in your discussion because
so many of her paintings have the charm of suggesting that Time be stopped, or at least slowed, so that human considerations both recent and remote, both momentary and eternal, can be made against the inhumane churning of the night wheels of the Corporate State.

I would consider it a power in her work, even more than a charm. In the visual arts also, 'charm' is power; but I'm granting her even more than that. Her dark green corn or vivid flowers and pale landscapes are fully alive -- but she stops time to make you see them. She asks you to stop being a consumer and start being a person.

And she kicked around for 99 goddam years. Bless her.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 05:58 PM
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29. I put her in there for two major reasons...
...first because she made most of her stuff look like the female part of the anatomy no one talks about.

Of course she said they were only flowers, but we knew better.

And the second she made them as big as a freakin' wall!

How radical is that?

Giant vaginas everywhere!



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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:01 PM
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30. Exactly. They are out-size and stunningly beautiful works.
Charm, power, and the time-stopping components of each apply here, too.

Also I love the name of that ranch -- the Ghost Ranch. Perfect.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:11 PM
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33. Some called her a "Precisionist"...
...her paintings looked like they were made by a machine.

But, no machine could have done what she did.

One of my favorite painters.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:12 PM
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34. I agree with your take, definitely. By a machine? Good god, no way.
If machines could do what O'Keeffe could do, I'd like machines more than I do now.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:05 PM
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32. Jello Biafra, and Harlan Ellison come to mind. Orwell, though, if I had to pick. Lennon, too.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:26 PM
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40. Good ol' Jell.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:36 PM
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44. Robeson
then me. :D



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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:42 PM
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46. Come on SwampRat, you don't have any pictures of artist and citizen, Robeson? n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:48 PM
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48. Will this do?
:shrug:



I think his stint in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade puts him at the top of the list.



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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:51 PM
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49. I mean a SwampRat picture of Citizen Artist. n/t
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:55 PM
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51. Ezra Pound. nt
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 06:58 PM
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52. Come on. Post a little info, please.
Some people might not know who he is or know any of his writings.

At least post your favorite piece.
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:40 PM
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68. A literary great (poet, critic, essayist) and unrepentent fascist
A U.S. citizen, Pound spoke out many times while living in Italy during WWII in favor of Mussolini and fascism, and against the U.S. government. He would have been tried for treason, but he had friends in high places who got him committed to St. Elizabeth's Mental Hospital (in Washington D.C., I think) for over 12 years instead. He returned to Italy in 1958, wholly unrepentant.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 11:53 PM
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77. He was an authoritarian (most of the modernists were)
and you are right about his politics, but his concerns were more about aesthetics than politics.

The River-Merchant's Wife

While my hair was still cut straight across my forehead
I played about the front gate, pulling flowers.
You came by on bamboo stilts, playing horse,
You walked about my seat, playing with blue plums.
And we went on living in the village of Chokan:
Two small people, without dislike or suspicion.
At fourteen I married My Lord you.
I never laughed, being bashful.
Lowering my head, I looked at the wall.
Called to, a thousand times, I never looked back.

At fifteen I stopped scowling,
I desired my dust to be mingled with yours
Forever and forever and forever.
Why should I climb the look out?

At sixteen you departed,
You went into far Ku-to-en, by the river of swirling eddies,
And you have been gone five months.
The monkeys make sorrowful noise overhead.

You dragged your feet when you went out.
By the gate now, the moss is grown, the different mosses,
Too deep to clear them away!
The leaves fall early this autumn, in wind.
The paired butterflies are already yellow with August
Over the grass in the West garden;
They hurt me. I grow older.
If you are coming down through the narrows of the river Kiang,
Please let me know beforehand,
And I will come out to meet you
As far as Cho-fu-Sa.
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T.Ruth2power Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:32 PM
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58. Robeson
You put forth an excellent representation for your poll.

I might lean towards Phil Ochs being in there.

Cheers.
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:34 PM
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59. Hieronymus Bosch (1450 - 1516) early political artist
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:39 PM
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61. Ah yes, the Republican National Convention, or is that...
...a Bush family reunion?

Just kidding, nice pick.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:53 PM
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62. Salvador Dali.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:54 PM
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63. Steve Earle
Edited on Sun Jun-29-08 08:10 PM by alfredo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=A4bCVoMCeYY&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7xBSZq5ZCQU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EG8ZUaLACZ8&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8Af5SahC1DE&feature=related

The below song got him some heat

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ISFNTRaXRiI

Artist: Earle Steve
Song: John Walker's Blues
Album: Jerusalem (great album)

I'm just an American boy raised on MTV
And I've seen all those kids in the soda pop ads
But none of 'em looked like me
So I started lookin' around for a light out of the dim
And the first thing I heard that made sense was the word
Of Mohammed, peace be upon him

chorus:
A shadu la ilaha illa Allah
There is no God but God

If my daddy could see me now – chains around my feet
He don't understand that sometimes a man
Has got to fight for what he believes
And I believe God is great, all praise due to him
And if I should die, I'll rise up to the sky
Just like Jesus, peace be upon him

chorus

We came to fight the Jihad and our hearts were pure and strong
As death filled the air, we all offered up prayers
And prepared for our martyrdom
But Allah had some other plan, some secret not revealed
Now they're draggin' me back with my head in a sack
To the land of the infidel

A shadu la ilaha illa Allah
A shadu la ilaha illa Allah

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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:00 PM
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64. Other Rage Against The Machine
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 08:20 PM
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67. Other: Either Eric Drooker:




Or Mr. Lif:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pzvFYaWej0M
Home of the Brave

Now let's talk about self expression, true expression
Open your minds without question
No doubt, tell me what you're thinking about
Let's try to set aside pride and clout
Can you believe I feel the same exact way you do?
You truly do believe these modern ways have fooled you
Systems exist so we never meet each other
Pretty soon from now that I'll long the word "brother"
And that's true if they see you walking with a crew
If you don't know, that means more than two
I'll tell you what they'll do
They'll pull over, hunt you over
Kick your ass, nightstick to your shoulder
I know it's unjust, as if it wasn't enough
If you try to fight back they're locking your ass up
And Chuck already told you that a cell is hell
But I'm waiting for the phone so I'll sit for a spell
Call the guard, tell him I'm a piece of God
With no beliefs in his streets or his boulevards
I eat, read so my mental is hard
And the heat from my anger just melted the bars
They reach for their guns so I put them to sleep
Break the chains and put the shoes back on my feet
He's on the loose with no discernible scars or marks
Just the mind of Mandela and the heart of Rosa Parks
So I dip, time to see the governor and mayor
Tell them life ain't fair and see if they care
Well they do, but only if they are the heir
So they appear to have a heart and make a flair
But they haven't done shit for us and that's a fact
Their only function is to keep the funny money where it's at
And it causes pain, stress
Ask me if we need a different way of life (yes)

Headline: Bush steals the presidency
He needs the backing of the media what could the remedy be?
The country's headed for recession reminiscent of the Great Depression
Are lives worth a world of power? Easy question
Planes hit the towers and the Pentagon
Killing those the government wasn't dependant on
It's easy to control the scared so they keep us in fear
With their favorite Middle Eastern demon named Bin Laden this year
Bush disguises blood lust as patriotism
Convincing the living to love "Operation Let's Get 'Em"
But when he realized we don't support their attacks
They needed something to distract, hmm, anthrax
This further demonizes Afghanis
So Americans cheer while we kill their innocent families
And what better place to start a war
To build a pipeline to get the oil that they had wanted before
America supported the Taliban
To get Russia out of Afghanistan
That's how they got the arms in
They're in a war against the Northern Alliance
And we can't build a pipeline in hostile environments
Here's what your history books won't show:
You're a dead man for fucking with American dough
They killed several birds with one stone
While you're at home with anti-terrorism up in your dome
But my eyes are wide open and my TV is off
Great, 'cause I save on my electricity cost
And you can wave that piece of shit flag if you dare
But they killed us because we've been killing them for years
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 10:22 PM
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71. I'm sorry to say I've never heard of them...
...until your post.

Thank you for adding them!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 11:41 PM
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74. Robbie Conal creates outstanding work.










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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 03:06 AM
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83. Good stuff.
I think I have seen his work before, but forgot all about it.

Thank you for posting.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 11:45 PM
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75. This is a Richard Wright kind of a question.


Richard Nathaniel Wright (September 4, 1908 – November 28, 1960) was an African-American author of powerful, sometimes controversial novels, short stories and non-fiction. Much of his literature concerned racial themes. His work helped redefine discussions of race relations in America in the mid-20th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wright_(author)

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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 03:03 AM
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82. I have to agree with you; it is a Wright kind of question!
Thank you for posting and including a link so everyone else can read up on this powerful writer.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 11:52 PM
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76. John Heartfield
Risked his life doing anti-hitler montages in Germany under Hitler's reign, eventually had to flee the country. (More serious risk than standing on stage naked for 15 minutes). His work was banned during the Third Reich, and was responsible for the threat of breaking diplomatic relations between Czechoslavakia and Germany.


Whoever Reads Bourgeois Newspapers Becomes Blind and Deaf: Away with These Stultifying Bandages! 1932.


ADOLF THE SUPERMAN: Swallows gold and spouts junk. 1932

In 1939, he had an exhibit in London called "One Man's War against Hitler." After spending his career and risking his life using art as a weapon against the Nazis, England ended up declaring him an enemy and throwing him in an internment camp - for being a German.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 03:02 AM
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81. The only open opposition I have ever heard of...
...to the Nazis in Germany were the White Rose Society, and they weren't really open necessarily.

But, this is shocking.

Thank you for posting.

What a brave man.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 06:34 AM
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84. More about him:
He was drafted in 1914 in the German Army and faked a nervous breakdown when his unit was about to be deployed to the front, and got out. (His brother was booted out of the German army for insubordination.) That was when he was Helmut Herzfeld.

In 1916, Germany went through its own sort of Freedom Fries movement - they had a slogan, "Gott Strafe England" (May God Punish England). That's when he changed his name to sound British, in protest. Makes it all the more tragic that England threw him in a camp for being German.

He did some stuff that was less open, like the White Rose Society. He would have been executed for distributing some of his work within Germany. So he became a street artist - sort of. He printed his work on stickers, and rather than put them up around town himself, he gave them to small toddlers, because they love stickers. They would run around town licking the backs of them and slapping them on walls. They were too young to understand what they were doing, so they weren't accused of being traitors if they were caught.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:11 AM
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78. William S. Burroughs
The Revised Boy Scout Manual
http://ce399.typepad.com/weblog/2005/11/the_revised_boy_2.html

NOTES ON WRITING WORLD REVOLUTION

(written March 25, 1970, Paris, France)

GENERAL PLAN:

1) An independent republican or reform party of exemplary behavior and moderation, staying always within the law. Personnel must be at all times above reproach, at least in the initial stages of the operation.

2) A terrorist underground complete with detailed personnel and methods of operation. Post films of underground drilling can be leaked to press. The police can be allowed to capture extensive files taken from a telephone book, and while they drag bewildered citizens from their beds, the underground which consists of a small group of expert saboteurs, can strike somewhere else.

3) A terrorist reich complete with personnel. Any outrage can be attributed to these characters. You can see how this works in present-time Brazil where any murder of underworld figures can be laid to the terrorist police organization. The script is different for every country or area of operation, but its always a one-two-three...

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:44 AM
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79. Bob Marley, Kurt Vonnegut, Lenny Bruce...George Carlin
Edited on Mon Jun-30-08 12:45 AM by G_j
etc. etc.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-01-08 02:10 AM
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85. Lenny Bruce
saddens me no one "gets" him anymore...
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:58 AM
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80. Banksy. n/t
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