Co-worker doesn't know who is worse, Obama or McCain

[cushla_machree]

Today I was talking to a co-worker, and was saying how since i just moved, i need to register to vote in the state before Nov. Right after that, she proceeds to tell me that she doesn't even want to vote in this election because both candidates are the same. She basically said she doesn't think McCain is a real conservative, he is more of a liberal, and that she doesn't want him leading us into another war, but doesn't want Obama leading us because he won't know what to do.

Who are these people? My uncle pulled this back in 2004, he told me that Kerry was no different than bush. I can think of a thousand reasons why Obama is better than McCain. Abortion, health care, supreme court justices retiring, endless war... etc etc. ECONOMY!

Granted, our two party system leaves a lot to be desired....but I don't think the two candidates are anything alike. Why are seemingly smart people (she has an ivy league education) so ignorant? ONly in America. I tried to talk to her about McCains awful economic plans and the type of people each would surround themselves with. I just don't think she really cares all that much. I have a feeling this election is riding on people like her too...

[Canuckistanian]

1. Funny a lot of people said that about the 2000 Gore/Bush election

How's that working out for her?

[Ian David]

2. Just wait until McCain needs to be restrained after attacking Obama at a debate. n/t

[wuushew]

3. What issues are important to your co-worker?

n/t

[Skittles]

4. most of my coworkers think that n/t

[nevergiveup]

5. Did you ever talk to those people

who in any political discussion always say "all politicians are crooks". Funny thing is, these people are more often conservative and if they vote it is likely Republican. I suspect your co-worker may fall in with this group.

[cushla_machree]

19. Exactly

Thats what my uncle would said. Kerry is just a big of a crook as Bush. I also know for a fact that he doesn't watch the news or read newspapers, and if he voted, it would be conservative. I think he is too lazy to vote though. He also gets mad at us for 'being too political.'

[Journeyman]

6. Tell her to vote for the candidate who "won't know what to do" . . .

if her major concern is someone "leading us into another war."

Any argument more complicated than that is only going to confuse her. Go with your strength: which in this case seems to be her stupidity.

[tularetom]

7. :Let me help her out

Is she the CEO of a corporation? Does she have a trust fund? Probably not. You mentioned she was a "co-worker" implying that she does in fact work for a living. Does she like crappy health care? $5 a gallon gasoline? Bankrupting the country to continue the dumbass Iraq war? I'll bet she doesn't like any of those things. If she doesn't McCain is definitely worse.

[Sadie4629]

12. How do you know she has "crappy healthcare?"

There are a lot of us who pay less in premium than we will in tax increases for Obama's plan. There are a lot of us who get better service now than we will under Obama's plan.

Maybe she thinks drilling now, or relaxing some of the environmental regulations will do more to lower the price of gasoline than Obama's plan.

People usually have VALID reasons to vote one way or another.

[MiniMe]

15. Wow, so you make more than $250k per year

Those are the only person who will be affected by any tax increases. The less you make, the more your tax cut under Obama's plan. Personally, I'd like to see it be at more like $500k, but still, unless you are making a very good living, it won't affect you.

Somebody has to pay for our crumbling infrastructure and the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan. Somebody has to pay for public services such as fire fighters, police, EMR's. Local taxes pay for a majority of the latter, but states are having problems now too making ends meet.

And what kind of "service" are you taking about?

[Sadie4629]

16. No, our income is considerably less than that

but if you think Obama's proposals aren't going to affect those of us in the solid middle class, then you are sadly mistaken.

Remember Bill Clinton's '92 tax break for the middle class? It never materialized, and, in fact, our taxes (family of four with about a $50,000 income) went up.

This whole "tax break for the middle class" is just empty campaign air.

Count on it.

[MiniMe]

17. He didn't call it a tax break for the middle class

However, he has said that he will not increase taxes on those making less than $250k. What do you think McCain will do to you?

[cushla_machree]

24. Because most health care is crappy

We have an HMO, which is very good...only so long as you go to THEIR doctors. Unfortunately, all my doctors are out of network...and i want to go to the best doctors for me, not the ones my HMO pays.

[CC]

8. At this point I am telling those that says something

similar to what your friend is saying to stay home and not vote in protest. First off because their vote will most likely go to McCain if they do go vote just like it went to Bush in 2004. Second because you can't get them to comprehend the difference no matter how much you tell them and they "don't have time" to go reading a bunch of stuff to figure out who they should vote for.:banghead:Now my feeling is if you are too lazy to do even a minimum amount of reading then do us all a favor and stay the hell away from a voting booth.
Course the repukes haven't come up with the latest value crisis/protect the family BS to bring out the crazies yet.

[bemildred]

9. Good, let them not vote.

The election is not riding on people that don't give a shit. As long as people with a right to vote and a desire to vote get to vote, and their votes get counted, one-for-one, I can live with bobbleheads that don't vote because they think it makes no difference.

[Edweird]

10. From what I've seen, the "there's no difference" crowd are RW'ers that won't admit it.

Not rabid junkyard dog "get a brain moran" types, but the Horatio Alger wannabe's that vote against their own best interests. Just my humble .02

[uppityperson]

11. I know people like that too. They hate bush, but say the same as you wrote:

"She basically said she doesn't think McCain is a real conservative, he is more of a liberal, and that she doesn't want him leading us into another war, but doesn't want Obama leading us because he won't know what to do."

McCain has "Experienc" (tm). Is it the right kind of experience though? I pointed out SCOTUS and they said that it doesn't matter. argh.

[Historic NY]

13. Tell her if she wants more of the same then to vote for McLame..

obviously point out she must be better off now than she was some 8 yrs ago. Then ask her to loan you some extra money so you can buy some food & fuel.

[MiniMe]

14. I've heard from a lot of people, even die hard democrats, who say the same thing

They are worried about Obama's experience. My mother is one of them. I have pulled them back to reason by saying it is all about the Supreme Court, they have stopped and paused, and said you are absolutely right. Of course, that is assuming that the person realized and dislikes the direction the Supreme Court is going.

I think that * made everybody gunshy about those with little experience.

[KharmaTrain]

18. Sounds Like A Boooshie With Buyers Remorse

First of all, this sounds like a person who wouldn't vote for Obama for any reason. She's looking for a "real conservative"...thus NO Deocrat will ever suffice and what you're hearing is her disillusionment with the GOOP. She's in denial and would rather stay home this November...and that's fine with me. I suspect we'll see a lot of GOOPers staying home in November who aren't happy with Gramps but no way they can vote for Obama or any Democrat. Talking does little to affect these people, so I encourage them to enjoy Election Day by staying at home.

[cushla_machree]

22. i can't figure out if she is a conservative

I basically said, I would vote for obama alone based on the people he would surround himself with. Maybe he hasn't been in washington for long, but he can do a hell of a lot better than the PNAC club. Who is McCain going to get for his advisors? Probably the same old crap. She didn't really respond to this.

I also said, mcCain is a no for me, based on the abortion issue. she didn' respond to this either....either she doesn't care or she is pro-life.

I also talked about the war, the economy...how basically mcCain wants to make the bush tax cuts permnament, with no revenue to make up for everything he plans to spend, which isn't, in my mind, conservative. If she is conservative, i tried the angle that these republicans aren't really conserving anything.

I just don't understand how someone can just not care. this election is pivotal! It is going to plan the next direction of our country....each candidate is clearly different. She must be a closet republican or libertarian...and MCcain isn't doing it for her and obama seems too 'different.'

[ColbertWatcher]

20. LOL!

I find the best thing to do when confronted with such monumental stupidity is to ask the moran questions until their world collapses in on itself.

Oh, and don't forget to come back and let us know how it went.

[Lex]

21. Lack of critical thinking skills

is a bitch.

[cushla_machree]

23. what is sad

Is that this person is, an ivy leaguer. But you know, so was bush......

[Lex]

25. that *is* sad

but I'm not surprised in the least

[mitchum]

26. Another legacy admission perhaps?