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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 05:29 AM
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The GOP is running up budgets in order to bankrupt the government.
This has obviously been their plan from the beginning. They want to gut regulations and get the government out of the market place. No watch Dog organizations, no assistance to those who need it, no college aid, no farm bills, nothing except military spending.

That's what they want and they will continue to play on the gullibility of the media and the people who have grown to hate government because of the GOP Media Blitz against the government. For some reason people still believe that the GOP is a fiscally prudent political party. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 05:48 AM
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1. embezzlers usually don't care about the victim. they just want the money.
the republicans' game has been to get a responsible democrat in to balance the budget and raise money into the treasury, then get a republican in power to funnel all that money into the hands of cronies and donors.

rinse and repeat.

president obama restore fiscal sanity (i'm not expecting miracle, it's just that he couldn't be worse if he tried) and after 8 or 12 years of democrats, the people will forget why they kicked the republicans out, the republicans will have rebranded themselves, and once again the comparatively minor infractions of the democrats will seem to matter oh so much. and the republicans will once again drain our treasury into their pockets.

when will we ever learn?

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Marblehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 06:06 AM
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3. I think you are correct also.... n/t
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 07:27 AM
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14. You are exactly correct!
I have thought the exact same thing.
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Marblehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 06:05 AM
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2. I think you are correct n/t
Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 06:05 AM by Marblehead
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 06:08 AM
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4. Absolutely, not many people have figured it out.
I have thought that for years now, WCGreen you are spot on with your observation. Our Government has been under attack from within. Wall Street wants to be in charge, dismantle the government and replace it with fascism. Jeb Bush said in his second inaugural address that he wants to totally eliminate government. Nobody was listening, I was, here is a direct quote from Jebs 2nd inaugural address. This is scary stuff, people think I am nuts!

“And if we are, we can embed in society a sense of caring that makes government less necessary. There would be
no greater tribute to our maturity as a society than if we can make these buildings around us empty of workers; silent monuments to the time when government played a larger role than it deserved or could adequately fill.”

http://librarian.lishost.org/?p=339

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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 06:26 AM
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7. the republican party represents corrupt boardrooms, not wall street
wall street likes being able to to deals. a fairly stable currency, low inflation, stable low interest rates, and a booming economy are best for this. that ain't what we got.

when things are going along fine, yes, wall street goes to excess and can get in bed with boardroom crooks. but right now, deals are hard to get done, and wall street ain't happy.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 07:30 AM
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15. An example of this phenomenon is
The privatization of the war in Iraq. Blackwater, KBR etc. And just look how wonderful that turned out to be.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 06:11 AM
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5. I wonder why more people aren't talking about this.
It has seemed obvious to me for some time. Republicans hate government because it involves the sharing of burdens and responsibility (which they see as "socialism"), and they love corporations because they sanctify and support massive individual greed. Hence, the plan: kill the government and let the corporations take over! It's a no-brainer.

The Republican Party should be renamed the American Fascist Party (AFP). It would be the first honest thing they've ever done!
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 06:14 AM
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6. This what they commonly call the "Starve the Beast" strategy
If you bankrupt the govt, there will be nothing left to run things except the corporations. That's what they want.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 06:28 AM
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8. That is absolutely their game "starve the beast" and it is up to the democrats to find
somebody, some way to get this message out to the people so they can understand what has been occurring, what the republicans have done, their philosophy and why things are the way they are. A film makeer along a documentary line along with others talking to the media, out to the grassroots where you and I talk about it. There are different ways.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 06:34 AM
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9. It wouldn't be happening if they were Impeached. n/t
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 06:50 AM
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10. That traitor norquist
said it best.'we want to shrink the goverment down to a size where we can drown it in the bathtub'.(not exact quote but close enough).
They are intentionally wrecking our goverment for just that reason.
The more they fuckit up the easier it is to get the average joe thinking that goverment is a problem and needs doing away with.

Isn't attacking the goverment with the intent of destroying it a form of treason?
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 07:33 AM
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16. Oh, it's treason alright.
We are at war. And I don't mean in Iraq or Afghanistan. Right now these fascist elements have conquered the country. They must be defeated.
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moose65 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 06:59 AM
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11. That's always been the botttom line for me
Republicans hate government, and they think that government can't do anything right, so why in the world would we let them be IN CHARGE of the government? Suppose you were on a hiring committee at your company, and a candidate for a position said in an interview "this company can't do anything right, and should not be in this business. I hate it." Would you hire that person? I think not!
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 07:06 AM
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12. sadly, katrina has been a good counter to that strategy
all the natural disasters from Katrina to the floods in Iowa, Illinois, and Missouri have shown people the moral bankruptcy of that strategy.

People are realizing that they need government to do things that are not commercially viable -- aka public goods -- so that private sector has something to grow on.

All the food and drug recalls are waking people up as well.

The sad thing is that the budget will be truly tight.

The other thing is that this great pro-business administration gave business what they wanted for the short term. It did no major investment like the Internet or a landing on Mars that would have provided for new technologies to come on line. We just milked short term speculation and have no major initiatives that would pull us out of the credit crisis.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 07:26 AM
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13. I've considered the same.
This ruination of the country has been so thorough that it has to have been intentional. They can say ",Look, no money for Social Security. No money for the FDA. No money for FEMA." And much more.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 07:44 AM
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17. Since We, the People, are the "government"...
In effect, they have declared war against the people. They truly believe that no government at all is the best government. I am certain that has been their goal with their huge deficits - spend us into oblivion so nothing could be spent on people, thereby creating a "bigger" government, in their minds. Thoughtlessly, they have put our nation at great risk with their delusional ideology.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 07:44 AM
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18. The shooting will start in Montana, where the Smirking Chimp is selling ...
Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 07:45 AM by Fly by night
... millions of acres of government land to a fellow Nazi for development purposes.

The sooner, the better....

Homeland Security -- Fighting Terrorists since 1492.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 07:58 AM
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19. And guess who is right there helping them
Democrats have had Majority Contol for two years now and yet the military and war budgets have increased while Domestic Spending has declined..
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 09:00 AM
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20. This was mission number one for GW Bush......
Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 09:04 AM by BlueJac
Ruin government and cut social programs while enriching himself and his friends!


Milton Freidman ecomonics is the problem with both Republicans and Democrats, they both love the free market at are hating government at the same rate. This insanity must stop!
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 02:40 PM
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30. friedman economics isn't the problem
economists concede that true free markets are impractical and dangerous to stability. The problem we have is that we have a market system that acquiesces to private interests. we deregulate profits (loosen environmental measures, eradicate health care responsibilities for companies, expansion of investment banking and speculative markets) while heavily regulating losses (the multiple airline bailouts, the $500+ BILLION investment banking bailout). We have the most worthless capitalist market system available. In a true free market, less regulation of corporations would take place, but there'd also be no government handouts to flailing companies. The market system should have no bearing on how the government interacts with individual citizens (the housing crisis could have been avoided had the federal government used the bailout they spent on investment banks to buy up shady ARM loans and allow homeowners to remain in their homes and make affordable payments.) A quick nationalization of the mortgage meltdown would have rendered it moot. But alas it wouldn't have made banks all that rich, especially when so many hedge funds were betting against the housing market.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 09:09 AM
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21. And the Democrats in Congress have done everything they could to help. nt
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 09:13 AM
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22. It's the "kill the goden goose and get all the eggs at once" philosopy.
They are only for expenditures which lead to more liabilities. They won't spend money on anything which would lead to future returns of revenue.

--IMM
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 10:52 PM
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31. It's the "strip mining" approach to government. cheney*/bush* has it down to an artform.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 09:14 AM
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23. Remember Who Wins With A Debt...
Once again the old adage of "when someone is losing money, someone is making money" comes into play. When this regime borrows, it goes to its favorite bankers on Wall Street and through brokerage houses to pay for their wars for profit and other plundering. The banks love it cause they know this regime can't pay back the debt in full...and thus "revolve" these debts like a credit card. The large banks skim off of years of partial interest payments then roll the balance into the principal and make billions off interest and still have a large principal that continues to grow. The GOOP doesn't care cause they know in January it'll be someone elses mess to clean up and then expect them to claim they're for "fiscal responsibility"...which the corporate media will echo...divorced, as usual, with reality.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 10:21 AM
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24. Their running up budgets so that they can steal from the treasury.
One of my students wrote a brilliant paper on the audits commissioned by the GAO. She compared the budgeted items with what was actually spent and where. Through her research she discovered what we already know. There is a substantial amount of budgeted money that is unaccounted for. We know that over $80 billion is missing from the Iraq discretionary budget. This was 2 years after the invasion when soldiers and many of us complained that the troops weren't receiving the necessary body armour and equipment to carry out their missions. We also found out that private companies like the infamous Blackwater were paying their contractors as much as 10 times for the same jobs that military personnel traditionally performed. Every year since the invasion, she discovered billions in dollars missing from the treasury. I know that these people are deliberately driving up the costs of the war and using some of those funds to fill the pockets of Defense United and Halliburton. The Democrats are complicit because they continue to approve every budgetary item that Dumbya and the Repukes ask for. x( x(
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 12:02 PM
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25. It's all about their hatred for FDR's New Deal.
Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 12:06 PM by alfredo
That's the only way they can undo the protections from that legislation. We wouldn't vote against the minimum wage, and child labor laws, they'd have to force a crisis so deep that we wouldn't have a choice in the matter. Shock and Awe.

A war with Iran could be the tipping point, we've caught onto the bullshit called "the war on terror" as it applies to Iraq.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 12:13 PM
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26. Isn't that the truth?
K&R
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 12:21 PM
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27. Small enough to drown it in a bathtub...
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 01:47 PM
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28. That is why taxing billionaires makes sense!
It punishes the "haves and have mores" constituting Bush's base.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 01:49 PM
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29. gee. ya think?
they want to drown it in the bathtub.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 10:56 PM
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32. Its also a massive transfer & concentration of wealth.
Welfare for the wealthy.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 02:13 AM
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33. I've thought that for years.
They couldn't get the government in the bathtub, so they're drowning it in a swamp.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 02:34 AM
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34. Yep, destroy the U.S. so they can take it over and do what they want with it & us. nt
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Marblehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 08:50 PM
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35. This is part of the plan
The New World Order....
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