MSNBC and Andrea Mitchell giving Eagleburger a forum...

[kentuck]

to criticize Obama. Once more, he is giving the standard Republican attack line. "Nobody knows what he stands for...he bounces all over the place....blah..blah...blah... They all know how to sing the same crap. No doubt about that. Unfortunately, their attempts to discredit Obama are very transparent.

[spanone]

1. ms mitchell is not a journalist, she is a republican enabler

[Clark2008]

18. That's Mrs. Greenspan, actually.

:hi:

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

19. It was her turn to enable today

the way she did last Monday when she repeated several times the insane remark that Wesley Clark "attacked" John McCain's military record. Yes, she used the word "attacked" without reference to any proof of an attack.

[defendandprotect]

2. Take it out of your TV line up . . . just a suggestion . ..

[kentuck]

3. It's best to give them free rein to say whatever they wish ??

And nobody should respond to any of their BS? Because no one is watching them...except the people that shouldn't be watching them?? i have a difficult time understanding your logic?

(edited for spelling of reign)

[calimary]

7. You can certainly let them know how you feel. These calls and emails add up.

Start here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10285339/

[petersjo02]

8. That would be "free rein"

as in allowing a horse free "rein" to gallop off wherever he pleases by loosening one's hold on the reins. Kings and queens "reign" over their kingdom.

[kentuck]

9. Thanks for the clarification...

Sorry about that.

[defendandprotect]

23. Over the last 20 years and more people have responded . .. do you think this is new?

And what we have seen is simply more consolidation and more right-wing propaganda

that seems to come directly out of neo-con mouths.

THIS is because government and corporations are allied --- corporatism -- fascism.


If you want to listen and respond fine --- but I'm trying to make clear to you that

at this point, your best bet it to turn it off. You can find out what outrageous

things are being said, if you wish, thru Media Matters and other means where other

experienced people are monitoring these programs for you.


And, often they will provide a way for EVERYONE who disagrees with the programming

to register their complaints.


You have to decide for yourself --- I'm just making a suggestion ---

Mostly the viewership has dropped --- when Turner owned CNN, they had 13 million

international viewers -- afterwards it went down to 3 million.


I haven't seen recent figures ---

Let us know if you see something really objectionable and want some help in saying

"Hey, that's BS!" . . . I admire that you're trying ---

:)

[kentuck]

25. Sometimes I want to form my own opinions ....

Rather than to depend on Media Matters or anyone else to decide for me.

[defendandprotect]

26. I used to feel the same way ---

[KharmaTrain]

4. He Isn't Even Convinced...

These GOOP drones act in Pavlovian fashion. The get the talking points and that's all they know and say. It's almost cited like rote these days with little passion or variation from the script. The game is to frame messages...Obama's weak and inexperienced cause (insert the latest talking point or straw man here) while Gramps is superior but the talking head doesn't have to explain why and is always allowed to deflect any criticism as a "personal attack".

The corporate media is like a village under seige these days. It's the same talking heads talking to the same talking heads about their common fears...the latest ripple in the beltway bubble. These people have long been removed from the rest of this country and only see those outside the beltway as "poll numbers" and soundbites to play with to suit whatever makes them feel good. The more they're exposed as being both inept and complicit with this regime, the more they hide in their bubble.

[calimary]

10. Again, a really good analysis here!

You tend to do that a lot, KharmaTrain! :patriot: :headbang: :toast: :yourock:

I remember a wasted minute having to listen to limbaugh years ago. Maybe it wasn't really so wasted because of what I learned from it. he was actually taking a call from someone not exactly of like mind. The caller made some extended statement I got in on the end of, in which he complained about the contention that republi-CONS and CONservatives think their guys are better because Dems and liberals aren't this or that or some other flaccid or utterly invented rationale-du-jour. limbaugh's response? A little bit of vague bloviating, with no concrete anything in it, followed by "Yeah, I do think our guys are better."

Period.

He let this one fly, and let it stand.

No backup.

No explanations or reasons to support that contention.

No details of any kind.

They just figure what they say is God and it is just simply not to be challenged. After all, in the case of limbaugh, he did after all write a book (maybe cowritten with some name-not-familiar crutch) called "The Way Things Ought to Be." Which was not followed by "Oh yeah? Sez WHO, rush?"

They are NOT used to being challenged. Mainly because they don't think they should be challenged. They should simply be obeyed and coddled and repeatedly and routinely accommodated.

Which is all the more reason why we SHOULD challenge him and MSNBC and andrea mitchell and everybody else who thinks he or she has some Divine Right to dictate and determine the rules of the game, when the total opposite is what's true.

More about that here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6461533&mesg_id=6465097

[KharmaTrain]

17. Awww Thanks, Calimary

Good to see you...it's been a while. Hope all is well.

:hi:

I saw this game back at it's inception in the late 80's...the development of the "Big Lie". It was built on the one that Nixon tried to push in the 70s (using Agnew and Buchanan as attack dogs) and refined through this rise of hate radio. It was based on "a rumor circles the globe while the truth is putting on its pants"...thus say whatever as any challenge will take time to prove...the corporate media loves the "dish" and the rumor is amplified far louder than any truths or fact checking...this is what they believe draws ratings.

While the media scales are tipped strongly against us, we're in a better place than we were in '04 or even '06. The "internets" has made it possible to bypass this bubbleworld and the more the corporate media attempts to push messages and agendas, the stronger the Internet becomes. While Mrs. Greenspan can reach several thousand people, YouTube reaches millions. The worm has turned.

You know the media game well...and we must be vigilent to point out all the spinning and games out here...even if it opens one set of eyes, it's one new ally in the march towards a new and better media.

Cheers...

:toast:

[calimary]

22. Back atcha.

Worth noting in the last reference to the limbaugh story - the caller by then was long gone. That was the end of the discussion. No one even on the air with him anymore to offer any challenge or rebuttal. That's how he likes it. That's how all of his clones and collaborators and cronies like it.

Sorta gets you back to all that talk about stern father and stern, authoritarian parent-type rule as applied to government and the governing of people. The republi-CONS view theirs as the "head of the household" role. Show 'em a Thanksgiving table and they'll automatically assume their seat is at the head of it. Stern father and head of family and king of castle. Kings are not to be challenged. The kings who do it "right" bestow upon themselves and formally decree as theirs a divine right. And that's the mentality they bring to government. That whole idea of the quintessential fall-back put-down about liberals being weak and bleeding-heart and do-gooders and pushing a "nanny state" and a mommy softness. Battered wife or battered child syndrome and all that. Tough love gone berzerk. And a whole lot of that kind of one-sided shit over the years leaves a person pretty bent. Imagine a whole nation of persons pretty bent under that Cold Cruel Rule.

No wonder we're so fucked up.

But you're correct. WE have to be the ones out there on the front lines doing the debunking and the challenging. Besides, hell, you just might reach somebody and save a soul. Or two.

[Supersedeas]

27. I'll second that.

[JDPriestly]

5. Their problem is that they are battling charisma.

And charisma is that feeling you get when you see and hear Obama. No amount of "Nobody knows" will defeat charisma.

Charisma is just very hard to defeat. People just get a feeling that Obama is a man who will do the right thing.

[Sydnie]

6. "obama changed his position .. well, he said he could change his

position depending on conditions on the ground, but anyone can say that. That's political ... "

Now, wait 50 seconds to hear this ... "mcCain has said that his position will be determined by the conditions on the ground, so yes, he has changed but it is a direct result of the conditions on the ground ..."

Give me strength! They aren't even any good at double talk anymore.

[ErinBerin84]

11. That was amusing, yet disturbing.

Um, he did not sound "well" to say the least. I posted this in another forum...

"was just on the phone with Andrea Mitchell, and he sounds out of breath as all get out. Seriously, it was like he could have a heart attack at any moment. It's so ballsy for the McCain campaign to try and pin this flip flop thing on Obama. He just said "I mean...(out of breath) I can't even...(out of breath) tell you how many times (out of breath) Obama has bounced back and forth (out of breath) this year..."

Exactly, asshole...you can't! Does he have a heart condition that I'm unaware of?"

[qazplm]

12. I've been watching MSNBC all day

and to be honest, she's better than the two who came before her today.

I've also seen her make some positive, fair comments towards Obama just in the last hour and she has had on two democratic operatives and now a pro Obama pastor is on now.

I think she isn't as bad as some make her out to be. She's not great, but she's nowhere near the worst IMO.

[eleny]

15. When she's out of line it's important to let her know

No quarter. Not this time.

[qazplm]

21. I guess Im confused

she had on dem operatives, but she cant have on rep operatives to criticize obama?

[kentuck]

24. But did the "dem operatives" personally attack McCain...?

in the same manner? He can't be trusted. Nobody knows where he's coming from. He's all over the place. he can't be trusted...etc...etc...

Yes, the dem operatives seem to have a different agenda or they simply do not want to criticize McCain in the same manner that the Repub operatives attack Obama. There is a difference.

It is different to say "We disagree with his position on Iraq or whatever" than to say "he can't be trusted. Nobody knows where he's coming from. he's a flip-flopper...etc.etc"

One is an attack on his position on the issues and one is a personal attack. One is much more deadly. But maybe that is the fault of the Democrats, huh?

[qazplm]

28. sure

the dem operatives had some pretty pointed commentary which is part of presidential politics.

We have plenty of dem operatives rightfully pointing out that McCain flip flops.

[eleny]

13. I sent them a note via the link provided below

And also borrowed some ideas from this thread. Thanks to all. Here's my note:

"Today, Andrea Mitchell is giving Eagleburger a free rein forum to criticize Barack Obama. Not too credible when it's obvious that Andrea's objective is to function as a Republican enabler.

Give it up Andrea. You can't beat Obama's charisma with washed out Republican hacks as guests on your program."

[underpants]

14. What does McCain stand for? SS cuts or payroll tax raise?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6465492&mesg_id=6465492

[underpants]

16. What form of black magic/CIA life infusion is keeping that guy alive?

I'm not wishing him ill mind you but that guy is a physical mess. AND he still smokes like a chimney.

[BeHereNow]

20. Daily infusions of fresh infant blood. Just like they keep Kissinger alive.

It's a Skull and Bones thing.

BHN:hide: