Our Founding Fathers Must be Rolling Around in Their Graves... Agree???

[politicallore]

"This July 4th while I was watching the fireworks go off, I started thinking, what the heck happened to our freedom. No longer are we the proud nation we once were. We’re ashamed of our politicians, ashamed of our policies and ashamed of our political system we once highly regarded. It seems nobody anymore has the ideals the Founding Fathers laid out in front of us. They set us on the right path to freedom and serenity, yet it seems we have blown it.

Everybody is to blame… You can point fingers at the conservatives, the liberals, the scholars, the corporations, the media, parents, and the politicians. Some people even put all the blame on President Bush. How can some so naively blame one individual or entity on the downfall of America?"

Read on.....

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[nradisic]

1. Totally....

Adams, Jefferson, Washington, Franklin are definitively rolling in their graves. True patriots could not even imagine what has become of our beloved nation...

[Maat]

4. You mean "MADISON, Jefferson, Washington, & Franklin."

John Adams was an elitist who wanted a monarch, at least initially, and who called people like us, "the rabble."

You are quite correct; they are rolling around in their graves right now.

Maat, J.D.

;-)

[Bicoastal]

2. I feel like George Carlin when I say this...

...YOU CAN'T ROLL AROUND IN A GRAVE! There isn't any room to roll around in. You're in a very compact wooden crate that is in turn surrounded by dirt on all sides. If anything, the Founding Fathers are hammering on the lids of their coffins, going "Get me the fuck OUTTA HERE!"

[politicallore]

6. Hahaha, Great line

[sakabatou]

3. If we could wrap copper coils around them

and magnets above that, we could generate electricity for millions!

[politicallore]

5. That is so not funny... It's Brilliant... and sad

[Kermitt Gribble]

7. Agree.

I suspect they would've rallied a march to overthrow this govt years ago. Where are our present day rabble rousers? Who will save us? Or is the rabble too fat and complacent to be roused?

[no_hypocrisy]

8. No, they're spinning.

[noamnety]

9. Let's review

"By 1760, there had been 18 uprisings aimed at overthrowing the government of one or more colonies. ... but by the 1760's the colonies also had people we call local elites. These were political and social leaders in their city, town or colony. ... Some of these elite colonists were close to the ruling circles, made up of governors, tax collectors, and other officials who represented Great Britain. ...

... These local elites were disturbed by the rising disorder. They feared that if the social order of the colonies were overturned, their own property and importance could be harmed. Then the elites saw a way to protect themselves and their positions. They could turn the rebellious energy of the colonists against Britain and its officials. ..."

-- Howard Zinn


I suspect the founding fathers would be quite proud of how the Iraq War and the War on Terror has been used to distract people from class warfare that threatens the property of the elite.

[glitch]

10. Rolling? I expect them to scratch through their caskets and start walking.

Million dead patriot march on Washington {{visualizing}}. They certainly can't rely on the present generations for any direct action.

With any luck they'll follow the bushes wherever they go.

[politicallore]

15. lol

[EbenezerMcIntosh]

11. Agreed (nt)

[zbdent]

12. The bloodcurdling shrieks emanating from the White House for the past 7 years

are those of a distraught spirit of George Washington ...

that, or it's time for Laura to have sex with George again ...

[indepat]

13. One must be willing to lose/give up everything they have, the wealth, power, influence,

livelihood, maybe even life itself/the lives of their loved ones, for that is literally what is at stake. Practically no one in the Congress, other than Kucinich, in the MSM, in the bastions of corporate America, practically no one has been willing to possibly give up all in this struggle: to wit, not enough individuals are willing to risk all to save their country from tyranny, to be a true patriot, and that is so sad when remembering the words "I regret that I have but one life to give to my country." :cry:

[noamnety]

14. Let's Review #2

"In 1978, just seven years after the Bill of Rights was added to the constitution, Congress passed a law that clearly limited the right of free speech.

... That law was the Sedition Act, which made it a crime to say anything "false, scandalous and malicious against the federal government. Criticism that might turn the people against the government was forbidden. The Sedition Act seemed to violate the First Amendment, but 10 people went to prison for saying things against the government.

... Congress also passed new taxes to pay for war bonds. Although society's richest people owned most of the bonds, ordinary people had to pay the taxes."

again, Howard Zinn.

[Kermitt Gribble]

16. "The Alien and Sedition Acts

were four bills passed in 1798 by the Federalists in the United States Congress—who were waging an undeclared naval war with France, later known as the Quasi-War—and signed into law by President John Adams...

...One act — the Alien Enemies Act — is still in force in 2008, and has frequently been enforced in wartime. The others expired or were repealed by 1802. Thomas Jefferson held them all to be unconstitutional and void, then pardoned and ordered the release of all who had been convicted of violating them."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

[noamnety]

17. Your link also explains

that Jefferson's main objection to the Sedition Act wasn't based on the right to free speech. It was an objection that it should have been up to the states to create such laws, and the federal government overstepped its bounds by trying to institute it on a national level.

[truedelphi]

19. I know Zinn is different than most historians, but I think even he

Wouldn't say that in eight years after the Bill of Rights was passed in
1978

All that happened at the end of the seventeen hundreds.

[noamnety]

20. I'm a bit dyslexic, sorry.

Trying to type it out from an actual book, my apologies on that.

[truedelphi]

23. Your apology is

Acpected!!

[MiniMe]

18. Those graves are spinning like tops now

[Telly Savalas]

21. The founding fathers established a government which encouraged slavery

and disenfranchised women.

There are surely better metrics for the quality of our society than wild speculation about what a bunch of dead white guys might have thought about how we're doing.

[EbenezerMcIntosh]

22. Thank goodness, we of the future generations have tried to fix those things.

But, other than the slavery and sexist thing, what do you think about the deaths of Americans and innocents due to the illegal war, the patriot act and evisceration of our freedoms, corporate fascists running the congressional and executive branches, inflation, the ineffective and tyrannical drug war, or anything else that may come to mind.

[noamnety]

25. "the deaths of Americans and innocents due to the illegal war"

I thought it was wrong when the founding fathers led us into that as well.

"Other than genocide, were they okay?"

[JackRiddler]

24. They're not my founding "fathers"

and I'm as or more American than someone who thinks their family came in on the Mayflower.

Even when engaging in historical mythmaking, could one at least be true enough to the history to distinguish between:

a) the great rabble rousers like Tom Paine and Sam Adams

b) the signatories to the Declaration of 1776

c) and the framers of the Constitution of 1787?

Because it would have been trouble getting many members of these three distinct groups in the same room without a fist-fight.

So, for starters: Which "founding fathers" do you mean?

Especially: Which Jefferson do you mean? The slave-holder? The writer of the Declaration? The guy who rejected the Constitution and embraced the French Revolution? Or the President from 1801-1809? Because those may as well be four different guys.

[bdamomma]

26. I would love to see if we could learn something from V.

[scheming daemons]

27. spamming to pimp your own site again, I see....... PAY DU advertising fees!

[politicallore]

29. I do not consider spurring active conversation, as spamming...

and comments like this discourage my chances of future advertising on this site, which I do hope to do.

[windoe]

28. I wish they would rise up and give some key people a "Night of America's Past. Present and Future"

and give them haunted nightmares until or unless they act like real humans.