British UFO sightings at 'bizarre' levels (includes map)

[NJCher]

Source: The Telegraph

I've posted a couple threads about this and it appears the phenomena continues:

British UFO sightings at 'bizarre' levels


Plotted on a map of Britain, the sightings can be seen to stretch from Liverpool to Dover and from Llanelli to Derby.



Whatever the explanation, experts agree that the number of suspected flying saucers has hit unusual highs this summer.

Malcolm Robinson, who studies the phenomenon, said: "Something very bizarre is happening in the skies over the UK."

The founder member of Strange Phenomena Investigations, added: "There has been an unusual number of sightings recently.
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Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2261941/British-UFO-sightings-at-'bizarre'-levels.html

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The British papers are taking this seriously and are, for the most part, not making fun of the people who have seen the UFOs. The Sun, unfortunately a screaming tabloid, even now has a regular section that features the videos people take of UFOs. It does, however, treat the subject with some degree of respect, although today's story of the "ale-ien" is a little iffy.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/ufos/

If you go to The Sun link, note in particular the story "Mum Mystified by Night UFO" and also "Schoolboy Snaps a Saucer."

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/ufos/

Also, please note that if you go to The Sun, you might want to use IE instead of Firefox. I had trouble with Firefox closing on me at their site.

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Here is a report of lights dancing in Hertford. Hertford has had sightings before--back in '1987, someone in Hertford observed a UFO for two hours.
http://www.herald24.co.uk/content/herald/news/story.aspx?brand=EHHOnline&category=NewsEastHerts&tBrand=HertsCambsOnline&tCategory=newslatestEHH&itemid=WEED07%20Jul%202008%2017%3A01%3A30%3A010

Something interesting. When I did a Google News search, a story that came up said, "Military UFOs: The Truth
Wired News - 8 hours ago
What the conspiracy theorists have been saying for years is true: There are UFOs out there in space -- operated by the US military, and manufactured by ..."

However, one cannot get to this story. It has been scrubbed, I do believe. This is what I got when I clicked:
Not Found

"The requested URL /defense/2008/07/militarys-own-u.html was not found on this server."

I went to Wired News to see if I could find the story there under another name but was unsuccessful.


Previous thread on this story:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3494750



Cher

p.s. Over the fourth, Bucks County, PA has a sighting, too. It was near the mall.

[Terry_M]

1. Probably the CIA sending prisoners for torture in UFO-like objects

instead of regular planes to keep things a bit quieter.

[Hugabear]

2. Late Breaking News? please...

It's been over 60 years since this whole UFO phenomena began, and so far nobody has come up with one single shred of credible evidence to show that these are anything other than natural occurrences.

[Barrett808]

3. Well, except for eyewitness testimony.

Beyond that, very little physical evidence, for sure.

[Hugabear]

7. Eyewitness testimony is absolutely worthless

Unless it's backed up by hard physical proof. Which is why it's very difficult to win a criminal conviction based on eyewitness testimony alone.

If you want to rely on eyewitness testimony, then you have to accept Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, dinosaurs in the Congo, werewolves, Jersey Devil, ghosts, demons, angels, people vanishing into thin air, and a whole slew of things that are very questionable at best.

[shadowknows69]

9. It's not worthless to the eyewitnesses

Eyewitness testimony has convicted murderers. Worthless?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. There actual is such a thing as a murderer.

:shrug:

[Bethesda Home]

44. There are a good number of UFO sightings that have been confirmed as true.

Here's one of them:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2248463/Moon-mistaken-for-UFO.html

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

87. I wonder if that one's on the map. n/t

[Hugabear]

29. Really?

Can you provide an example where someone has been convicted of murder based solely on eyewitness testimony? With absolutely no corroborating evidence?

[Barrett808]

13. Of course, we have to be very carfeul with eyewitness accounts, but they're better than "worthless"

Not all eyewitness accounts are equal -- I certainly have greatest trust in multiple accounts from trained observers, like pilots and police.

[NJCher]

14. it's the degree that's the news, paint it black

You missed the point of what is the late breaking news and that is that the number of sightings have reached the point where the media thinks it has reached unusually high levels (their term was "bizarre").

If you don't want to read on the topic, don't click the thread. You can even hide the thread, for crying out loud. That's what I do when a topic is not to my liking. I don't feel the need to come on the thread and cast judgment on someone else's interests.

There is a high degree of interest in this--just in the short amount of time it was on Latest Breaking News, it got 490 views. In the other threads I've posted, other DU-ers have indicated they are interested they like reading the threads.

And btw, your attitude is way in the minority. Do your own searches because you wouldn't believe me anyway, but the vast majority of people in the U.S. and the world believe there is intelligent life out there. Many think it is entirely likely intelligent life would want to explore space.

Is that such a stretch for you?



Cher

[TZ]

17. Many people believe there is intelligent life elsewhere.

HOWEVER, if you've read ANY Carl Sagan, whom I would THINK would be a credible source, you would understand how UNLIKELY IT IS that intelligent beings are flying around peeping in windows and stealing cows..
There has also been a HUGE rash of proven HOAXES of late..including quite a few here that actually have to do with a stealth campaign for the X-files movie.

[NJCher]

26. to turtlensue

I'd like to know why you think technological advancement and moral/ethical/philosophical et al advancement go hand in hand. Why do you think that? That is what you're saying and I don't think that is the case at all.

In fact, if you read on technology and our own society, you will find plenty of thinkers that say that technology is making us dumber/less human/less innovative, etc.

So please, do answer that question.

Also, your remark about Sagan shows you know very little of what transpired with him later in his life.

Another thing, they don't "steal" cows. What they do is take certain organs as well as their blood and they do so in a bloodless fashion. They are also able to do it very fast.

And as far as peeping in windows, you would have to read up on abduction to understand that part.

Get your facts straight, please.



Cher

[PVnRT]

33. What does moral advancement have to do with what turtlensue said?

Furthermore, I would like to hear what "transpired" with Sagan later in his life.

Simply because people believe things doesn't make them true.

[NJCher]

85. read the entire thread

Another poster makes mention of it--should give you enough to find out about it. Google. is your friend.



Cher

[SidDithers]

48. Oh, delicious irony...

"Get your facts straight, please" in a post that also contains this gem:

Another thing, they don't "steal" cows. What they do is take certain organs as well as their blood and they do so in a bloodless fashion. They are also able to do it very fast.

Stop. Yer makin' my sides hurt.

Sid

[NJCher]

84. so why is it so funny?

Read up on the subject and you will find it's a fact. There are pictures, too, although the one I have is in a hard copy book. The cuts are made with a technology not known to us.



Cher

[defendandprotect]

58. Carl Sagan was an idiot on this issue . . . or bought and paid for . . .

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

69. Why?

Can you offer a counterargument? Or find a logical flaw in Sagan's argument?

[defendandprotect]

75. Because there is no basis to preclude what observers, witnesses are saying . . ..

and because there were offers out -- it looked like Sagan took the offer.

[Hugabear]

30. I believe there is life elsewhere, and this is NOT "LBN"

Believing that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe is a far cry different than believing that aliens are visiting our planet. Just the sheer distances involved alone make that an extremely remote possibility. And I repeat, that to this date, there is not one single shred of evidence of extraterrestrial activity. Not one.

Sorry, but a rash of UFO sightings is no more LBN than if suddenly there were a rash of Bigfoot sightings in the Northwest.

Now if someone were to capture or kill a Bigfoot, and it were scientifically verified, that would certainly be Late Breaking News. Likewise, if an alien craft lands at the White House, UN, or any other location, or we get undeniable, scientifically accepted proof of aliens visiting us, then that would also qualify.

[NJCher]

32. if you ever decide to read up on the subject

you'll find there's plenty of evidence.



Cher

[Hugabear]

39. I've read plenty on the subject

Got anything that has stood up to serious scientific scrutiny?

Just because something is currently "unexplained" does not mean that it's extraterrestrial. There are many religious people who believe that UFOs are piloted by demons, trying to confuse mankind. Why is their belief any less valid?

Give me solid PROOF.

[Occulus]

54. How do you define "solid proof"?

Parts?

[Hugabear]

76. How about something that can be independently corroborated by scientists around the world?

That's pretty much the scientific standard, I believe.

Why is it that we demand proof in just about any scientific field, but when it comes to UFOs, suddenly we're supposed to take eyewitness testimony and fuzzy photographs as "proof"?

[Bill McBlueState]

50. about the number of views

Citing the number of thread views is hardly evidence that people share your particular view of the topic.

I bet a lot of the views are by people who think threads like these are a good source of humor.

[NJCher]

83. perhaps you're not aware

attribution theory? If not, you should look into it. Educated people don't make statements like what you made.



Cher

[Bill McBlueState]

88. If you want to give the impression that you know what you're talking about...

You should actually refute my argument, instead of snarkily telling me to do it myself.

[Phred42]

37. Actually the UFO reports go back thousands of years

[defendandprotect]

59. Right ...even longer than that--!! In fact, one of the first discussions that . . .

the native Americans tried to have with Columbus was about the starships --

Columbus denied them ---

[bluesmail]

47. yes, and I've never gotten a satisfacory explanation for

Chem Trails. Would like to know WTF IS GOING ON. Before my departure from this planet. Not a joke. Not a laughing matter.

[defendandprotect]

68. 60 years? Hardly, UFO's appear in early paintings .. . .

UFO's appear in 20,000 year old cave drawings ---

Here's a 7,000 b.c. plate with an "alien" ---

http://www.crystalinks.com/ufohistory.html

Oral history of the native American -- among many others -- gives evidence of the

ships and the visiors.

[a la izquierda]

72. and nobody has come up with a good explanation

for the Nazca lines. there's no reason for why they can only be seen from the air.

[defendandprotect]

73. Yes . . . that's another interesting story . . .

[anigbrowl]

82. They can actually be seen from the ground

They're on a plain, surrounded by hills. Look them up on Google earth and then zoom out a bit.

http://www.hallofmaat.com/modules.php?name=Articles&file=article&sid=96

[Lorien]

4. I saw a few here in Florida about 12 years ago

and my father and his friends have seen cigar shaped UFOs zipping and hovering around in Ohio off and on for decades now. But I haven't seen any now since 1995. It's odd how sightings seem to go in fits and spurts in various places.No idea what's behind those craft, or why they are where they are. If they are beings from another planet or dimension, then I wish that they would just land on the whitehouse lawn and bitch slap some sense into our "leaders"!

[defendandprotect]

60. Evidently, there were meetings --- Eisenhower is said to have participated .. .

but those in control of our nation --- those who treasure violence and materialism --

preferred to go their own way . . . i.e., Star Wars. It's a long time dream of theirs!


Supposedly, since they couldn't be stopped --- and no one on our side was listening to

reason -- there was an agreement re "abductions" . . . as long as followed by amnesia.

And the names of the abductees to be supplied to our government.

Presumably at this very early point, they well understood that Global Warming was in our

future and discussed "energy alternatives" --- we weren't interested in that either.

So --- given patriarchal violence and our stupidity . . . I don't think you'll ever see

them on the White House lawn again....




Florida has been a popular place to see UFO's . . . what kind did you see?

Singular or multiples?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

propbably our drone spy aircraft?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

5. propbably our drone spy aircraft?

[angrycarpenter]

6. I was abducted by aliens

No I wasn't because there are no aliens.

Remember when there was a rash of sightings Cal. and it turned out to be stealth bombers being tested? I bet they have something much better now. Low altitude, slow speed stealth would be handy.

[screembloodymurder]

8. The UFOs are Chinese lanterns.

They're being released at graduation ceremonies.

[Pale Blue Dot]

10. World Governments, Air Traffic Controllers, Space Agencies,

Companies with satellites, and anyone with a telescope won't be able to keep this quiet for much longer!

Klaatu barada nikto!

[defendandprotect]

61. Yeah . . . how amazing that with all the sightings . . . supposedly people

watching from those huge telescopes have never seen anything . . . !!!


:eyes:

[crikkett]

11. I think it's new aircraft in development

just a hunch

[defendandprotect]

71. Yep . . . 60 years after Kenneth Arnold saw nine flying saucers skipping around

the Cascade Range near Mt. Ranier --

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case511.htm

CRESCENT shaped ---

We've duplicated them . . .

and, we're hiding that fact by flying them all over England ---

and using them to attack British helicopters and airliners?

[slackmaster]

12. Dry-cleaning bags filled with marsh gas

[Duppers]

15. that story was not 'scrubbed'; the cache give you this....

"Something interesting. When I did a Google News search, a story that came up said, "Military UFOs: The Truth
Wired News - 8 hours ago
What the conspiracy theorists have been saying for years is true: There are UFOs out there in space -- operated by the US military, and manufactured by ..."
However, one cannot get to this story. It has been scrubbed, I do believe. This is what I got when I clicked:
Not Found "The requested URL /defense/2008/07/militarys-own-u.html was not found on this server."
I went to Wired News to see if I could find the story there under another name but was unsuccessful."

You didn't ck the 'cache'....here's what it gives you:

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It's official. What the conspiracy theorists have been saying for years is true: There are UFOs out there in space -- operated by the US military, and manufactured by Boeing in El Segundo, California at a cost of over $1.9 billion. (And you thought it was Lockheed?)

Check it out for yourself. But be warned: UFOs are rarely what they seem...

"The U.S. Navy began replacing and upgrading its ultra-high frequency (UHF) satellite communications network during the 1990s with a constellation of customized satellites built by Hughes Space and Communications Company, which is now Boeing. Known as the UHF Follow-On (UFO) series, these 601 model satellites support the Navy's global communications network, serving ships at sea and a variety of other U.S. military fixed and mobile terminals."

It's not clear who decided on the name. But lines like "the UFO spacecraft has proven to be a very flexible platform for the evolution of critical advanced DOD communications services" are certainly eye-catching. Maybe the idea was give a little zing to an otherwise-ordinary project. Kind of like the product-tracking company that calls itself Alien Technology; the latest headline on their website is about a deal with "The Largest Sock Manufacturer In Europe."

Meanwhile, back on Earth, the House of Lords here in London due to give their decision on an extradition case involving Gary McKinnon. He's the British hacker whose online spree allegedly involved breaking into 73,000 US government computers, including the Army, Navy and NASA -- all in search of flying saucers.

McKinnon's approach could have been more rigorous, as he explained to British journalist Jon Ronson:

"The Americans have a secret spaceship?" I ask.

"That's what this trickle of evidence has led me to believe..."

"What were the ship names?"

"I can't remember," says Gary. "I was smoking a lot of dope at the time. Not good for the intellect."

In an interview with Wired News last month, McKinnon claimed that NASA satellite imagery of the Earth frequently contains pictures of UFOs which are airbrushed out of the final image. By hacking into a NASA computer, he says he managed to get a peek at one.

I had remote control of their desktop, and by adjusting it to 4-bit color and low screen resolution, I was able to briefly see one of these pictures. It was a silvery, cigar-shaped object with geodesic spheres on either side. There were no visible seams or riveting.


Unfortunately, he did not manage to save a copy of this picture.

All of which leads me to believe that, impressive as McKinnon's hacking skills may be, his information may be a bit suspect. He started from the point of believing that the US government was covering up UFOs. Therefore, a strange object on a satellite image is an alien spacecraft. When he finds a file marked 'non-terrestrial officers,' he assumes they must be spacemen. The names of ships not listed elsewhere must refer to a secret fleet spaceships.

In reality, there are people out there calling their satellites UFOs, dubbing tracking devices Alien Technology and indulging in other mischievous acts of naming. And Pentagon documents are invariably written as a dense thicket of acronyms and jargon -- they probably wouldn't a term anything like as lucid as 'non-terrestrial.'

Intelligence gathering requires intelligence, and I'm not convinced McKinnon has shown too much of that. But he has managed to embarrass a lot of people responsible for security, so if the Lords do decide to hand him over, I suspect he really will be facing a 70-year sentence.

And if you think you've found UFOs on the internet... double-check.
>>>>>>>>>>>>


The story above is a really dumb post, I think, and discrediting to the UFO theory. HOWEVER, I've seen one of the suckers, so I'm not yelling they don't exist. I just have no idea what they are.

And, btw, any of you naysayers have any technical degrees? Or have done any extensive research on the subject?

[TZ]

18. uhhh is Carl Sagan technical enough for you?

Read his STUFF about UFO's and you would understand why so many of us are skeptical..And I have a science degree and am experienced in interpreting data. I think that gives me SOME credibility here, besides being an amateur astronomer.

[Duppers]

22. exception noted

I've read Carl Sagan extensively. He once said that he thought the chances of intelligent life else where in the universe were practically nil. He later edited that opinion.

I'll find the quotes later if you wish.

[JuniperLea]

52. Are you referring to Sagan's earlier works?

Or the latter? Seems he may have had a change of heart. He changed his mind and said he erred on a few things...

http://ufos.about.com/od/ufoskepticprofiles/p/carlsagan.htm


Marihuana Opened Mind:
Carl Sagan was an avid user of marijuana, although he never publicly admitted it during his life. Under the pseudonym "Mr. X," he wrote an essay concerning cannabis smoking in the 1971 book "Marihuana Reconsidered," whose editor was Lester Grinspoon. In the essay Sagan commented that marijuana encouraged some of his works and enhanced experiences. After Sagan's death, Grinspoon disclosed this to Sagan's biographer Keay Davidson.

His Later Life:
Late in his life, Sagan's books developed his skeptical, naturalistic view of the world. In The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark, he presented tools for testing arguments and detecting fallacious or fraudulent ones, essentially advocating wide use of the scientific method. In The Demon-Haunted World, Sagan gave a list of errors he had made (including his predictions about the effects of the Kuwaiti oil fires) as an example of how science is self-correcting.

[NJCher]

27. thank you

I was very curious about that.



Cher

[Q3JR4]

19. I would like to point out that

Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) does not necessarily point to "flying saucer." The fact that you don't know what is flying above you doesn't make whatever it is extraterrestrial in nature.

Q3JR4.

[Duppers]

23. Word !

thanks for reminding us! :)

[Orrex]

20. Chuck Norris welcomes our alien visitors

He wants to fight them here so that he doesn't have to fight them there.

[TZ]

21. Chuck Norris thinks aliens

are illegals that need to be kicked out of this country..What? Oh Chuck Norris thought you were talking about *other* types of aliens

[truthisfreedom]

24. Here's google's cached page for that "scrubbed" military page:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:tarSvpJ3YFQJ:technorati.com/blogs/blog.wired.com/defense+/defense/2008/07/militarys-own-u.html&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a

[Occulus]

56. Wired link:

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/07/militarys-own-u.html

[Exultant Democracy]

25. UFO sightings always surge when the economy slows down

[anigbrowl]

43. Bingo. .nt

[deaniac21]

28. I think this news would go squarely in Kurt Vonnegut's

"who gives a flying fuck" category.

[Hissyspit]

31. "Something very bizarre is happening in the skies over the UK."

Um, not necessarily. There may be nothing at all unusual happening in the skies over the UK. What is unusual may be people's behavioral patterns - there may be an increase in reports for faddish or cultural reasons (see post #25). Bad critical thinking on that guy's part, but I'm sure his confirmation bias may be hard at work. Of course, it may very well be new weapons development by the government, but the guy has no proof of that.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

34. Is Elvis doing a lot of gigs around Britian?

Or, are the Brits spending too much time at the pubs?

[jakem]

35. Like this confirmed sighting!

Police in South Wales, UK, were dispatched to respond to a 999 emergency call to investigate a "bright stationary object" in the sky above a concerned citizen's home. The BBC News posted a recording and transcript of the conversation between the control room, the caller, and the police:
Control: "Alpha Zulu 20, this object in the sky, did anyone have a look at it?"

Officer: "Yes, it's the moon. Over."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7489457.stm

[Phoonzang]

36. Why is the answer to every UFO sighting now US drone

aircraft? It's like the swamp gas or Venus of the 21st century. I didn't know what drones glow or aimlessly fly around with their lights on. :eyes:

[Echo In Light]

38. Something's not quite adding up one way or the other

As a sidenote, my wife and I stumbled across this odd little doc film which is basically just a lengthy interview with actor Dan Aykroyd about his belief in UFOs, interspersed with various sighting footage. Interesting footage.

Dan Aykroyd - Unplugged on Ufo'sDetailsMore from userDan Aykroyd - Unplugged on Ufo's - 81 min - Feb 7, 2007

Hollywood star Dan Aykroyd, who is a believer in the existence and government cover-up of alie...all » If you like this film, please buy the DVD. Hollywood star Dan Aykroyd, who is a believer in the existence and government cover-up of alien life-forms, hosts this look into the phenomenon of UFO sightings. Akroyd shares his personal experiences in this field and also discusses recent findings with author and UFOlogist David Sereda. DAN AYKROYD UNPLUGGED ON UFOS features UFO footage as well as testimonial material from Astronaut Gordon Cooper and others, including former president Ronald Reagan. Note: Dan has the photo and video material of the famous O'hare sighting in his possession. This features will be presented is his new documentary.«

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8993422112864357113

[zippy890]

40. kicking cuz I love this stuff

thanks for posting.

[mr blur]

41. Same as it ever was....

(and The Telegraph is just the Daily Mail for intellectuals)

[Jeroen]

42. Capturing the Light (video) 45 min - 7 jul. 2008

Capturing the Light - 45 min - 7 jul. 2008


Meet Dorothy Izatt. A mild-mannered, loving, mother and grandmother. She raised a family who now has their own. They are the picture of a perfect family. But there is a secret they’ve had to live with their whole lives... that mom has an ongoing relationship with otherworldly beings for over 30 years. And she can prove it. There has never been a case study like this! Dorothy Izatt’s phenomenon surpasses the most notorious alien abduction cases aka contactees. Unlike Whitley Strieber (Communion), Travis Walton (Fire in the Sky), and the Betty and Barney Hill case... Dorothy has FILMED her experiences. Thirty years in the making and armed with over 30,000 feet of film, Dorothy is now ready to share her story of contact with the world.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8336915666858984086

[anigbrowl]

45. Oh dear...

I'm pretty sure I can explain exactly what's going on here, but somehow I suspect I won't be popular if I do so.

[Jeroen]

46. Please do, I am curious about your explanation

[anigbrowl]

79. OK. Sorry for the delay...

I had other business most of the day.

To be specific, this is just going to be about the flashes of light on the single frames of the lady's film. I can't go through and address every last thing in the video, I don't have time or the original material. So this is just the obvious thing (to me anyway).

OK, when you look at these pictures you see images like this:


This is just some random picture I pulled from Flickr. Forget the scenery, look at the pattern of the light trails. I kept noticing similar patterns over and over as I watched the lady's film. You see how the streaks of light all have the same shape? That's an indication that the camera was moving during the taking of the photo. Over and over as I watched the video, I kept noticing these repeated shapes. There's be fairly static pictures of 3 or 4 lights, then a frame with 3 or 4 streaks that had similar shapes. I'd keep trying to look at these pictures non-judgmentally, and my brain would just keep saying 'but that's camera shake. You've seen it a million times.'

OK - but there were a production designer, a visual effects guy, and a cinematographer who all swore there was no way she could have created this effect with computers or developing equipment. Quite true. What I found strange was that nobody considered the possibility that it arises out of a fault in the camera.

Now, I know something about film (aka movie) cameras (video too, but I am nostalgic about film cameras). I've shot with 8mm cameras, 16mm cameras, and 35mm cameras. I'm not a cinematographer, but I do work in the film world and I've owned 8mm and 16mm cameras, and am able to perform basic maintenance and repairs on them. So I sometimes buy a broken camera on eBay if I am pretty sue what's wrong with it, fix it, and maybe make a few bucks. Or not. I just like fixing things, and I like the feel of shooting film although it's too expensive for me to do regularly.

Well, what I see here is called a 'registration problem'. The lady is shooting with an 8mm camera. Hard to say which model, but most such cameras shoot film that is called 'super 8'. It has holes just down one side of the film stock, and you get a bigger (=better) picture by exposing the other side of the film (where there are no holes) than just a square in the center.




Got the idea? OK, so now you know what sort of film we're talking about. Incidentally, it does still get used in Hollywood sometimes - for flashback scenes to give an old feel, or occasionally in crash cams, where you put a cheapish camera in a car and then crash it (or suchlike). If it's only 1/2 a second the audience won't necessarily notice the quality issue.

Anyway, the way a film camera works is there's a motor (electric or sometimes wind-up) turning gears which open the shutter and move the film along, sometimes using pins or sometimes a clamp mechanism. And what I think is happening in these single-frame 'flash' pictures is that the mechanism is momentarily jamming, leaving the shutter open and letting the film be over-exposed. It could be for a very short time, like 1/9th, 1/6th or 1/3 of a second (I choose these numbers because Super 8 is normally shot at 18 frames per second, as is mentioned in the film).

The film has all the qualities of being over exposed (when the video stops on a frame long enough to let you look), and the repeating patterns described above would also be consistent with the momentary shake while the shutter is open for too long. The streaks in some other examples which look like lines of dashes would be consistent with a light source flashing while moving - for example, some lights on planes or the indicator lamp on a moving car.

Please note, I'm saying that that's the sort of image you'd get if you over-exposed a picture of such a light source at night. I don't know enough about this lady's house or even where it is to make any guesses about what the particular lights are, although I did see some blinking red lights on one segment that I'm pretty sure are hazard lights on an industrial or communications tower designed to warn pilots about the structure.

My guess is that the specific thing with the camera is that it has a broken gear tooth which causes the shutter mechanism to jam open briefly, and not too often. Bear in mind that gears are designed by engineers to use numbers of teeth which will spread wear evenly over the gear, so a damaged tooth on a gear does not mean that such a shutter error would occur every second or even regularly. Camera film is not tensioned tightly inside a movie camera (as it would break easily) so the problem could be quite intermittent. It might only occur when the film tension is above or below a certain threshold, or under a variety of other conditions. Without knowing which exact film camera she is using I can't make more specific guesses, but you've ever looked at a clockwork mechanism or even an old film-winding camera you can get an idea of what I'm referring to.

There are two ways to test this: one is simply to give the lady a different camera. They still make super-8 cameras, and you can get used ones very cheaply on eBay. If the flash frames go away with a different camera, that's a strong clue. The second way is to examine the patterns of light which I say are caused by camera shake.


New, very expensive

Old, cheap

This is even easier: loan the lady a tripod and a cable release (so you can keep filming without pressing down the button on the front of the camera dn possibly shaking it. Most cameras have these, they're a $10 part). Leave it set up on the deck or wherever she usually films, Or even use one of the small portable ones which can be easily attached and are very lightweight. If she hears the noise and gets the idea to film, she just points the camera at the lights, starts it, and lets the camera sit still on the tripod. Wiggly lines go away = proof wiggles are caused by movement due to handheld filming.

You could them measure the size of any light blooms on the film frame, deduce (by looking at the films response curve - example below) how long the overexposure was, and from there you should be able to predict with some accuracy about where the gearing fault is (if it is a gear, as opposed to a spring or some other component). I don't want to destroy the old lady's camera looking for a mechanical fault since it probably has sentimental value for her.

[windoe]

53. Cough it up then, what do you think?

Fancy meeting you here, as per usual :)

[anigbrowl]

80. Oh hi windoe...missed your message earlier

Hope my other reply above makes sense.

[Duppers]

62. this woman negates much of her credibility by throwing in her religious

beliefs and the woo-woo stuff.

However, this is an interesting doc regarding the upcoming doc film. I'll watch it.


Btw, folks, how is it that many can trash anyone with an open mind about this subject but still believe in their 'sky-being' god, for which there is NO proof??? Uh???

[defendandprotect]

65. ...excellent question . . . . !!!

Yep . . . very little film on that "sky-god" ... !!!

"Faith-based sky-god" . . .

[Duppers]

66. yep, no 30,000 feet of film of the "Faith-based sky-god", is there?!

Years ago, I saw something very similar to the 'big thing' that this lady filmed which is shown near the last of that google clip.



Btw, IF I had seen a huge bright light that boomed "I am god" I think I'd be more inclined to think there is a sky-god. But I cannot mustard any 'faith' in any thing.

[defendandprotect]

64. Interesting . . . in quite a different way from the usual stories .. ...

Her films are very beautiful -

I think the experiences with the daughter and her sighting --- and the dual play
outside the window --- even more intriguing.

[SidDithers]

49. The plural of anecdote is not data...nt

Sid

Edit: speeling

[Fox Mulder]

51. It really bothers me...

when people say that we who believe in UFOs (with extraterrestrial origins) are "nuts" and "wackos".

You know, instead of criticizing those who believe, why not help so we can get credible evidence on what these UFOs really are?

[TZ]

63. Most do...by going through and trying to figure out

what could explain these appearances besides 'its a light in the sky so it MUST be aliens.
I doubt there is anyone here who actually thinks we are alone in the universe, what many skeptics think is that alot of people leap to conclusions based on faulty premises and wishful thinking.
I would like to think there is intelligent life we could communicate with, I just understand that the science and the so-called "proofs" are very thin and sketchy and don't make the case for this scenario.
Having multiple proven hoaxes doesn't make skeptics anymore likely to believe either.

[defendandprotect]

67. The UFO's are obviously under "intelligent" control . . . that's always been obvious...

meanwhile, many experience sightings where "aliens" are visible in the windows ---

Others --- at least 1,500 a year since the 1960's have reported being "abducted."

Roswell is also ONE of the many events which occur near military bases ---

and, again, here we have hundreds of witnesses who tell us of being threatened

by our military --- and of seeing "alien" bodies.


Many military people have come forward to tell us that they were also involved in many

ways in this event and others --- and that their experiences included seeing "alien"

bodies -- in fact, I think there was one survivor.


Roswell seems to have an especially courageous citizenry --- they tried immediately

to tell us the truth of what was happening there --- Brazel, I think was the rancher

on whose property most of the debris landed -- and we see the usual being held

incommunicado, intensive pressure -- and finally a retraction.


No -- I don't think the majority of the citizens are conspiring together ---

or that this event is unrelated to the hundreds and hundreds of events around the

world which suggest similar experiences.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

70. Millions of children visit Santa every year since the 1960s.

They sit on his lap and tell him what they want for Christmas.

Every year NORAD tracks his magical flying sleigh by radar, they even report it on credible news sources.

Therefore, it's obvious there's a magical elf living in a house at the North Pole.

[defendandprotect]

74. And billions proclaim there is a "god" --- I'll take the UFO's -- more believable . . .

more visual evidence for UFO's . . .

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

89. Lots of people have seen God too.

So why do you believe in UFOs, but not God or Santa?

[anigbrowl]

81. What sort of help do you want?

In this case, what you need to do is obvious; rent a high quality camera and a tripod, wait for the lights to show up, then point the camera at them. I'll tell ya, the #1 THING most serious UFO investigators should do is carry a portable tripod and put the damn camera on it whenever they shoot video or take a photograph. Handheld video screams 'amateur'. This one thing would double UFO hunters' credibility overnight. I don't care if it's just an interview or what. Just use a damn tripod and keep the camera still.

[OneBlueSky]

55. they're ba-a-a-a-a-a-ck! . . . n/t

.

[defendandprotect]

57. Thanks for the info --- and, of course, this is a very serious subject. . .

Astronaut Ed Mitchell was just on the Larry King Show the other night making clear

how serious.

I can only presume that Global Warming conditions -- even if they only begin to effect

our food supplies -- are something they are watching.


Because of the violence of our leaders, in the end I wouldn't expect to ever see a

UFO presense made clear --- I think they'll monitor and make off with their "abductees"

and leave ---


Patriarchal violence has doomed us ---

[Kaleko]

77. A friend of mine posted this on a semi-private forum some months ago.

This is part of his original post. The bolding is mine.

A number of years ago, I was in an unusual position that allowed me to hear testimony that probably many people haven't heard. I was working as a court reporter and was asked to transcribe a number of interviews with military officials, again in preparation for a meeting that was going to be taking place with government employees in the US capital in several months. For fun, and hoping I'm not breaking any rules here, I'm going to quote from one of the transcripts I made. I will change the names just to be safe.


~*~


COL. D: I am L.D., Colonel, U.S.A.F., retired. I got a bachelor of science degree, and then the Air Force sent me to the _______ Business School to study management, and then promptly assigned me to Washington, DC. And I served in the Chief of Staff's Office for orientation, and then they put me into the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission where I became responsible for maintaining the inventory of the accountability of the nuclear weapon stockpile and involved in the security and the - you might say, auditing the manufacturing facilities and the storage facilities for all the nuclear weapons in the U.S. And while I was there, I had my first incident with UFOs, which, in mid-July, they flew over Washington, DC, and I saw my first nine UFOs.


INTERVIEWER: What year was this?


COL. D: It was July of 1952. And, of course, during that period of time I made a lot of contacts. I was a staff officer for the military liaison committee between the chairman of the AEC and the Secretary of Defense. And so, I became acquainted with not only the Army, Navy, and Air Force, but civilian agencies, the CIA, the National Security Agency, and other contacts which I developed. During that period of time, one of my functions was to accompany a security team, which visited all of the nuclear facilities to check on the security of weapons. And we were getting reports of visits by UFOs over the storage facilities and even some of the manufacturing facilities. And that went on continuously.

Now, we found that the reports - the formal reports were few and far between, but security people were reluctant to report many of them because the protocol and the bureaucracy involved in reporting them - they just avoided reporting.


Later, I was assigned to the Sandia Corporation as a military liaison, and I was involved in establishing a quality assurance program for the manufacture and the quality and the maintenance of their nuclear weapons. So we had to visit all of the manufacturing facilities such as and the Pantex facility, which assembled the nuclear components of . And so, there again, we observed the UFOs, who were very much interested in the facilities that we were visiting. But we did get constant referrals. What are all these UFOs hovering there for?


And so, then, after that - this was during the 1950s, through the entire ‘50s. Then I was assigned to the United Pacific Command under Admiral Phelps during the ‘60s, and I was the officer in charge of the alternate command post involved with nuclear weapon operation planning. And during that period of time, I was - I maintained contacts with NORAD, with the SAC operations, involved operational plans for the use of nuclear weapons. And during this period of time, I also learned of a number of incidents which happened.


And then further on I finally retired from the Air Force and joined the Boeing Company, where I was assigned to the Minute Man program where I was responsible for the configuration accounting of all the nuclear fleet, the Minute Man One, Two, and Three. And during that period of time, I also learned about incidents involving nuclear weapons. And among these incidents were a couple of nuclear weapons sent into space that were destroyed by the extraterrestrials. But in talking to various contacts throughout, they would allude to the fact that these did happen. There was - for example, the missile - a Minute Man missile was destroyed at the launch from Vandenberg Air Force Base. That's now a matter of public record.


Well, the one incident, for example, was they actually photographed the UFO following the missile as it climbed into space and shining a beam of light on it, which neutralized the missile. And this was recorded. It was all hushed up. And they split up the team that observed it, but of course eventually the news came out. And it was later published, and we confirmed it…


~*~


This is just an excerpt from the interview. He also talked about a number of other incidents, some of which he witnessed firsthand. He also described the study of extraterrestrial artifacts at Los Alamos and Livermore that he knew about. He closed the interview by saying that there were quite a few people like him who were getting up in years and who were just tired of not talking about these experiences, and he believed that “sooner or later the truth will come out.”

Some of you here might actually deduce Colonel "L.D.'s" identity from the research they've done. I haven't pursued that personally. Too much else going on everywhere :)

[Muttocracy]

78. How to people even know where to report them, unless they're expecting to see them? nt

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

86. Fuck's sake.

"Some experts believe it could be linked to global warming and craft from outer space are appearing because they are concerned about what man is doing to this planet."

Experts? Experts believe? Jeesh.

[Kaleko]

90. Reminder for experiencers and researchers in Denver

Dr. Steven Greer will be speaking in Denver Colorado this evening (July 9th) at 7:30 pm (doors open at 7 pm). Cost is $5 at the door. Please see the Disclosure Project web site for the details. http://www.DisclosureProject.org/Events.htm

He will also be speaking in Montreal at the International Institute of Integral Sciences (IIIHS) conference - web site: www.iiihs.org




• Denver, CO - 7:30 pm, Wednesday, July 9, 2008:
Steven M. Greer MD, the founder and director of The Disclosure Project (www.DisclosureProject.org) will be in Denver CO on July 9, 2008 at Turnhalle in the Tivoli.

Dr. Greer will be presenting a summary of over 500 government, military, intelligence and corporate witnesses to UFO events and projects and will be discussing the implications of the issue. Dr. Greer, who has personally briefed heads of state, members of Congress, a sitting CIA Director and other senior government officials on the UFO matter will provide an overview of the subject and expose the reasons behind the continuing secrecy.

Key to this secrecy is the existence of Unacknowledged Special Access Projects (USAPs) that operate outside of Presidential and Congressional oversight and that are beholden to special interests in the corporate, financial and energy sectors.

The energy and propulsion systems used by so-called UFOs (or extraterrestrial vehicles) has been studied for over 60 years using taxpayer funds and the disclosure of this vital information would completely replace the need for oil, gas, coal and nuclear power.

Dr. Greer states that “In light of the growing energy and environmental crisis, it is imperative that the people of the United States know the truth and work to see that full Disclosure occurs as soon as possible. The mistake of classifying as top secret this information in the 1940s and 1950s has now resulted in a genuine world emergency that requires the thoughtful attention of every concerned citizen.”

More here: http://www.disclosureproject.org/Events.htm