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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 05:15 PM
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Poll question: Do you believe the U.S. has any legitimate basis...
Edited on Tue Jul-08-08 05:16 PM by Mr_Jefferson_24
for imposing a naval blockade against Iran that would require "stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran; and prohibiting the international movement of all Iranian officials not involved in negotiating the suspension of Iran’s nuclear program” as mandated by HR 362?

And secondly, do you believe AIPAC wields way too much influence over U.S. House and Senate members?


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HR 362 and the Alarming Escalation of Hostility Towards Iran

by Alan Nasser

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The Demands of HR 362

HR 362, sponsored by Rep. Gary Ackerman, a New York Democrat, calls for the president to enact more draconian economic sanctions against Iran. These include an embargo against any imports of refined petroleum. (While Iran is of course a major exporter of oil, it imports at least 40% of its refined petroleum.) The wording of the Resolution is chilling in the extreme: “Congress… demands that the President initiate an international effort to immediately and dramatically increase the economic, political and diplomatic pressure on Iran to verifiably suspend its nuclear enrichment activities by… prohibiting the export to Iran of all refined petroleum products; imposing stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran; and prohibiting the international movement of all Iranian officials not involved in negotiating the suspension of Iran’s nuclear program.” The resolution is moving quickly through the House and could pass as early as this week.

The “stringent inspection requirements” listed would require a naval blockade, thereby constituting an act of war. And this is how the resolution would be perceived by virtually all Iranians. The result would surely marginalize moderates in Iran who would shun retaliatory measures against the Bush administration’s aggressive rhetoric, which has been escalating since fall of 2007. Iranians would unify behind their most belligerent leaders and the country would have been handed, by the president and Congress, powerful reasons to develop nuclear weapons for purposes of deterrence.

The final clause of the Resolution contains a classic example of political doubletalk: “… nothing in this Resolution shall be construed as an authorization of the use of force against Iran.” But an embargo-with-inspections scheme can be put in effect only by means of a blockade, which logically entails the use of force.

Congressional Democrats, the IAEA and Factual Falsehoods in HR 362

There is more support now than there was a year ago in Congress, especially among the Democrats, for military action against Iran. Thus HR 362’s co-sponsors include 96 House Democrats and 111 House Republicans. These are the same Democrats whom Americans voted into Congress, in November 2006, as majorities in both houses, based on what voters believed to be the Democrats’ opposition to war in the Middle East.

To add insult to injury, HR 362 justifies its content with demonstrably false accusations about Iran’s nuclear program. The Resolution charges that Iran’s importing and manufacturing of centrifuges are “covert” and “illicit.” But under both the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, to which Iran is a signatory, and Iran’s agreements with the U.N.’s nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), these activities are entirely permitted. The IAEA has publicly stated its support of Iran’s uranium enrichment program, which it states is in full accord with all treaty requirements to which Iran is subject.

Late last October IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei remarked to CNN: “Have we seen Iran having the nuclear material that can be readily used into a weapon? No. Have we seen an active weaponization program? No. … I very much have concern building confrontation, because that would lead to a disaster. I see no military solution. The only durable solution is through negotiations and inspections. My fear is that if we continue to escalate from both sides that we would end up on a precipice, we would end up in an abyss.” ElBaradei’s most recent statements repeatedly echo these October remarks.

The Role of AIPAC

That HR 362 has been so warmly received on Capitol Hill is a sad testimony to Congress’s willing dependence on external interests which cannot be assumed to be identical to those of most Americans. The Resolution is known to have been initially drafted by the American-Israeli lobby AIPAC. In early June AIPAC sent more than a thousand lobbyists to Congress to whip up support for this Resolution.

Congress’s well known subordination to AIPAC’s agenda should not be construed as a democratic response to the wishes of the American Jewish community. Polls show that more than 80% of Jewish-Americans oppose an attack on Iran. Congress’s compliance to AIPAC’s interests amounts to obeisance to a foreign State, not to any domestic constituency. . . .



http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/08/10204/




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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 07:51 PM
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1. Kick for a larger sample.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 08:03 PM
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2. No. Yes. n/t
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 10:47 PM
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3. Kick for a larger sample.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 07:23 AM
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4. Kick for a larger sample.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 02:07 PM
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5. Kick for a larger sample.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 04:09 PM
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6. No and yes n/t
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-08 08:09 PM
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7. Kick for a larger sample.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 09:52 PM
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8. Kick for a larger sample.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 09:56 PM
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9. Entering, not departing and Yes.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 10:01 PM
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10. We have to get control of right-wing Fundi Israel -- Bush has pushed this insanity . . .
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 10:03 PM
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11. I hope that everyone keeps in mind that naval blockade = an act of war
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:28 PM
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15. Not if authorized by the UN
and the resolution does specifically mention an international effort.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 04:01 PM
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16. The UN will not authorize a naval blockade of Iran
Russia and China will not support that.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 07:02 PM
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18. Perhaps
my only point is that a there is such a thing a legal blockade.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:45 AM
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12. Why not
Kennedy declared a Naval blockade of Cuba.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 07:10 AM
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13. At this point you should have just stopped the Poll at Does the US have a legitimate basis?
That about covers it.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:18 PM
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14. Yes that does pretty well cover it.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 04:11 PM
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17. Legitimacy doesn't necessarily confer justification.
It was legal for Hitler to take the Sudetanland

It was legal to have to slaves

It is legal to kill women for adultery in some countries

It was legal for the United States to invade Iraq

etc, etc, etc.

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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 08:00 PM
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19. The U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq were/are both illegal...
Edited on Fri Jul-11-08 08:03 PM by Mr_Jefferson_24
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1Khut8xbXK8

That said, I get your point and agree -- many horrific and barbaric acts have been committed in human history that did not fall outside the letter of the law.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 08:29 PM
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20. I don't follow Israeli politics, but AP radio is reporting that Olmert could be gone in September.
Apparently there's some sort of scandal going on (I forget the details) and it's looking likely that he could resign and/or an election be called to get someone else. I hope they have another sane Labor candidate over there who can win, but what I really fear is that g-d damned fascist lunatic Netanyahu getting back in power. If that happens, count on World War III breaking out, regardless of what happens in our election :scared:
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 08:47 PM
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21. No, and No
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