**** OFFICIAL FISA THREAD 2 *****

[gateley]

Here's 1: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3586367&mesg_id=3586367

[helderheid]

1. rec 1

[Muttocracy]

2. Rockefeller continuing to waste time - summing up to vote down 3 amendments and vote yes. nt

[slipslidingaway]

3. K&R thanks for the threads n/t

[helderheid]

4. ditto on the thanks

[Muttocracy]

12. what comes after ditto? double ditto? :)

[Muttocracy]

5. Bill Nelson FL asking to speak or put statement in record - parliamentary confusion. nt

[LSK]

6. Bill Nelson wants to talk but theres no time remaining

[Muttocracy]

7. only a few minutes left - Cantwell, Feingold, may give some time to Nelson. nt

[Muttocracy]

10. Cantwell - "We're talking about spying on U.S. citizens"

[gateley]

8. Is it Murray or Cantwell? (I only have audio) Thanks!

[Sydnie]

16. Cantwell n/t

[slipslidingaway]

17. Cantwell n/t

[Sydnie]

9. Thank you gately n/t

[gateley]

18. Thanks to all of you who are participating!

I couldn't find any threads this morning and I'm so ON this, I was disappointed I wouldn't have my DU friends to "watch" with!

:hi:

I got out of bed early (for me) for the express purpose of tuning in. Takes a lot to get me up before noon. :7

[slipslidingaway]

11. Where is Obama, he did not speak on the floor in February as

well???

[Muttocracy]

15. he must be in town to vote? is McCain, the senator-on-leave from AZ? nt

[slipslidingaway]

39. Voting is not enough :( n/t

[gateley]

48. ....

:thumbsup:

[Muttocracy]

56. oh, I agree, just thinking he has even less excuse than primary season. nt

[slipslidingaway]

124. Agree! n/t

[gateley]

28. None of the three on the presidential campaign came back to speak --

and I'm still pissed at all three of them for it. Saying you support a filibuster and actually dragging your butt onto the Senate floor to DO something to help are two different things.

Even if there's no time allotted for Obama (and Clinton and Biden - the others who IMO need to make amends to Dodd) they should at least be sitting there showing solidarity.

This is a biggie with me. :grr:

[slipslidingaway]

44. Me too, saying and actually doing matter greatly. n/t

[redqueen]

114. A hugie.

[skooooo]

13. I can get the cspan site to work for me at all..

:(

[Muttocracy]

20. try stand-alone player? those usually work better for me:

http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

to the right of the window, RealPlayer working better than Windows Media for me today.

[skooooo]

21. I got it.

Thanks.
:hi:

[Muttocracy]

22. of course, right after I wrote that, audio going wacky

oh, wait, it's cause I opened that other link and had two going at once with a time delay

:rofl:

[Sydnie]

36. You can pick it up here too

http://www.LIVENEWSCAMERAS.COM/

They have CSPAN 1 & 2 there, but not 3.

[Breeze54]

14. K&R # 5 -- Who is this speaking?! Cantwell !

She's speaking for US!! She spoke about how this bill sucks and invades citizens privacy rights.

[pleah]

23. It was Cantwell.

[gateley]

29. Thanks. nt

[Breeze54]

35. Thanks... it's hard to read the names on the tiny RP screen....

:(

[Muttocracy]

38. stand-alone player is a little bigger on my computer. nt

[Mnemosyne]

19. Thank you gateley! TWC here moved c-span 2 from Ch. 14 to 100+.

It's supposed to be a public service channel, iirc, but only if you can afford a large cable bill I guess.

:hi:

[Sydnie]

24. You can get it right from the CSPAN site to stream it if your computer

can support it. :)

[slipslidingaway]

27. Comcast did the same here as well, keeping the people dumb

:(

[gateley]

40. I'm sorry - I meant to include the cspan link.

Hopefully you're THERE by now.

www.cspan.org

Link is on the front page.

I don't have cable either. We're in the minority. :7

[Muttocracy]

43. I don't have a TV - I'm beyond minority into weirdoland! :D

[Mist]

25. Cantwell making good point re: this is changing the judicial process. I'm huddled

over my computer as we have no TV reception now right now. (TWCable sux.) Thanks for the thread.

[skooooo]

33. heh us too..

Satellite Dish out of kilter.

:scared:

[Breeze54]

26. Of course Sen. Nelson, FL will support this.... argh!!!

:banghead:

[LSK]

30. he supports an amendment that would postpone immunity until investigations are done

[TwilightGardener]

31. Kit Bond--the REAL intelligence committee chairman. Rockefeller is his merely his sidekick.

[Muttocracy]

32. Bond quoting another Senator "unless you have Al-Qaeda on your speed dial" - no worry! sure!

[Mabus]

34. Kit Bond from Missouri

He actually appears to be somewhat sober at this point. They have to get him on before noon or else there's a chance he'll be half-looped.

[skooooo]

37. Are you serious?

3 martini lunches?

:rofl:

[Mabus]

42. I was with three other DU'ers last year and we saw Kit being helped up the street

He was having trouble maintaining an upright position. He's a drinker.

on edit: he was being helped up the street by a younger blond who was NOT his wife.

[bluesmail]

49. Well there's one thing they can black mail him on.

Must be scrolls worth.

[Mabus]

104. It's one of those things that people know but it never gets talked about

Here's a previous thread where several us were stunned that Bond appeared to be sober. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3518490

[Bozita]

52. any pics?

[Mabus]

I don't think so

fwiw, Kit showing up sober is enough of an event to warrant its own thread (from a while ago): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3518490

[robinlynne]

41. What is with the time limit? They are allowed to filibsuter if they want. Are they not?

They did not even let Feingold speak!!!!!!

[Muttocracy]

45. Feingold spoke earlier, had some reserve time I guess? - comments in thread 1

I tuned in after he was finished, so not sure if he really wanted more time?

[LSK]

50. Bond had 9 more minutes, Cantwell used up Feingolds time

[LSK]

46. Bond is comparing telling the Senate to telling the NYTimes

I guess he doesnt trust his fellow Senators.

[debbierlus]

55. Go Dodd. GO DODD. Go Dodd. GO DODD

Dodd rules.

[mikelgb]

47. it was such a good amendment, sorry to see it go

[Muttocracy]

51. can I make up my own Constitution too? great idea, Bond! nt

[Muttocracy]

53. Dodd back up - "my friend from MO has made my case - this is a matter for the judicial branch" nt

[Mist]

I like that Dodd pronounced "Missouri' correctly. Dodd saying there

shouldn't be any protection of "vacuuming up info."

Dodd says the argument is boiling down to a false argument.

Dodd: "The Congress is NOT a judicial branch."

[LSK]

54. Dodd, only 5 FISA requests have been denied since 1978

So why did Bush go around it?

[LSK]

57. Dodd: the US Senate should not act as the Courts

[Muttocracy]

59. Isn't Bond making Dodd's case yet again? talking about decades-old FISA powers as though new? nt

[gateley]

58. The rule of law or the rule of men - Dodd nt

[LSK]

60. vote on Amendment up now

[Muttocracy]

61. wish they were all there - I know some of them are working on other issues

but it drives me nuts how few actually hear each other speak

[robinlynne]

62. Dodd/Feingold ammendment?

[gateley]

63. Which amendment -- do you guys want a dedicated thread?

I've lost both audio and visual. :banghead:

[LSK]

65. Dodd Amendment I think, but there are 3 they will vote on

[Muttocracy]

64. This is the Dodd-Feingold Amdt - anyone give me the 2-sentence summary of it?

I'm having trouble keeping the amendments straight.

[robinlynne]

67. It removes telecom immunity!

[Muttocracy]

68. thanks.

[MiniMe]

70. I believe Dodd Feingold strips out immunity

[Breeze54]

72. No Retroactive Immunity

[LSK]

77. well I THINK this is it

11. S.AMDT.3907 to S.2248 To strike the provisions providing immunity from civil liability to electronic communication service providers for certain assistance provided to the Government.
Sponsor: Sen Dodd, Christopher J. (introduced 1/24/2008) Cosponsors (11)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/2008 Senate amendment not agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 3907 not agreed to in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 31 - 67. Record Vote Number: 15.


or


13. S.AMDT.3909 to S.2248 To require that certain records be submitted to Congress.
Sponsor: Sen Feingold, Russell D. (introduced 1/24/2008) Cosponsors (4)
Latest Major Action: 1/31/2008 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 3909 as modified agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.

Go to Senate.gov, then active Legislation, then search Fisa.

[Muttocracy]

85. thanks - DU beats any search engine :)

[Breeze54]

66. The Feingold/Dodd Amendment?

:shrug:

[robinlynne]

69. Yes. I'm holding my breath. This is it.

[helderheid]

73. Me too!

:scared:

[Breeze54]

80. I think a lot of us are holding our breath.....

Hi Robin. :hi:

[thewiseguy]

71. The amendment needs 60 votes to pass?

[robinlynne]

76. I dont know. How about 51?

[Jazzgirl]

81. Robin, I thought I heard they only needed a simple majority.

51?

[Muttocracy]

95. I think it's 60 - the filibuster threshold stopping debate again? c-span text says 60. nt

[thewiseguy]

82. No they are saying 60. Thats mission impossible.

[LSK]

84. I think so

[Muttocracy]

74. while they're voting...has Byrd spoken on this round of FISA? Is he OK these days?

[gateley]

83. When I was calling the Senators, his office said he was doing fine --

I asked if he was "back in the saddle" and they said yes. That's been a couple of weeks, though.

[gateley]

75. Are there a lot of people voting? (Lost my video). nt

[Muttocracy]

78. first round of roll-call, alphabetical, don't give results, few in the chamber, going fast. nt

[robinlynne]

87. 7 yes, 12 no, so far.

[Muttocracy]

92. and a number of the aye votes were Dems who spoke today

I hope there are more coming.

[Breeze54]

103. I didn't hear Feingold's name called yet, did you?

[Muttocracy]

120. yes - on next thread. nt

[robinlynne]

79. jsdut audio here. can't see the votes. jsut hear her calling the names.

[Muttocracy]

88. now coming in, voting with aye/no called out as they come in

only a few voted in the first round, read the aye votes too fast for me to catch.

[LSK]

89. dont worry, these things take forever

[helderheid]

86. ACK!!!

[gateley]

91. Where the hell is everybody? There were what, about a dozen initial votes?

More are coming it, but one would like to think this is important to our representatives.

[Mist]

Sounds like the "nays" have it. nt

[gateley]

93. I'm on the verge of tears. nt

[robinlynne]

96. I count 13 ayes so far.

[MiniMe]

108. The Aye's aren't as important as the nay's

I don't think they are going to achieve cloture.

[robinlynne]

90. little words on the screen say it needs 60 votes to pass.

[MiniMe]

98. Cloture

Not going to pass damnit. And there are at least 3 dems in the no column.

[MiniMe]

94. Dem No's so far for Dodd Feingold

Mikulski
Nelson of Florida
Bayh

edit: Add Johnson, I think that's Tim Johnson of SD

edit: Add Martinez

edit: Add Lincoln and Webb

Edit: Add McCaskill and Nelson of Nebraska

[helderheid]

99. ACK!!!!!!!!!

:mad:

[MiniMe]

113. Furball?

:rofl:

[helderheid]

121. LOL!

:P

[redqueen]

101. ack

ack ack ack

[LSK]

97. theres a Senator Bennett???

:shrug:

[Muttocracy]

106. Utah - had it look it up myself:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

[LSK]

111. I have been watching the Senate since 2004 and thats the 1st time I heard of him

:rofl:

[thewiseguy]

100. So how do they vote even when they are not there?

I dont see more than 30 people there.

[LSK]

107. they stream in and out of the room into the back

Theres entrances to the sides of the Speakers chair.

[robinlynne]

115. I think their aides call them and they run in and vote. like in the movies.

[robinlynne]

102. Did they vote on the actual bill yet? or ammendments first?

[Muttocracy]

109. this is 1st of 3 amendments, then the bill comes up (w/ any amendments) nt

[redirish28]

110. If I understand it Amendments first and this is the first amendment to be voted

[Breeze54]

116. I believe they're voting on the Feingold/Dodd Amendment now....

[SharonRB]

105. I'm having trouble getting the 'span to come up

Are they voting on the first amendment now?

[gateley]

118. Yes -- I lost video but there's an audio link if that works better for you,.

[Breeze54]

119. Yes!

[gateley]

112. *****THREAD 3 *****

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3587163

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

123. McCaskill changed her vote. What a big surprise.

:sarcasm:

[slipslidingaway]

117. Amendments....from Thomas

Voting on Dodd amendment

7/8/2008:
S.AMDT.5066 Amendment SA 5066 proposed by Senator Bingaman.
To stay pending cases against certain telecommunications companies and provide that such companies may not seek retroactive immunity until 90 days after the date the final report of the Inspectors General on the President's Surveillance Program is submitted to Congress.

7/8/2008:
S.AMDT.5059 Amendment SA 5059 proposed by Senator Specter.
To limit retroactive immunity for providing assistance to the United States to instances in which a Federal court determines the assistance was provided in connection with an intelligence activity that was constitutional.

7/8/2008:
S.AMDT.5064 Amendment SA 5064 proposed by Senator Dodd.
To strike title II.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

122. self-delete