Walt Disney World Fires Back Against Gun Lobby On Guns At Work

[proud2BlibKansan]

The NRA believes that Disney World employees should be allowed to keep loaded and hidden handguns on Disney's own parking lot despite the company's fervent objections. Disney World maintains, rather sensibly, that only Disney has the right to decide its own safety measures and policy around weapons on company grounds. The NRA should mind its own business.

Besides exhibiting a gross power grab over corporations and small businesses alike, the gun lobby is demonstrating the length of its radical agenda, as well its illogical public relations strategy.

Florida is one of several states, as are Oklahoma and Georgia, where the gun lobby is starting a small political war with other conservative institutions such as local and state chambers of commerce. Civic leaders, corporate executives and trade associations are supporting local, state and national companies from the gun lobby's agenda to strip businesses of their independence.

But Disney is fighting back. Disney used a provision in Florida's law to exempt employees from carrying handguns on company property by claiming that Disney uses and stores explosives and fireworks, and therefore is not subject to the gun lobby's legislation. This clever move has outraged the gun lobby.

more . . . http://www.gunguys.com/?p=3096

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. I haven't been so upset...

Since Disneyland required their employees to provide them with their social security numbers.

[Cant trust em]

2. Don't all employers require employees to provide soc. sec. numbers?

On applications and W2s and things like that?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. How dare you!

Why do you hate the 2nd amendment?!!1!?/!

[Cant trust em]

6. You should have seen me choke that bald eagle the other day.

[hogwyld]

72. Is that like chokin' yer chicken? n/t

[Cant trust em]

93. God bless America. NT

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. Yes I can't rank arming amusement park employees high on my list of priorities

[Mojorabbit]

8. I find a sort of petty satisfaction in this

because Disney runs roughshod over everything here in Central Florida. I know, it is silly but I can't help myself.

[CatWoman]

31. you're so damn funny

:hi:

:rofl:

[lpbk2713]

5. I can't help but visualizing Goofy or Pluto with a Glock under that costume.

:rofl:

[Fuzz]

24. Pull my tail one more time you little bastard, I dare you!

[jody]

7. Florida's House Bill 503 took effect 1 July 2008. IMO Disney will lose. New law link below.

http://www.flsenate.gov/data/session/2008/House/bills/billtext/pdf/h050303er.pdf

ON EDIT ADD
Disney apparently hopes to use the following clause to ban handguns.

195 (7) EXCEPTIONS.--The prohibitions in subsection (4) do not
196 apply to:
* * * * * * * * *
207 (e) Property owned or leased by a public or private
208 employer or the landlord of a public or private employer upon
209 which the primary business conducted is the manufacture, use,
210 storage, or transportation of combustible or explosive materials
211 regulated under state or federal law, or property owned or
212 leased by an employer who has obtained a permit required under
213 18 U.S.C. s. 842 to engage in the business of importing,
214 manufacturing, or dealing in explosive materials on such
215 property.

[kay1864]

36. Sorry, no way will Disney lose

It was their own lobbyists who got the "has obtained a permit" clause added. Since Disney has fireworks shows every night, they qualify.

Sneaky? Yes indeed.

[jody]

62. If the firearms were near Disney's shows, you might have a point but the firearms are restricted

to automobiles in parking lots and the policy affects customers as well as employees.

It will be impossible for customers who wish to exercise their right to bear arms for self-defense to visit Disney sites because they will not be allowed to leave them in their motor vehicles.

It will be interesting to see how Florida courts rule in this case.

If Disney wins, IMO the FL law will be changed to correct this loophole.

[kay1864]

70. See, now you're trying to bring logic into it

Whereas all Disney cares about is maintaining their internal policies.

Since their property is covered, the law doesn't apply there. So Disney is free to bar their employees from bringing guns onto the property. Including their parking lots.

As far as the FL law being corrected, Disney pays their lobbyists very well :)

Edit to add: Technically Disney could bar customers as well, but I doubt they're going to do so. Plus Disney's employee policies don't apply to their customers.

[jody]

82. If Disney does not ban customers as well as employees, I don't see how the exception I cited in #7

would be interpreted by the courts as allowing Disney to bar employees and not customers.

[kay1864]

88. Difference between law and policy

ie Disney could establish a policy barring customers from bringing guns into their parking lots. But they won't.

They do, however, ban customers from having guns in the parks themselves, irrespective of the above law. As a poster downthread points out, this is just a policy, not a law. So they can't have you arrested, but they can have you escorted off the property, just as they would for being disruptive or whatever.

Their policy on their employees is something separate--no guns in the parks, nor in the parking lots. Nothing out-of-place for a company to have one set of policies for employees, and another for customers.

[jody]

92. Disney says it will use an "exemption" in the new law to bar employees from leaving firearms in

their vehicles. IMO that exemption must be applied to both customers and employees, see #7.

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/read.aspx?id=4063

On July 1, a new Florida law will go into effect that will allow
employees with a conceal-and-carry permit to have a weapon in their
vehicle at their place of employment. This law does not apply to Walt
Disney World Co. owned and leased properties due to an exemption. This
includes all theme parks, resorts, theme park and resort parking lots,
Cast Member parking lots, administrative offices across the Walt Disney
World(r) Resort, Downtown Disney(r), Disney's Wide World of Sports
Complex, hotels on Hotel Plaza Boulevard, Celebration and the Disney
Reservation Centers (Orlando and Tampa).
        
        However, the law will apply to property owned by Reedy Creek
Improvement District, Disney's Vero Beach Resort, the Disney Cruise Line
Crew Member parking lot, the La Quinta warehouse on Orange Blossom Trail
and Disney-owned liquidation stores off property. Because this is a
Florida law, it also does not apply to Disney's Hilton Head Island
Resort. Cast Members will continue to be prohibited from removing a
weapon from their vehicle while at work. All Cast Members must comply
with the gun policies in effect at the location they are visiting,
regardless of where they work. For example, Disney's Vero Beach Cast
Members must comply with the gun policies at a Walt Disney World Co.
theme park when visiting that location.

[kay1864]

94. That totally does NOT apply to customers

Geez, read it. It specifically says "at their place of employment". Therefore it doesn't apply to customers at all.

And the exemption is because Disney has a permit for fireworks. So the conceal-and-carry law doesn't exist on Disney property.

[jody]

99. Please read FL's law at the link in #7 part of which I quote below.

(3) LEGISLATIVE INTENT; FINDINGS.--This act is intended to codify the long-standing legislative policy of the state that individual citizens have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms, that they have a constitutional right to possess and keep legally owned firearms within their motor vehicles for self defense and other lawful purposes, and that these rights are not abrogated by virtue of a citizen becoming a customer, employee, or invitee of a business entity.

[kay1864]

105. Please read the part where I said that law doesn't apply to Disney

and read my post above, which I quote below:

ie Disney could establish a policy barring customers from bringing guns into their parking lots. But they won't.

They do, however, ban customers from having guns in the parks themselves, irrespective of the above law. As a poster downthread points out, this is just a policy, not a law. So they can't have you arrested, but they can have you escorted off the property, just as they would for being disruptive or whatever.

Their policy on their employees is something separate--no guns in the parks, nor in the parking lots.

Nothing out-of-place for a company to have one set of policies for employees, and another for customers.

You keep trying to apply a law that simply doesn't apply to Disney.

Then you want Disney to apply their employee policy to customers.

Two different things.

[jody]

106. The law says "(e) 'Invitee' means any business invitee, including a customer or visitor, who is

lawfully on the premises of a public or private employer."

Disney asserts the law does not apply to it claiming an exemption under "Property owned or leased by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer upon which the primary business conducted is the manufacture, use, storage, or transportation of combustible or explosive materials regulated under state or federal law, or property owned or leased by an employer who has obtained a permit required under 18 U.S.C. s. 842 to engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in explosive materials on such property."

As I've stated, I don't believe the courts will allow Disney to use that exception against employees and not use it against invitees.

[kay1864]

107. Please stop quoting a law that doesn't apply

"(e) Invitee" is irrelevant. No matter how many times you keep quoting it. You might as well quote a South Dakota law on abortion doctors, because it doesn't apply.

The exception applies to everyone on Disney property. All that means is that a customer (or an employee) doesn't have the legal right to have a gun in their car, any more than they'd have a right in Massachusetts or anywhere else that doesn't have such a law. Effectively there is no such law on Disney property.

But that's up to the police, NOT DISNEY, to enforce.

As for the POLICY (not a law), Disney can have a policy for employees that DOES NOT apply to customers.

WHY ARE YOU MISSING THIS DISTINCTION?

The courts couldn't give a rat's ass if Disney applies one POLICY towards employees and another POLICY towards customers.

The courts also couldn't give a rat's ass if Disney fails to do something about customers with guns in their cars, because (as I pointed out), that's the police's job, not Disney's.


Try reading it slowly, because you're clearly not getting it.

[jody]

108. Have a peaceful evening and good bye. n/t

[kay1864]

111. *sigh*

I tried. Sorry you want to substitute wishes for facts. Too much of that on DU.

[proud2BlibKansan]

74. That is how the law works here where I live

Businesses are allowed to decide if they want to ban guns. They have to post a sign but they can maintain an unarmed clientele if they choose.

[jody]

78. I pointed out in #15 that the law applies only to firearms in a motor vehicle. I don't believe

businesses in your area can prevent a customer from leaving a legal firearm in a parking space either private or public.

[proud2BlibKansan]

81. Yes you are correct

We have too many scenarios going in this thread. And too many Janes :)

[jody]

85. Who's on first and I don't know is in the White House. n/t

[Jack_DeLeon]

9. Funny because its completely legal for someone to carry concealed in Disney World....

although if found out as an employee you would be fired, if you were a customer they would probably ask you to leave. However there is no law against doing so.

No metal detectors, and they only search people's bags.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. They don't have the right to ban guns on their property?

We have CCW, but the laws here say businesses can ban guns if they want.

[Recursion]

22. That doesn't make it illegal

If they find out I have a gun they can ask me to leave, but if I have a valid concealed carry permit and go onto Disneyland, I've broken no law, just their rules. I suppose if I kept doing it and getting caught they could make a trespass charge stick, but even that would be unlikely (more likely they'd just put my picture at the gate and the high school kid taking the tickets would turn me away).

[slackmaster]

23. How far does their right to dictate what you keep in your locked car go?

Serious question.

What if you want to have your legally owned gun with you for the commute to and from work?

What if you have time reserved at a shooting range after work, or before?

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. They don't have lockers at the shooting range?

They do at the one close to my house.

And if you think you need a gun on your commute to work, I don't even know how to reply to that. And I have been driving in and out of 'the hood' to and from work here in my city for nearly 30 years. Never once have I thought about carrying a gun on my commute.

Reminds me of an online conversation I had with a right winger back when Kansas was considering CCW. He lived in Missouri and said he hoped the law would pass so he could CCW when he drove across the state line to visit his parents who lived in Kansas. I asked how dysfunctional his family was if he thought he needed a gun when he went to visit his parents. That led to a discussion that lasted about 3 weeks and got several people banned from that board. Still makes me laugh when I remember it.

[Jack_DeLeon]

46. None of the ranges I've gone to had lockers...

then again I'd also never seriously consider leaving my gun locked up at some stranger's property over night or anything. I'd rather have it locked up at home or atleast in my car.

I carry most times, that includes when I'm with friends or family, not because of them but rather for their benefit. Cause I'd feel like shit if a situation happened where I could have done something to protect them but didnt. I understand I cant be with them all the times so I dont worry too much about when I'm not around since thats out of my control, but when I am around I'm willing to do whatever I can.

[slackmaster]

52. My range has gym lockers but overnight storage of firearms is not permitted

The lockers are for clothing and other personal belongings, to be kept there while you are on the range.

And if you think you need a gun on your commute to work, I don't even know how to reply to that.

I think I am not the best judge of whether or not someone else needs to carry protection in any particular circumstance.

[proud2BlibKansan]

68. And I would rather not share the road with armed commuters

[slackmaster]

75. You really don't have any say in that one

Cops, truckers, people with concealed weapons permits could be anywhere.

[proud2BlibKansan]

77. I realize that

I can only pray that there are no crazies among them. :)

[Jack_DeLeon]

115. Why limit your prayers...

it seems that law abiding gun owners are less likely to be crazy than the average person.

Cars, knives, fists, feet, blunt objects are all just as deadly as guns.

[proud2BlibKansan]

119. That kid who shot all those people in Virginia last year

Wasn't he a law abiding gun owner? He did obtain his weapons legally, didn't he?

We had a mass shooting at a shopping center here last year. A law abiding gun owner killed 6 innocent people.

I can provide lots more examples if you want.

[Joe Fields]

17. It is insanity to carry weapons into an amusement park.

[Recursion]

20. Why an amusement park in particular?

If I'm being stalked by a violent, possessive, mentally unstable ex-husband, why wouldn't I want to be able to defend myself from him at an amusement park as well as anywhere else?

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. Um, kids hang out there?

Seems fairly obvious.

Now here is a question I always want to ask you guys when you propose this 'mentally unstable people are shooting people and we can take them down if we CCW' argument: How can the rest of us innocent bystanders (and remember they would be children at an amusement park) depend on you armed folks to be good shots? I mean, what if the armed crazy person ducked and you hit someone else? After all, the armed crazy person would be anticipating what could happen and ready to take cover while the innocent bystanders are taken by surprise.

[Recursion]

39. Not obvious at all

Why does "kids hang out there" translate to "employees must be forbidden from having guns"?

Seriously, that's so blindingly obvious to you I think you're skipping past the fact that it's not remotely blindingly obvious to other people.

[proud2BlibKansan]

42. Oh come on

It's a freakin amusement park! If you are that scared of what might happen, maybe you need to stay home.

I also notice you avoided answering my question.

[Recursion]

51. She should have known better than to date an abusive guy?

And now that she has she should stay home?

[proud2BlibKansan]

69. I already answered that question

She should call the police. Get a restraining order.

Now please answer my question about the risk to innocent bystanders when you CCW and fire at an armed crazy person and miss.

[gatorboy]

80. His hobby's drunken brawls.

Just the person you'd want packing in an amusement park. :crazy:

[Jack_DeLeon]

116. Restraining orders are a joke...

a piece of paper wont stop anyone from hurting someone else if they want to, that paper certainly wont protect someone from a bullet, knife, blunt object, or strangulation.

[Indenturedebtor]

63. Well when you pull out your gun to defend yourself I'll pull out mine

Because I think you're a psychopath bent on a mass murder rampage at Disney World. Or I'll just lob a grenade at you because I have the right to bear arms. Or better yet, maybe I'll just whoop your ass with the Arm of a Bear!

[Dimensio0]

91. Who has suggested allowing the carry of firearms into an amusement park?

Please be specific.

[iamahaingttta]

10. But... but... but...

Walt's Brain might come back to life in King George's body and try to impose tyranny upon the good citizens of DisneyWorld! Only a well-armed populace can prevent that inevitable outcome of cryogenics!

:sarcasm:

[Recursion]

11. I'm on the "gun nut" side of this, but private property is private property

and in a "right to be fired"... err... "right to work" state, workers can be dismissed for any or no reason. Morally, I think an employer that demands a "gun free zone" is responsible for making sure it is actually a gun free zone, or the place ends up only being "gun free" in the sense that Columbine or Virginia Tech were.

Still, legally, Disney owns the property, and if they want to forbid guns on it I don't see what anybody can do to stop them.

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. I am not very comfortable with the idea of armed employees

at a children's amusement park.

So I guess the bigger question is why do these employees think they need guns? Are we getting the whole story here?

[Recursion]

14. We're not talking about the guy playing Goofy packing

Nobody, anywhere, is saying Disney can't decide what the people dealing with the public can and can't have on their person. We're talking about Jane who works in receiving way backstage and who has a violent and abusive ex-husband who stalks her and leaves dead cats on her door and has explicitly made threats against her life, prompting her to apply for an receive a concealed-carry permit. Why do you want her to die?

[Skittles]

16. why isn't that guy in jail?

and your stupid question makes you sound like a rightwing whackjob

[Recursion]

18. My stupid question was an attempt at humor

As to why he's not in jail, ask the florida judges who seem to think that domestic violence isn't a problem until a woman ends up in the morgue.

[proud2BlibKansan]

26. Links?

[Recursion]

38. You really need links to prove that battered women are ignored....

....by the judicial system in this country?

[proud2BlibKansan]

40. Yes

Because as I stated in a previous post, when a co-worker of mine was threatened the cops protected her. We also have a very aggressive domestic violence policy here where I live. If the cops are called, they have to arrest someone. And judges are very willing to write restraining orders.

I know that ignoring battered women USED TO BE a problem, but is it still?

[Recursion]

43. I'll leave you in this happy imaginary world

Are you happy the supreme court overturned VAWA, too?

[proud2BlibKansan]

45. And i will leave you in your I am so paranoid I can't go out in public without a gun world

:hi:

[Recursion]

48. You can. I can. Not everybody is as lucky as us

I haven't been stalked by an obsessive violent person who weighs twice as much as me and has threatened my life, but some of my friends have. I don't think they're "paranoid" for arming themselves, and I still think that's very insensitive to victims of domestic violence.

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. Why doesn't Jane call the police?

Surely Disney has security and will help her out (like maybe walking her to and from her car). We had a similar situation with one of the teachers at my school several years ago. The district provided extra security and cops watched our parking lot as she came and left work. Eventually her ex was arrested for violating the restraining order. All accomplished without any bullets fired.

[Recursion]

41. Will they escort her all the way home? Are the rent-a-cops armed?

If they won't escort her all the way home, why can't she keep the handgun locked away in her car? What will she do if her ex-husband attacks her when she gets out of her car at home?

And if the rent-a-cops are armed, why can't she be armed? Do you know any rent-a-cops? Are they really more trustworthy than Jane from Receiving? And if they aren't armed, how will they stop her husband from killing her?

[proud2BlibKansan]

44. Our security people are armed

I can't speak for Disney's.

Now what if a lion escapes from the zoo and attacks Jane while she is walking to her front door?

What if she is struck by lightning tomorrow?

Life is full of what ifs. Those stories don't help the argument.

[Recursion]

47. So, a three-week training course and brass badge...

...suddenly make you trust someone to carry a firearm around children?

Authoritarian, much?

[proud2BlibKansan]

71. How do you know they had a 3 week training course?

You don't. You also don't know where I work or what the training is that is required. You also don't know that the security officers who work in our district region are mostly retired cops. And yes, I trust cops to carry a firearm around children.

And the authoritarian attitude is on your side, not mine. You advocate arming people. That's pretty authoritarian.

[Recursion]

73. Dream on. It's the opposite of authoritarian

You trust the police to be armed but not "normal" people. Hell, you even trust rent-a-cops to be armed.

Give somebody a badge and he gets your trust. That's authoritarianism.

[awoke_in_2003]

65. "Why doesn't Jane call the police?"

Because in most places in this country, cops are only good for writing speeding tickets, arresting 71 year old protesters, and eating donuts.

[slackmaster]

21. This has nothing to do with armed employees at an amusement park mingling with children

It's about the right to privacy in the space inside of your car.

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. Which is parked on private property

[slackmaster]

29. The question comes down to whether or not what you keep in your car is their business

Since the SC has clarified that individuals do indeed have the right to own personal firearms, keeping a handgun hidden in your locked car is parallel to you keeping in your car reading material that someone else might find offensive. Like porn.

[hogwyld]

86. But when you enter another's private property

(Disney's) you are expected to abide by their rules. Nobody is making the gun owners go to Disney. They are free to stay away if they value their gun that much. Either abide by their rules, or stay home. It's really that simple.

[Wizard777]

67. That at will employment not right to work state. In right to work states you must show just cause.

But Private property is private property. The cars of gun owners is also private property. Disney doesn't anyone usurping their private property rights so they can usurp the private property rights of their slaves er um employees.

[jody]

15. New FL law applies ONLY to firearms inside cars in a parking lot: “any legally owned firearm that is

lawfully possessed and locked inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot”.

[slackmaster]

19. If your employer said you couldn't keep a copy of Hustler magazine hidden in your locked car...

...Would you think it had the right to do that?

You aren't exposing kids to it or reading it on the job. It's just kept in the private space of your locked car.

[proud2BlibKansan]

28. How many people has that Hustler magazine killed?

[slackmaster]

30. I don't believe that question is relevant

A gun locked up in your car isn't going to kill anyone either.

Do you have the right to privacy in the interior of your car, or don't you?

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. And I think the larger issue is Disney's desire to provide a safe environment

for all their customers, especially the children. Do they have the right to ban guns (or anything) from their property?

[slackmaster]

49. We have identified the rights that seem to be in conflict

But we don't have a clear answer.

[Recursion]

54. Eh, I think Disney's interest overrides here

And to take your Hustler analogy, yes, I do think ultimately an employer could say that if they owned the parking lot.

So, like so many business decisions: idiotic, but lacking anything by way of a legal remedy.

[slackmaster]

64. I just want to say that a difference of opinion doesn't make me like you or proud2Blib less

:hi:

I know you mean well. I hope you recognize that I do too.

[proud2BlibKansan]

66. No we don't

Honestly I see nothing wrong with a gun locked in a trunk. But how would that help Jane if her husband is stalking her? Even if it was in her locked car, how would that gun help her as she walked to and from the car?

[slackmaster]

76. Those are two completely separate issues

Jane isn't an employee, she's a customer. Or maybe not. I haven't followed that part.

[proud2BlibKansan]

79. Now you guys are changing the story!

Jane works in receiving at Disney. Are you bringing up another Jane? Can we at least refer to them as Jane 1 and Jane 2? :)

[slackmaster]

83. Jane in receiving probably gets such piss-poor wages she can't afford a gun anyway

Jane, stop this crazy thing!

[proud2BlibKansan]

84. LOL!

:rofl:

[LSK]

97. well when the owner unlocks his car and gets it

It can kill people.

What the hell is so hard to understand about that?

[slackmaster]

102. I have a hard time understanding why you believe a rule against guns in cars

Would prevent that kind of thing from happening.

[exothermic]

33. The same number as the guns in the parking lot have.

...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. You can't keep a hustler in your locker at work.

That's sexual harassment.

So why should you be able to have a gun?

[Jack_DeLeon]

50. Your car is your own private property...

not a locker inside of work.

You should be able to keep anything that is legal in your own car.

[slackmaster]

57. There you have it

You should be able to keep anything that is legal in your own car.

I think my employer has it right. I can't bring a bottle of liquor into the building without specific permission, but I can keep one in my car. With a gun the same should apply (and in fact it does here). A man was fired from here several years ago for having a handgun in his desk drawer, but if he had kept it in his car he would not have been in violation of the policy.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

89. So is the Hustler in question.

So is their parking lot.

[slackmaster]

53. Goalpost move

The conversation concerns personal items stored in a personal vehicle parked on the employer's property.

I would bet that Disney prohibits Hustler magazine in the lunch room. Would they fire someone for keeping one under the seat of his car?

[LSK]

96. copys of Hustler magazine kill people???

Amazing.

[slackmaster]

103. A gun sitting in a locked car is just as likely to kill someone as a copy of Hustler

Seriously.

[PVnRT]

55. Man, there are some paranoid people in this thread

[LSK]

98. you never know when Donald Duck will be your long lost ex stalking you

:crazy:

[Hugabear]

101. You gotta be ready to bust a cap in some mofo's ass at a moment's notice!

Is that some psycho ex stalker I see? Ain't got no time to waste calling the cops to arrest his ass. BAM, he's dead!

Oh wait, that wasn't the psycho ex, was it? It was just some guy who kinda looked like him. Oh well. My bad.

[slackmaster]

104. Yes, they are afraid that someone who plans to go to do some target practice after work

Is going to just snap and start shooting up the park.

[marmar]

56. Remind me not to cut in line at Space Mountain.....

:scared:

[proud2BlibKansan]

87. LOL!!

And I decided not to even go to Disney World. I am too freaked out by Jane's violent ex husband.

[orleans]

58. ironic ain't it. isn't disney a big gop supporter? n/t

[slackmaster]

59. Not entirely

http://www.apgf.org/disneylandgayday.htm

[lpbk2713]

60. Disney is part of ABC.

The network that tried more than once to find a niche in its lineup for OxyRush Limbaugh (Junkie Pedophile).

Next question?




Ed to add: Actually Disney is the parent corporation. I should have phrased that differently.

[Wizard777]

61. Disney world is far more than a corporation. They are also the local government.

Disney World has a Florida Township. So they do have some governmental power to regulate guns in their locality.

[jody]

90. Poll - Guns at Disney? (Orlando Sentinel) 18K pro-RKBA v. 4 K gun-grabbers.

ON EDIT
Correct link
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-disneyguns0308jul03,0,197883.story

[proud2BlibKansan]

95. Or you could say

18K not concerned with the safety of kids in amusement parks
4k protecting kids

Here's the deal - I don't want to grab your gun. I have no problem with you being able to own a gun and carry it. I just don't want you to bring it to public places if there are children there. I also would ask you not to bring it into my house and I would expect you to respect that request.

But to call people like me "gun grabbers" is just way over the top. And it doesn't help us have a civil conversation.

[jody]

100. Another view, 18K concerned with the safety of kids on the way to amusement parks and 4K not worried

about the safety of kids on the way to amusement parks.

One should not forget that the new FL law protects an individual's RKBA whether that person is a "customer, employee, or invitee of a business entity" such as Disney in this instance.

Thanks for starting this thread, I'm sure there will be many more such threads on DU now that SCOTUS said in Heller that our Constitution protects the individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.

:hi:

[gatorboy]

110. "On the way to the amusement park."

Into to drive-bys, are ya? :rofl:

[jody]

112. Why laugh at law-abiding citizens who wish to exercise their right to bear arms for self-defense

while traveling from their home to other destinations?

What has me :rofl: is how a small minority of people in these United States cannot understand that the overwhelming majority of people support the individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.

For those who claim to be Democrats, I encourage them to read the Democratic Party platform that says "We will protect Americans' Second Amendment right to own firearms", a position that a once gun-grabber named Obama has finally accepted by saying “I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms”.

I pity recalcitrant gun-grabbers, it's going to be very lonely fighting a battle to destroy the natural, inherent, inalienable/unalienable right to keep and bear arms for self-defense that has already been lost with the SCOTUS decision in D.C. v. Heller.

[minavasht]

113. Can you tell me

how kids change people?
According to you, I can carry a gun safely, but if a kid is present, I'll suddenly turn into homicidal zombie and start shooting left and right?
How do the kids work - at what range do they start to affect human mind, what is a safe distance - 10 feet, 50 feet, 100 feet?
Does it matter what age are they? Are 2 6-year old kids as dangerous as 3 4-year old ones, or it depends on their weight? What is the critical mass?

[proud2BlibKansan]

118. As soon as you can guarantee

that everyone who CCWs will never accidentally shoot an innocent person, then I will personally join your crusade.

In the meantime, put your own kids in a public place with strangers carrying concealed weapons. And don't forget you cannot arm them since they are under age.

[MasonJar]

109. Two of the biggest PUG organizations taking each other on. I hope they

strangle on each other.

[Redneck Socialist]

114. Yeah, 'cause corporations aught to be able to tell you what you can keep in your car.

Great idea.



:sarcasm: (unfortunately this is probably necessary)

[SahaleArm]

117. Disney owns the land in question.

If you don't like their rules don't go on their property. It is not illegal for them to search your car as a condition of you parking on their property. It is not illegal for them to not let you on their property because you have a weapon in your car.

The 2nd amendment only applies to suppression by the government (Federal and State) not to contracts with private property owners. Ever looked at the contract on the back of a ticket to a baseball game or an amusement park? They can boot you out for anything other than skin color, sex, and certain protected categories. Bearing arms is not a protected category, the current supreme court will uphold this view. Disney will win - next question.